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#1 idoleo2001

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:39 PM

Hi! I'm making a "Take Off & Landing Performance Tool Sheet B737-800 CFM56-7B26" (http://forum.avsim.n...03/page__st__50).In MS Excel 2010 i have a sheet with almost paremeters request for Dispatch a flight (speeds, weights and associated data for departure and landing).I see in FMC that there is info for take off performance with 27k thrust, however in FCOM 1 there is not information for this thrust configuration; is there any additional data that we don't have available?Additionally i have a important question about performance dispatch:- In FCOM 1, PD.30.1 to PD.30.10 there is information about Take Off Field Corrections, considering runway condition (dry or wet), slope, winds &pressure altitude, but all the information shows Flaps 5 configuration; the question is: we need more data for another flaps take off configuration? or the field limit weight / climb limit weight are not depend of flaps configuration?Thanks!!
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#2 idoleo2001

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:50 PM

It is interesting too that there is not data performance difference for Winglet aircraft option.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:26 PM

Take-off performance difference between wingleted and non-wingleted planes is negligent. It is in higher speeds where winglets show their place.
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#4 idoleo2001

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 03:08 PM

Thanks for the aclaration, but i was think that aircraft with winglets can be carried more weight, this will be needed reflect in takeoff data or not?

Take-off performance difference between wingleted and non-wingleted planes is negligent. It is in higher speeds where winglets show their place.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:38 PM

I am not aware of that, not in 737, but I might be wrong.
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#6 idoleo2001

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 12:02 PM

I have the answers now: there is "FLIGHT PLANNING AND PERFORMANCE MANUAL (FPPM)"; in this documents appears all graphics performance for all the aircraft configurations (737-800, -800W, -800WSFP, and with engine variations).We have in FCOM information for standard 737-800, and with tipical takeoff configuration (flaps 5).I thinl that PMDG won't like overload us with dozens of manuals with thousand pages.Thanks!
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Posted 15 January 2012 - 04:26 PM

The FPPM is usually not a pilot-manual, but rather a dispatcher-manual, just as AMM is not a pilot-manual but a mechanic-manual. That explains why it is not included. Even real pilots dont use it. They have either dispatchers, or programs to cmopute, or a book with tables for each runway in network pre-computed.
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#8 idoleo2001

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 06:47 PM

The FPPM is usually not a pilot-manual, but rather a dispatcher-manual, just as AMM is not a pilot-manual but a mechanic-manual. That explains why it is not included. Even real pilots dont use it. They have either dispatchers, or programs to cmopute, or a book with tables for each runway in network pre-computed.

Thanks for the information!
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#9 vadriver

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:34 AM

peter / israel / otherscan you tell me where i can get a copy of relevant FPPM's for the 800 & 900 aircraft !
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:28 PM

Hi. Oficially only in Boeing or dispatchers of comercial airliners.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:29 PM

No links to FPPMs here please - will not be tolerated. Boeing specifically didn't allow us to include it with the product.
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#12 Jetstream96

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 05:52 AM

It's strange that there are only flaps 5 charts in FCOM.
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#13 vadriver

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:47 AM

Boeing specifically didn't allow us to include it with the product.

ryani am a tad confused ... the PMDG provided FCOM Volume 1 includes a substantial part of an FFPM but as david mentioned only for the flaps 5 setting at 26k thrust in the case of the 738/9.to provide the same for other flap settings & for the derated 24 & 22k thrusts would make a complete & hence useable (which it isn't at the moment) document !!
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 07:15 AM

The FCOM data is for pilot reference (or if the dispatcher calls in sick :( ) only, so only basic data is included in the Flight Crew Operating Manual.
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