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Load Manager in FS2k2

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Fellow pilots,After flying the 700 on my own for a few weeks (thnaks to Fred and Timothy fot their great tutorials) I decided to put some pax in by using the load manager. However, loading the NG is not that simple. I suffered extreme pith-problems. Searching the forum showed me, that weight and balance is extremely important in order to load the plane properly. I tried various times but couldn't find the right answers.Is there anyone who has a "load schedule" which allows me to seat 140 pax with the correct amount of cargo?Thanks and regards,Michel

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Thanks Craig. Will hopefully be fixed with the upcoming Service Update.Regards,Michel

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Captains-in order for me to fix something, I must know what's busted. I just tried the Load Manager for Fs2002 again and its behaviour was as expected.Is there something in your settings that's affecting its ability to READ the data from the aircraft.cfg file, perhaps?Please attach your aircraft.cfg so I can see and try debug this.

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Lefteris,Concerning the load manager. When you set a load should the ZFW change in the aircraft.cfg file?I ask because last time I looked the ZFW had not chnaged from the default value, I think this was true in both FS2k2 and FS9.ThanksDave

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Lefteris,See CFG file attached (the plain 700 version). Please note that the file is based on no pax/cargo.Thanks and regards,Michel

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Lefteris,Attaxhed file seems to have vanished somehow. PLease find below the weight and balance section from the CFG file.Regards,Michel===================================================[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]reference_datum_position= 52.730, 0.000, 2.120empty_weight_CG_position=-48.170, 0.000, 0.000max_number_of_stations=50empty_weight=83000.000empty_weight_roll_MOI=1411540.000empty_weight_pitch_MOI=1821510.000empty_weight_yaw_MOI=1518876.000empty_weight_coupled_MOI=230.000//station_load.0=0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000//max_gross_weight=153500.000CG_forward_limit=0.133CG_aft_limit=0.330[fuel]Center1= -44.870, 0.000, -2.800, 4299.000, 0.000LeftMain= -51.380, -16.000, -0.800, 1288.000, 0.000RightMain=-51.380, 16.000, -0.800, 1288.000, 0.000fuel_type=2.000000number_of_tank_selectors=1

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Michel-this is after the fact.Can you start with our original aircraft.cfg and see if the Load Manager will screw it up? It shouldn't really, but if it does, I'd like reproducible steps please so I can duplicate the behaviour and locate the culprit.Thanks

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Lefteris,Not sure whether I understood your remark. The original CFG-file after the installation of your package, I cannot send you. However I can send the contents of the file after adding pax/cargo. Please inform me what you need to look into it.Regards,Michel

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Ignore this post, I now see where the load weight is changed in the aircraft.cfg file and the CG coordinate seems to remain constant.Dave

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LefterisI'll give this a test on my FS2002/Win ME system later on today. I must admit that I haven't experienced a problem with the Load Manager myself, but after reading Bob Scott's posting I simply assumed there must be a problem. Never assume, always test...

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Dear Michel-as I said, the contents of the aircraft.cfg file after you've added pax/cargo (and consequently, after it's been screwed up) are quite useless, as they only indicate that the problem has happened. I'd like to see the aircraft.cfg file BEFORE the problem, so I can possibly duplicate it on my end. If that's not possible, I'd like other users to chip in if they also experience a problem.It may very well be something that's localized on your machine (regional settings?)

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Dear Lefteris,The CFG information given by me in previous post was before adding pax and cargo. Because with pax/cargo the plane bumped with her nose up and down in the air. That's why I used the load manager to empty the plane again. To avoid misunderstanding, please find below the "weight and balance" section of the CFG-file without pax/cargo. Please note I use the Dutch configuration with a comma for decimals (in case this is useful information for you to determin the cause). If there is more needed, just let me know.Regards,Michel======================================[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]reference_datum_position= 52.730, 0.000, 2.120empty_weight_CG_position=-48.170, 0.000, 0.000max_number_of_stations=50empty_weight=83000.000empty_weight_roll_MOI=1411540.000empty_weight_pitch_MOI=1821510.000empty_weight_yaw_MOI=1518876.000empty_weight_coupled_MOI=230.000//station_load.0=0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000//max_gross_weight=153500.000CG_forward_limit=0.133CG_aft_limit=0.330

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Isn't adding pax/cargo simply modify the values?It does not care what the previous values were.So I assume he set some passengers and cargo, and that was his aircraft.cfgIf those values are incorrect then the load manager is not saving them properly.

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No problems with the Load Manager in FS2002 in my case. In the following screenshot the original aircraft.cfg is on the left, the modified file obtained after using the Load Manager is on the right. As Lefteris stated only the load itself has been modified (ignoring insignificant whitespace changes).http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/40076.jpg

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Craig,Just "fooled around" with the load manager (2002) and checked the stats in the aircraft file. All figures on your picture match with mine however the station_load is quite different. This is what I get:700 "single" with no pax/cargo://station_load.0=0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000//700 "single" with 140 pax, fw cargo 3050 and aft cargo 3300//station_load.0=31550.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000//Unfortunately I cannot interpret the figures. Can you (or one of the others of course) tell me whether the figures in the CFG file are correct with above mentioned settings?Thanks again,Michel

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MichelI assume you know that the first number is the station load in pounds, and that the station load is the total weight of your passengers and cargo. The remaining three numbers (I'm guessing) seem to be the (X, Y, Z) coordinates of the centre of gravity of the station load, relative to some origin the location of which I know not. I don't know this for sure, its just a guess - maybe somebody else could cast more light on the matter.BTW, I don't know why your coordinates are (0, 0, 0) but I believe these values lead to control problems due to the CoG being outside limits. I would say that you should have a value of around -48 for the first of these coordinates, but I don't know for sure if this is right.Anyone else?

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Craig and Michel-(as I explained to Michel in a private email exchange) - that's exactly it. The (X,Y,Z) coordinates in his aircraft.cfg seem to have been overwritten because he's using a localized Windows XP, where the comma is replacing the period as the decimal point delimeter.This is a known issue and has been fixed for the upcoming Service Update. Meanwhile, please switch to using the period as the decimal point (and update your aircraft.cfg station_load.0 line to have the numbers shown above).Cheers,

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This is all very confusing.Can someone explain in very simple terms what we have to do. I made the mistake of using the load editor and now can't get her in the air. This is very frustrating. I've spent two hours fiddling and trying to read the forums with no luck.

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