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Yes Glen yr plan is much better than mine!!Just one last and add question out of topic if it s not asking too much ,do you know on which map i could locate thoses points: BD011 BD090 BD040 BD060 BD035 ? i just cant find them either on approach or final charts and i do not even have their coordonates,they are just showed on the FMC rte page and on the MCP ND,the only one i can see on approach chart is BD002 along LMG4 ,they are part of my first flt pln and i m just curious to locate them . Yvon

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Yvon,Glen's earlier suggestion about not entering SIDs and STARs at the beginning in case the runway changes is fine (and the right way to do it) but when I was first learning this bird, i found it a lot easier to dispense with ATC and the weather and just concentrate on planning the flight in the easiest way without the complication of trying to change something in flight when I didn't fully understand what I was doing. Just a suggestion - its a good way of learning the fmc.

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Hello Dave, Yes your suggestion is fine and your are quite right especially if your are flying this aicraft alone.You happen to see unexpected messages on the fmc during the flight and you get so busy i souhd rather say busy to understand things that atc will comme much later and i regret nothing as far as i ve heard that this option is filled with huge surprises too,so, really ,i believe i have plenty enough to deal with at present time . Yvon

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Need to clear up my point about the SID...When you export a SID using FSBUILD it tends to send the data as individual (and sometimes very wrong) waypoints rather than a SID so I prefer to export just the simple route info in the middle and allow the FMC to use it's own data for the SIDs and STARs.A lot of SIDs and STARs in FSBUILD have odd waypoints in that are a million miles away from where you need to be. Just use them as a guide to know where to start planning your route but don't include them.Yvon, can you re-word your question about the waypoints that you can't find? I didn't understand, sorry.Glen

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I'm not sure I understand why, but I regularly get "not in database" errors when trying to input a fsbuild flightplan into any fmc (pmdg/lds767/MD-82/ATR). Usually, a check of fsnav suggests that the fsbuild waypoint is not on the suggested airway. I'm not sure which program is correct, but this occurs notwithstanding that each is using the same, up-to-date navdata.Jeff

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Hello Jeff, Yes i happened to meet what you describe.I'm using fsbuild 2 since only few weeks but i ve already noticed lots of anomalies of this kind and i am a bit dissapointed.I find route finder more reliable but charting in my opinion has not enough datas to show. Yvon

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Hi Glen, Well i become very half hearted in using fsbuild!!to try to clarify what i was saying in my previous interrogation that there are points i cant localize on charting along star LMG4 ;the approach map well shows points Marre- Chala and BD002 and the map BOD cat II Lctr ILS Rwy 23 point VAGNA but those add points that fmc shows such as BD011- BD090 -BD040- BD060- BD035 i m really just unable to locate them . Yvon

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Dear All,To save a whole heap of trouble fly the aeroplane the way Bill Boeing designed it .. no FSBuild required.Build the route into the FMC and then save it if you want to do it again at a later date. We do it this way all the tme IRL.Rgds,

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Hi Brad, Thank you for your interesting message. Yvon

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Hi Yvon,Not sure if you are taking the 'p' outta me or not but even if so no worries :DSometimes I may be a little less than tolerant of ppl sniping at a sim that I consider good enough to base a training business on for real world NG drivers.IMVHO the PMDG sim is so good it needs no add-ons. It works just like the real thing and if you want to learn how it is done in a real B737-800 then do it the hard way.Anything else reduces this great sim to just another game and not what I call it these days and that is an 'emulator' = one step up from a simulator.ATB,

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:-) Well Brad,this is not so long ago that i fly with PMDG which i find of much more interest that FS 9 b 737-400 but of course this means i meet lots of difficulties of any kind so i find it highly valuable to read opinions and advices of all of you and i appreciate to receive them.Yes again i agree with you i rather like to use the term emulator than simulator and this also comes as an additional reward for all those who work hard to elaborate such fabulous programs . Yvon

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>Sometimes I may be a little less than tolerant of ppl sniping>at a sim that I consider good enough to base a training>business on for real world NG drivers.Who was sniping? I think it's top notch, as add-on aircraft go I will fly nothing else. I don't remeber anyone on here sniping at the product and if they do they don't stay on this forum for very long before they get shot down.>Anything else reduces this great sim to just another game and>not what I call it these days and that is an 'emulator' = one>step up from a simulator.How do you run PMDG 737-800 without FS9? The PMDG product is just an add-on to the very advanced Microsoft Base Programme (if you don't think it's very advanced then you should go back to early incarnations of MS Flightsim products and then you'll see!!!, just try to run a PMDG quality aircraft on FS98)And one final point......FSBUILD is a very capable 'stand alone' product which allows people to plan flights from one place to another. It includes the latest airways and restrictions for their use. It allows you to plan a flight to include all the waypoints on route without the need to purchase route maps and charts. I'm sure in real life you do not plan what route you are going to take whilst in the cockpit but that someone will tell you where to go and what to type in. That someone in this case is FSBUILD2. Please don't snipe at this product for no reason.Glen Lee

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