Question about FMS with NG

[Guest]

Hello, I would like to inquire if the NG FMS supports flight plan programming independent of the FS9 flight planner (can I enter a random plan via the keypad)?Are victor and jet route airways programmable in the NG FMS?Can I reprogram the FMS in flight with new waypoints and a change in destination?Does the NG FMS support Direct TO waypoint functions?Can Lat/Long coordinates (user defined waypoints) be added to any flightplan?Does the NG FMS display flap setting and V-speeds?____________Thanks!

[crvm 0]

Yes to all your questions...[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smith [/4]P M D G 7 3 7 NG[/h4]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/mineimage.jpg [h3] Realism on the horizon AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

[Guest Ian_Riddell]

"Yes to all your questions..."In 999/1000 cases, that is.... I still haven't figured out why mine's not allowing me to enter anything on the LEGS page after booting up the sim in flight, Randy ;-)BTW, on a similar subject, is the fact that I can't enter an airport ICAO as a waypoint on the LEGS page (at any time) a result of a faulty (non-PMDG) database or is PMDG not programmed to read ICAO's in databases? I was able to enter an airport code on a Classic FMC the other day, so I'm assuming it should be possible on an NG (I know... never AssUMe :-)).Also, on a Smiths FMC, is it possible to enter waypoints on the LEGS page without first selecting Departure/Arrival Airports on the ROUTE page? (I've been off work for several weeks and can't check for myself).Thanks!Cheers.Ian.

[Guest amerton]

Ian,From what I read in the manuals, I guess not.Proper sequence is inputing dep and arr airports, and from then on you can enter wpts on the rte/legs page.But then the manuals state that you cannot change the departure in flight... chicken and egg thing...I have not programmed the FMC to accept airport ids as wpts. This can be changed if needed (but is it needed... ?).anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

[crvm 0]

I have not programmed the FMC to accept airport ids as wpts. This can be changed if needed (but is it needed... ?). Hey Anthony, better question is, IF you can do that on the real FMC, why not here hehe =)[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smith [/4]P M D G 7 3 7 NG[/h4]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/mineimage.jpg [h3] Realism on the horizon AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

[Guest amerton]

that's the point !Can one do it ???? ;-)anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

[Guest Ian_Riddell]

"I have not programmed the FMC to accept airport ids as wpts. This can be changed if needed (but is it needed... ?)."I'll let you know, Anthony. I know QF have Company Routes on their 767/747-400 fleet which include airport ICAO entries at the start/end of their routes (as seen on the LEGS and ROUTE pages, but I haven't yet confirmed if our 737's have this.E.g.SYDPER008.......YSSYDIR.....WOLH68......CBJ142....BORQ172..TUNAAQ76.....ESPJ68......PHDIR....YPPHI was trying to find one of our routes with the waypoint "PRAWN" in it, for extra effect, but no such luck :-)Having the ICAO code, I've read, can improve fuel predictions when there are, say, no VOR's located close to the airport. If it is too hard to program, don't bother... The Honeywell FMC, at least, removes these entries automagically when you enter DEP/ARR's. This could complicate the logic too much(?).Thanks.Cheers.Ian.

[Guest CFM56_5b]

Hi Anthony,Just came back from burning some kerosene so I will try to be awake while asnwering."But then the manuals state that you cannot change the departure in flight..." - I find this interesting since the FMC I am familiar with on 737NG allows entry for origin on RTE page for ANY phase of flight. Directly from the AOM: "Entry is allowed for all phases of flight. Entry of a new origin erases the previous route."BUT, and I repeat BUT, entry for the company route (i.e. CO ROUTE) is inhibited inflight.Regarding the use of Airport in the TO on the RTE page. It IS possible to use it. Of course it is for DIRECT route segment where valid inputs are: any valid waypoint, fix, navaid, AIRPORT and RUNWAY.So in short:* On RTE page ORIGIN *can* be altered in ANY phase of flight* On RTE page CO ROUTE entry is INHIBITED inflight* ON RTE page in the TO field airports CAN be entered (will show DIRECT in VIA field) and runways can also be intered in the TO field.If this was too fuzzy blame it on my daily doses of kerosene! :-badteethOff to rest and prepare body for the new jet fuel ammount.

[crvm 0]

Directly from the AOM: "Entry is allowed for all phases of flight. Entry of a new origin erases the previous route." Anthony, U10.3 and later 737NG-OPSMNL page 1207, bottom of page, He is correct, but left out an important fact, it's an OPTION, not standard...[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smith [/4]P M D G 7 3 7 NG[/h4]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/mineimage.jpg [h3] Realism on the horizon AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

[Guest amerton]

Ah ! An option... I was afraid I missed something ;-)Thanks for keeping me up to date. I don't currently have the docs with me !anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

[Guest CFM56_5b]

Hi Randy,You are correct! :)As I said I was sniffing to much of that jet fuel so I *forgot* to mention that :-badteethBut do not forget about the possibility to enter airports and runway in RTE page (TO field)Some low flying (and speeding) clouds here north - the joys of flight in north europe, never know if there is RASH or CAVOK within 15min :)

[crvm 0]

Hello Aleksandar! You mention the RTE page for ICAO entries but what about en-route on the LEGS page for modifcations? Thanks! [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smith [/4]P M D G 7 3 7 NG[/h4]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/mineimage.jpg [h3] Realism on the horizon AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

[Guest amerton]

;-)Yes, PRAWN... you have TUNAA there already...Is WOL Wollongong ? Let me know, on both accounts !anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

[Guest Ian_Riddell]

Hi, Anthony.Yep, WOL is Wollongong (easy part). :-)Re the entry of ICAO codes... and the necessity to do so (this may take a bit longer as photos are required).I entered an official QF Co Route on the Route page of a Classic 737 with a U10.5 ops program and I got the following:http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737/CoRoute.jpgSo yes, it would be a "nice to have" ;-) The ICAO also appeared on the Legs page as expected.When I was first using the FMC, I noticed that, although I hadn't entered any details on the Route page, there were already two Route Pages. The Route pages looked like this...http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737/RoutePage1of2.jpg...and....http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737/RoutePage2of2.jpgI recall that the latter page would not accept any entries however (but I will double check this)The Legs page looked like this....http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737/LegsPage.jpgSo clearly this would not accept any entries either (at this point)...as there are no spaces provided.Just one more thing.... I confirmed what your pilot friends said about being able to reset the FMC Master Annunciator using the CLR key after its illumination by the appearance of one of the following scratchpad messages (according to the NG manuals):FMC Alert Msg ListCYCLE IRS OFF-NAVDATA BASE INVALIDDISCO INSRTD AFTR XXXXXDISCONTINUITYEND OF OFFSETEND OF ROUTEENTER IRS POSITIONINSUFFICIENT FUELIRS MOTIONIRS NAV ONLYLNAV BANK ANGLE LIMITEDMAX ALT FL XXXMISSED CAPTUREMODEL ENGINE DATA INVALIDNAV DATA OUT OF DATENAV INVALID-TUNE XXXXXOVERSPEED DISCONNECTPERF DEFAULTS INVALIDRTA UNACHIEVABLESCANNING DME FAILSELECT MODE AFTER RTASINGLE FMC OPERATIONTAKEOFF SPEEDS DELETEDUNABLE HOLD AIRSPACEUNABLE NEXT ALTUNABLE REQD NAV PERF-RNPVERIFY GW AND FUELVERIFY POSITIONVERIFY RNPVERIFY TAKEOFF SPEEDSVNAV DISCONNECTThis totally contradicts the 737NG Boeing Wiring Diagrams and Schematics, however! The experts are looking into it at the moment. Hopefully Boeing will rectify their drawings as a result of conversations over a U$40 something flightsim :-lolI don't know if this helps (as the FMC belonged to a Classic and has a different Ops program to PMDG's).Cheers.Ian.

[crvm 0]

ust one more thing.... I confirmed what your pilot friends said about being able to reset the FMC Master Annunciator using the CLR key after its illumination by the appearance of one of the following scratchpad messages (according to the NG manuals): This is funny cause I just located this on the 700 CBT but not in the place I expected, it was discussed under the CDU General Operation hehe, at least I know the CBT agrees ;)[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]