UA895, Take 2

[Brian Doney 127]

Well, I've been tweaking and testing an FSBuild profile, and I'm gonna go ahead and give it another shot.

FLT REL IFR UAL895   KORD-32L/VHHH-25L  MACH 86  A/C  B747-400 LR BIAS		   FUEL  TIME	CORR   TOGWT	LDGWT   AVG W/CTAXI	  001602 0018  . . . .  831812   479276  M009DEST VHHH 352536 1517  . . . .  ELEV. 19 FTRESV	  012480 0045  . . . .ALTN	  004368 0015  . . . .  ALTN VMMC   DIST  19HOLD	  008320 0030  . . . .EXTRA	 000000 0000  . . . .  ZFW 454108	  PAYLOAD 060020TTL AT TO 377704 1647  . . . .				  DIST  7074REQD	  379306 1705  . . . .				  ETD   1725CLB BIAS 0.0%  CRZ BIAS 4.0%   DSC BIAS 0.0%DEP BIAS 0 MIN 0 DIST 0 FUEL, ARR BIAS 0 MIN 500 FUELKORD BAE J68 GEP J36 FAR MOT J483 VLN J475 YWV NCA11 REMBY NCA11 YESKA J133 ANC NODLE R220 NEONN G349 MARCC G583 BISIV G583 MVE V8 SPE V2 HWE V30 JEC V54 HKC A1 APU A1 HLG A1 ELATO ASTRA VHHH/1517

It seems, for an extreme range flight like this, there's no way around using a good dose of CRZ BIAS, the compromise being, this gives fuel figures a bit on the heavy side for shorter routes, by a few 1000 lbs. It may end up being the case, that two or three profiles may be needed, depending on flight duration.If this goes well, and there's anyone else around here that's willing to test it out on a 5-7,000NM hop :), I'd like to ask for a bit of help testing it out. In addition to the CRZ BIAS change, a pretty heavily modifed version of the PMDG.prf file is included.I shouldn't get ahead of myself though, I have a good 17 hours before I'll know one way or the other.Wish me luck.

[Brian Doney 127]

So far so good:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/149956.jpg

[Vampire_NZ 0]

Looks good so far. If you'd like some assistance with testing, let me know. I've been flying a few 12 to 13 hour flights across the Pacific lately and would be more than happy to help out.

[Brian Doney 127]

David,I'd be glad for the help, I just want to make sure I won't be wasting your time first :) Once I'm sure this will be worth your time, I'll send you a PM here.Looking really good so far though:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/149961.jpgI did pick up about 4700lbs of destination fuel remaining in the climb. FSBuild only allows you to set a climbout profile based on a single weight, and with the weight range of the 744, it'll be impossible to nail that down in a single profile, and it does make a huge difference across the spectrum.As of now it's set for a climbout based on a MTOW takeoff, which is probably where I'll leave it for the "heavy" profile. A few climbout shots :)http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/149962.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/149963.jpg

[Vampire_NZ 0]

Brian, That sounds like a plan. The other thing I've been wondering is whether or not there's enough of a difference between engine types to warrant different FSBuild profiles. Of course this would presumably apply only to those of us with the freighter. Maybe be something to look into at some stage.

[Brian Doney 127]

Still looking good. It does seem that the profile as it is now is planning a bit too much for the climb, even heavy, and isn't prediciting enough for the descent. The result is the same, in terms of arrival fuel, but I'd like to get it to where the REM/AREM fuel column in the FSBuild navlog is more accurate. This would also keep the step climb predictions of the navlog in better synch with the FMS. I have consistently had, waypoint by waypoint, just under 5,000lbs over what the navlog says I should, but the predicted fuel at destination is still very close:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/149971.jpgThis extra fuel is the same ~4700lbs or so I picked up in the climb. I took a look at the navlog and sure enough, it planned I'd use about 27000lbs for the climb to initial cruise, when 22000lbs is a bit more realistic with a heavy climb to FL300-320. Very easily fixed, should be able to get that within about 1,000lbs or so.At any rate, this is working out in a much, much more predictable fashion than the previous attempt.

[Brian Doney 127]

And here's the route in case anyone was interested:

                      FSBUILD FLIGHT PLANFLT REL IFR UAL895   KORD-32L/VHHH-25L  MACH 86  A/C  B747-400 LR BIAS           FUEL  TIME    CORR   TOGWT    LDGWT   AVG W/CTAXI      001602 0018  . . . .  831812   479276  M009DEST VHHH 352536 1517  . . . .  ELEV. 19 FTRESV      012480 0045  . . . .ALTN      004368 0015  . . . .  ALTN VMMC   DIST  19HOLD      008320 0030  . . . .EXTRA     000000 0000  . . . .  ZFW 454108      PAYLOAD 060020TTL AT TO 377704 1647  . . . .                  DIST  7074REQD      379306 1705  . . . .                  ETD   1725CLB BIAS 0.0%  CRZ BIAS 4.0%   DSC BIAS 0.0%DEP BIAS 0 MIN 0 DIST 0 FUEL, ARR BIAS 0 MIN 500 FUELKORD BAE J68 GEP J36 FAR MOT J483 VLN J475 YWV NCA11 REMBY NCA11 YESKA J133 ANC NODLE R220 NEONN G349 MARCC G583 BISIV G583 MVE V8 SPE V2 HWE V30 JEC V54 HKC A1 APU A1 HLG A1 ELATO ASTRA VHHH/1517                        M/H FL                   WIND   ATCTO          NM  AWY     M/C TAS G/S   ZT  ACTME ETA ATA  ACBO ABO REM AREM N4307.0/W8817.0        345 CLB                 253021  CHIBAE 116.40  069 DCT     349 290 288 00/16 00/16 .../... 0213/... 3563/... N4326.7/W8916.9        293 CLB                 254021  CHITOC         047 J68     294 473 459 00/06 00/22 .../... 0256/... 3520/... N4333.0/W8945.8        294 320                 258017  CHIDLL 117.00  021 J68     295 484 470 00/02 00/25 .../... 0269/... 3507/... N4445.3/W9149.5        310 320                 336007  MSPNICKL       099 J68     309 484 471 00/12 00/37 .../... 0332/... 3444/... N4508.7/W9322.3        291 320                 351018  MSPGEP 117.30  069 J68     289 484 476 00/08 00/46 .../... 0375/... 3401/... N4645.2/W9651.0        305 320                 348025  MSPFAR 116.20  174 J36     303 484 471 00/22 01/08 .../... 0486/... 3290/... N4815.6/W10117.2       294 320                 302011  MSPMOT 117.10  200 DCT     294 484 469 00/25 01/34 .../... 0611/... 3165/... N4859.9/W10220.4       305 320                 247027  MSPMOT61       060 J483    308 484 475 00/07 01/41 .../... 0647/... 3129/... N5040.0/W10453.3       303 320                 234043  CZWGVLN 114.20  141 J483    308 484 482 00/17 01/59 .../... 0731/... 3045/... N5258.8/W11050.0       287 320                 224058  CZEGYWV 114.50  259 J475    293 484 480 00/32 02/31 .../... 0886/... 2890/... N5416.8/W11359.0       285 320                 211051  CZEGNUBEG       135 NCA11   291 484 486 00/16 02/48 .../... 0963/... 2813/... N5625.5/W12016.2       282 320                 212037  CZEGLEPET       249 NCA11   287 484 484 00/30 03/19 .../... 1098/... 2678/... N5742.1/W12500.0       276 320                 180012  CZEGBINGA       172 NCA11   277 485 491 00/21 03/40 .../... 1190/... 2586/... N5846.7/W13000.0       271 CLB                 123009  CZEGOMLOK       170 NCA11   271 484 494 00/20 04/01 .../... 1281/... 2496/... N5936.6/W13500.0       269 340                 063018  CZEGARIUS       160 NCA11   267 481 490 00/19 04/20 .../... 1361/... 2415/... N6006.5/W13900.0       264 340                 043023  ANCCOHIL       123 NCA11   262 480 494 00/15 04/35 .../... 1422/... 2354/... N6040.0/W14600.0       263 340                 038046  ANCREMBY       209 NCA11   258 480 505 00/24 05/00 .../... 1524/... 2252/... N6100.0/W14920.0       266 340                 042056  ANCYESKA       099 NCA11   261 480 507 00/11 05/12 .../... 1572/... 2204/... N6109.0/W15012.3       273 340                 034042  ANCANC 114.30  026 J133    269 480 490 00/03 05/15 .../... 1585/... 2191/... N6117.0/W15200.0       263 340                 034042  ANCNODLE       052 DCT     258 480 497 00/06 05/21 .../... 1611/... 2165/... N6115.0/W15600.0       254 340                 035041  ANCNICHO       115 R220    250 481 494 00/13 05/35 .../... 1666/... 2110/... N6107.0/W16300.0       253 CLB                 022013  ANCNOSHO       201 R220    252 476 472 00/25 06/01 .../... 1763/... 2013/... N6049.3/W16500.5       240 360                 320014  ANCNEONN       060 R220    238 475 470 00/07 06/08 .../... 1792/... 1984/... N6011.6/W17753.6       257 360                 325013  ANCMARCC       380 G349    255 475 465 00/48 06/57 .../... 1979/... 1797/... N5945.0/E17925.1       246 360                 256021  UHPPBESAT       085 G583    246 475 455 00/11 07/08 .../... 2018/... 1758/... N5520.0/E16256.4       242 CLB                 213039  ....IRKAN       589 G583    245 475 452 01/18 08/27 .../... 2297/... 1479/... N5412.8/E15948.1       238 380                 181048  UHPPGEFAR       127 G583    243 475 455 00/16 08/43 .../... 2353/... 1423/... N5349.5/E15842.5       243 380                 191025  UHPPKUDER       045 G583    245 475 459 00/05 08/49 .../... 2372/... 1404/... N5319.0/E15732.0       238 380                 191025  ....MK 345.0    051 G583    240 475 457 00/06 08/56 .../... 2395/... 1381/... N5249.0/E15616.0       242 380                 191025  ....UB 907.0    054 G583    244 475 458 00/07 09/03 .../... 2418/... 1358/... N5238.0/E15554.5       235 380                 191025  ....SENOR       017 G583    237 475 456 00/02 09/05 .../... 2426/... 1350/... N4911.6/E15000.0       234 380                 191025  ....BUMEN       304 G583    236 475 473 00/39 09/45 .../... 2556/... 1220/... N4656.0/E14645.4       237 380                 329026  ....LATAK       187 G583    234 475 470 00/23 10/09 .../... 2636/... 1140/... N4459.5/E14416.9       238 380                 297059  ....BISIV       155 G583    231 475 465 00/20 10/29 .../... 2698/... 1078/... N4418.3/E14323.7       238 380                 306067  RJCGMVE 112.90  055 G583    230 475 467 00/07 10/36 .../... 2720/... 1056/... N4405.1/E14304.4       243 380                 306067  RJCGSAROM       018 V8      235 475 463 00/02 10/38 .../... 2728/... 1048/... N4401.1/E14258.3       244 380                 306067  RJCGLUBEK       005 V8      236 475 463 00/00 10/39 .../... 2730/... 1047/... N4340.0/E14227.4       243 380                 306067  RJCGAWE 113.50  030 V8      235 475 463 00/03 10/43 .../... 2742/... 1034/... N4321.1/E14142.9       256 380                 303070  RJCGBEEBA       037 V8      249 475 444 00/05 10/48 .../... 2757/... 1019/... N4310.4/E14118.1       254 380                 298076  RJCGSPE 113.90  020 V8      246 475 438 00/02 10/50 .../... 2766/... 1010/... N4255.9/E14113.2       211 380                 298076  RJCGMOIWA       015 V2      202 475 493 00/01 10/52 .../... 2771/... 1005/... N4230.1/E14104.5       211 380                 298076  RJCGTEKKO       025 V2      202 475 492 00/03 10/55 .../... 2781/... 0995/... N4210.7/E14058.0       210 380                 295085  RJCGHWE25       020 V2      200 475 493 00/02 10/58 .../... 2788/... 0988/... N4154.2/E14052.5       214 380                 295085  RJCGHWE08       016 V2      204 475 488 00/01 11/00 .../... 2795/... 0981/... N4146.4/E14049.9       213 380                 295085  RJCGHWE 112.30  008 V2      203 475 488 00/00 11/01 .../... 2798/... 0978/... N4055.7/E14026.6       217 380                 295085  RJCGTSURU       053 V30     206 475 484 00/06 11/07 .../... 2818/... 0958/... N4004.3/E14003.2       220 380                 293114  RJCGOBAKO       053 V30     207 475 482 00/06 11/14 .../... 2839/... 0937/... N3823.9/E13918.5       219 380                 291102  RJ00006BUDOH       106 V30     207 475 483 00/13 11/27 .../... 2880/... 0896/... N3757.4/E13906.8       217 380                 290089  RJ00006GTC 115.50  027 V30     207 475 475 00/03 11/30 .../... 2891/... 0885/... N3735.8/E13828.9       249 380                 290089  RJ00006TERAD       037 V30     240 475 426 00/05 11/36 .../... 2907/... 0869/... N3715.5/E13753.0       250 380                 286093  RJ00006HAKBA       034 V30     241 475 418 00/04 11/41 .../... 2922/... 0854/... N3711.5/E13746.7       249 380                 285086  RJ00006GORYU       006 V30     241 475 421 00/00 11/41 .../... 2925/... 0851/... N3700.4/E13728.1       247 380                 285086  RJ00006IKUJI       018 V30     239 475 423 00/02 11/44 .../... 2933/... 0843/... N3649.1/E13707.8       251 380                 285086  RJ00006URUSI       020 V30     243 475 418 00/02 11/47 .../... 2942/... 0834/... N3636.6/E13646.4       247 380                 285086  RJ00006OYABE       021 V30     239 475 423 00/02 11/50 .../... 2951/... 0825/... N3623.7/E13624.2       248 380                 285086  RJ00006KMC 112.00  021 V30     240 475 422 00/02 11/53 .../... 2960/... 0816/... N3611.5/E13535.0       264 380                 279075  RJ00006SONBU       041 V30     260 475 408 00/06 11/59 .../... 2979/... 0797/... N3531.8/E13305.6       263 380                 279075  RJ00006JEC 116.70  127 V30     259 475 404 00/18 12/18 .../... 3035/... 0741/... N3510.7/E13251.9       223 380                 271077  RJ00040IZUMO       023 V54     215 475 440 00/03 12/21 .../... 3044/... 0732/... N3442.3/E13233.2       223 380                 271077  RJ00040SAIJO       031 V54     214 475 441 00/04 12/25 .../... 3057/... 0719/... N3424.4/E13221.5       222 380                 278071  RJ00040CARPS       020 V54     214 475 450 00/02 12/28 .../... 3065/... 0711/... N3404.7/E13208.8       222 380                 278071  RJ00040IWC 114.30  022 V54     214 475 451 00/02 12/31 .../... 3074/... 0702/... N3346.3/E13159.2       216 380                 278071  RJ00040YANAI       019 V54     208 475 458 00/02 12/33 .../... 3081/... 0695/... N3313.2/E13142.1       217 380                 285069  RJ00040TAE 112.10  035 V54     209 475 466 00/04 12/38 .../... 3094/... 0682/... N3303.4/E13134.9       227 380                 285069  RJ00040ITIKO       012 V54     219 475 453 00/01 12/39 .../... 3099/... 0677/... N3248.8/E13124.1       223 380                 285069  RJ00040SOBOH       017 V54     215 475 458 00/02 12/41 .../... 3106/... 0670/... N3224.6/E13106.4       225 380                 275069  RJ00040KROMA       028 V54     218 475 444 00/03 12/45 .../... 3117/... 0659/... N3207.6/E13053.8       224 380                 274049  RJ00040MOCOS       020 V54     218 475 452 00/02 12/48 .../... 3125/... 0651/... N3141.8/E13034.9       223 380                 274049  RJ00040HKC 113.30  030 V54     217 475 453 00/03 12/52 .../... 3137/... 0639/... N3123.1/E13006.6       241 380                 274049  RJ00040KAZAN       029 A1      238 475 438 00/03 12/56 .../... 3149/... 0627/... N3117.3/E12957.8       240 380                 283037  RJ00040KOSHI       009 A1      237 475 452 00/01 12/57 .../... 3152/... 0624/... N2951.9/E12750.2       240 380                 283037  RORGRUSAR       138 A1      237 475 455 00/18 13/15 .../... 3206/... 0570/... N2935.2/E12727.8       241 380                 302042  RORGAKVAS       025 A1      236 475 462 00/03 13/18 .../... 3216/... 0560/... N2838.2/E12607.8       240 380                 300041  RORGSAPET       090 A1      236 475 461 00/11 13/30 .../... 3251/... 0525/... N2705.5/E12400.0       237 380                 289026  RORGBULAN       145 A1      234 475 467 00/18 13/49 .../... 3307/... 0469/... N2619.9/E12300.0       235 380                 291015  RCTPOSTAR       070 A1      233 475 468 00/08 13/58 .../... 3334/... 0443/... N2556.8/E12229.5       237 380                 297023  RCTPAISAR       036 A1      234 475 466 00/04 14/02 .../... 3347/... 0429/... N2534.3/E12201.3       234 380                 297023  RCTPANNNA       033 A1      232 475 467 00/04 14/07 .../... 3360/... 0416/... N2510.6/E12131.3       234 380                 297023  RCTPAPU 112.50  036 A1      231 475 467 00/04 14/11 .../... 3374/... 0402/... N2438.4/E12047.0       236 380                 297023  RCTPHLG 114.90  051 A1      234 475 466 00/06 14/18 .../... 3392/... 0384/... N2400.4/E12005.3       231 380                 295027  RCTPSWORD       053 A1      228 475 466 00/06 14/25 .../... 3411/... 0365/... N2335.7/E11938.2       229 380                 308015  RCTPMKG 115.20  035 A1      227 475 474 00/04 14/29 .../... 3423/... 0353/... N2257.3/E11832.5       241 380                 308015  RCTPKADLO       071 A1      240 475 470 00/09 14/38 .../... 3448/... 0328/... N2234.2/E11750.4       241 380                 286022  RCTPTOD         045 A1      239 475 461 00/05 14/44 .../... 3464/... 0312/... N2220.0/E11730.0       241 DSC                 286022  RCTPELATO       023 A1      239 482 475 00/02 14/47 .../... 3470/... 0306/... N2216.4/E11511.5       273 DSC                 317031  HKGASTRA       127 DCT     270 442 424 00/17 15/04 .../... 3503/... 0273/... N2218.6/E11353.7       272 DSC                 241018  HKGVHHH        071 DCT     274 356 342 00/12 15/17 .../... 3525/... 0251/...----------------------------------------------------------------------(FPL-UAL895=IS-B744/H-SIPRXWY/S-ZZZZ-KORD1725-N0461380 KORD BAE J68 GEP J36 FAR MOT J483 VLN J475 YWV NCA11 REMBY NCA11  YESKA J133 ANC NODLE R220 NEONN G349 MARCC G583 BISIV G583 MVE V8 SPE V2  HWE V30 JEC V54 HKC A1 APU A1 HLG A1 ELATO ASTRA VHHH-VHHH1517 VMMC-)----------------------------------------------------------------------KORD 260253Z 27006KT 10SM FEW040 SCT110 BKN250 20/18 A2951 RMK AO2 SLP989 60003 T02000178 53007KORD 252332Z 260024 27012KT P6SM VCSH SCT025 BKN050 TEMPO 0103 5SM -SHRA BKN025 FM0400 28010KT P6SM BKN025 FM0900 30008KT 4SM BR BKN010 FM1500 32010KT P6SM BKN020 FM1800 35010KT P6SM BKN035FL030: 253/21 (18.60)	FL060: 262/32 (12.80)	FL090: 254/38 (10.30)FL120: 260/34 (-0.40)	FL180: 274/30 (-12.00)	FL240: 265/31 (-23.00)FL300: 255/38 (-40.30)	FL340: 254/34 (-46.40)	FL390: 269/24 (-49.70)----------------------------------------------------------------------VHHH 260230Z 22011KT 180V240 9999 FEW012 SCT028 BKN120 29/24 Q1012 NOSIGVHHH 260200Z 260312 20010KT 9999 FEW015 SCT025 BKN100FL030: 196/14 (23.50)	FL060: 221/20 (18.50)	FL090: 226/20 (16.10)FL120: 241/18 (6.90)	FL180: 223/14 (-3.90)	FL240: 220/13 (-14.00)FL300: 218/13 (-28.90)	FL340: 309/11 (-38.30)	FL390: 307/31 (-51.20)----------------------------------------------------------------------VMMC 260230Z 20013KT 9999 FEW005 SCT018 BKN090 28/25 Q1013 NOSIGVMMC 260200Z 260312 19012KT 9999 FEW008 SCT018 BKN080 TEMPO 0306 5000 SHRAFL030: 196/14 (23.50)	FL060: 221/20 (18.50)	FL090: 226/20 (16.10)FL120: 241/18 (6.90)	FL180: 223/14 (-3.90)	FL240: 220/13 (-14.00)FL300: 218/13 (-28.90)	FL340: 309/11 (-38.30)	FL390: 307/31 (-51.20)----------------------------------------------------------------------ID	FL060	FL090	FL120	FL180	FL240	FL280	FL340	FL390KORD	262/032	254/038	260/034	274/030	265/031	255/038	254/034	269/024BAE	267/018	261/021	256/021	270/019	254/021	246/022	249/020	250/016DLL	304/013	300/010	310/008	328/010	328/008	333/008	336/007	331/014NICKL	353/014	353/014	005/011	015/016	014/018	027/019	026/015	351/018GEP	350/024	345/024	346/023	356/026	355/033	003/035	002/027	348/025FAR	354/021	347/022	345/025	345/029	340/037	336/022	313/020	302/011MOT	335/027	331/027	312/030	277/022	265/029	265/029	263/028	247/027MOT61	331/015	322/022	297/035	266/027	245/044	233/041	236/045	234/043VLN	235/005	260/014	275/030	254/040	234/046	220/061	222/068	224/058YWV	155/009	219/010	268/015	204/020	194/025	185/034	194/052	211/051NUBEG	275/013	279/015	270/018	205/008	174/022	162/029	190/036	212/037LEPET	230/005	239/012	226/011	192/008	172/010	134/013	157/016	180/012BINGA	027/003	073/004	213/007	143/008	163/006	086/019	098/018	123/009OMLOK	049/005	064/006	047/005	075/003	063/008	068/014	069/019	063/018ARIUS	020/008	025/010	035/015	022/020	023/015	053/020	048/025	043/023COHIL	033/003	019/005	337/008	347/010	036/031	036/060	037/060	038/046REMBY	010/009	018/008	013/013	038/032	038/046	037/065	040/075	042/056YESKA	017/014	015/013	021/020	030/028	032/035	032/044	033/046	034/042ANC	017/014	015/013	021/020	030/028	032/035	032/044	033/046	034/042NODLE	039/007	024/005	025/015	028/026	030/032	031/040	034/040	035/041NICHO	021/020	017/020	029/014	034/013	328/007	053/002	352/001	022/013NOSHO	357/013	354/013	333/014	328/028	326/038	315/040	321/032	320/014NEONN	017/011	007/011	350/013	348/019	326/018	329/018	330/018	325/013MARCC	244/020	239/020	238/018	249/025	249/024	255/030	251/033	256/021BESAT	222/023	221/028	221/031	217/036	212/040	201/036	205/039	213/039IRKAN	163/034	166/036	162/033	163/048	158/053	161/076	159/071	181/048BUMEN	320/017	336/024	352/049	333/055	338/054	334/052	334/052	329/026BISIV	236/009	187/005	309/010	303/035	321/037	311/047	312/070	306/067AWE	264/013	278/009	287/012	296/031	299/029	304/042	309/074	303/070BEEBA	285/014	305/017	311/015	289/028	299/024	303/047	292/066	298/076HWE25	295/014	320/019	325/018	290/023	300/021	298/041	294/067	295/085TSURU	300/016	328/019	333/018	290/020	295/024	298/041	298/071	293/114OBAKO	321/017	333/016	318/013	285/021	287/026	285/041	294/063	291/102BUDOH	022/010	028/010	291/012	271/019	257/025	282/054	288/068	290/089HAKBA	112/014	124/011	216/010	249/022	249/033	278/056	273/077	285/086KMC	143/013	138/014	206/010	252/024	267/034	268/050	278/071	279/075JEC	162/015	166/012	228/012	217/033	261/047	256/067	255/066	269/080IZUMO	178/011	168/012	184/008	213/039	267/055	263/061	265/058	271/077SAIJO	191/012	183/007	203/012	241/036	256/055	251/059	270/056	278/071IWC	191/012	183/007	203/012	241/036	256/055	251/059	270/056	278/071YANAI	161/009	201/005	193/013	259/038	257/052	249/055	278/049	285/069SOBOH	172/012	196/008	181/014	244/039	250/051	249/055	263/055	275/069KROMA	159/010	168/008	191/014	249/038	248/045	250/047	267/044	274/049MOCOS	159/010	168/008	191/014	249/038	248/045	250/047	267/044	274/049KAZAN	153/015	153/012	193/016	242/034	248/038	254/043	273/045	283/037RUSAR	158/017	168/015	213/020	243/023	245/029	256/027	282/031	302/042SAPET	222/017	223/017	271/016	263/023	268/029	285/019	290/016	289/026BULAN	245/010	257/011	268/015	270/023	270/024	268/027	281/027	291/015OSTAR	234/020	238/020	246/025	273/020	256/024	263/013	290/015	297/023HLG	245/025	241/024	244/022	261/020	250/023	272/019	286/016	295/027SWORD	242/017	239/018	227/015	239/013	230/016	281/014	293/012	308/015ASTRA	221/020	226/020	241/018	223/014	220/013	218/013	309/011	307/031VHHH	221/020	226/020	241/018	223/014	220/013	218/013	309/011	307/031VMMC	221/020	226/020	241/018	223/014	220/013	218/013	309/011	307/031----------------------------------------------------------------------TO		DIST	MC	MH	WDIR	WSPD	TEMP	TAS	GS	ETEKORD		70.1	348	345	269	24	-49.7	485	479	8BAE		69.3	293	291	250	16	-49.6	485	472	8DLL		114.3	309	309	331	14	-49.0	485	472	14NICKL		69.7	287	288	351	18	-50.1	485	476	8GEP		174.2	300	302	348	25	-52.5	485	467	22FAR		200.8	289	289	302	11	-58.3	485	474	25MOT		60.7	306	303	247	27	-58.9	485	474	7MOT61		140.6	304	298	234	43	-59.2	485	475	17VLN		259.9	287	280	224	58	-56.9	485	466	33YWV		136.4	287	280	211	51	-48.8	485	484	16NUBEG		249.7	280	275	212	37	-47.4	485	481	31LEPET		172.1	274	272	180	12	-45.7	485	490	21BINGA		170.3	269	268	123	9	-45.7	485	493	20OMLOK		161.3	264	265	63	18	-46.0	485	497	19ARIUS		124.0	260	262	43	23	-47.8	485	495	15COHIL		209.9	258	262	38	46	-49.5	485	502	25REMBY		99.4	260	265	42	56	-52.3	485	508	11YESKA		26.8	267	271	34	42	-55.5	485	494	3ANC		52.4	257	261	34	42	-55.5	485	501	6NODLE		115.2	249	253	35	41	-56.0	485	506	13NICHO		202.2	252	253	22	13	-56.3	485	489	24NOSHO		61.0	239	240	320	14	-54.2	485	478	7NEONN		381.3	259	260	325	13	-57.0	485	476	47MARCC		84.9	103	104	256	21	-56.0	485	501	10BESAT		590.2	257	253	213	39	-55.2	485	458	77IRKAN		127.6	245	240	181	48	-44.3	485	457	16GEFAR		45.0	246	243	191	25	-38.0	485	467	5KUDER		51.5	241	238	191	25	-38.0	485	466	6MK		54.6	243	240	191	25	-38.0	485	467	7UB		17.1	236	234	191	25	-38.0	485	465	2SENOR		303.7	239	237	191	25	-38.0	485	465	39BUMEN		187.5	235	237	329	26	-50.1	485	490	22LATAK		155.6	231	237	297	59	-58.5	485	467	19BISIV		55.8	232	239	306	67	-58.4	485	472	7MVE		18.9	235	242	306	67	-58.4	485	468	2SAROM		5.9	236	243	306	67	-58.4	485	467	1LUBEK		30.7	236	243	306	67	-58.4	485	467	3AWE		37.5	249	256	303	70	-58.6	485	449	5BEEBA		20.8	248	255	298	76	-60.5	485	441	2SPE		15.1	203	211	298	76	-60.5	485	497	1MOIWA		26.3	203	211	298	76	-60.5	485	497	3TEKKO		20.2	202	211	295	85	-59.9	485	495	2HWE25		16.8	203	212	295	85	-59.9	485	493	2HWE08		8.1	203	212	295	85	-59.9	485	493	1HWE		53.6	207	217	295	85	-59.9	485	487	6TSURU		54.1	207	220	293	114	-59.1	485	481	6OBAKO		106.3	207	219	291	102	-58.2	485	479	13BUDOH		27.8	207	217	290	89	-57.3	485	478	3GTC		37.0	242	250	290	89	-57.3	485	429	5TERAD		34.6	242	250	286	93	-56.7	485	422	4HAKBA		6.6	240	248	285	86	-55.6	485	428	1GORYU		18.4	240	248	285	86	-55.6	485	428	2IKUJI		19.8	243	250	285	86	-55.6	485	425	2URUSI		21.2	240	248	285	86	-55.6	485	428	2OYABE		21.9	241	249	285	86	-55.6	485	427	3KMC		41.4	260	264	279	75	-56.0	485	416	5SONBU		127.5	259	263	279	75	-56.0	485	416	18JEC		23.9	215	223	269	80	-55.1	485	441	3IZUMO		32.0	215	223	271	77	-55.6	485	445	4SAIJO		20.4	215	222	278	71	-55.0	485	456	2CARPS		22.4	215	222	278	71	-55.0	485	456	2IWC		19.8	209	217	278	71	-55.0	485	462	2YANAI		36.0	209	217	285	69	-54.2	485	471	4TAE		11.7	219	226	285	69	-54.2	485	460	1ITIKO		17.2	217	224	285	69	-54.2	485	462	2SOBOH		28.4	218	225	275	69	-54.0	485	449	3KROMA		20.1	218	223	274	49	-53.5	485	460	2MOCOS		30.4	217	222	274	49	-53.5	485	460	3HKC		30.2	238	241	274	49	-53.5	485	447	4KAZAN		9.6	238	241	283	37	-53.8	485	460	1KOSHI		139.0	237	240	283	37	-53.8	485	461	18RUSAR		25.6	235	239	302	42	-52.9	485	470	3AKVAS		90.1	235	239	300	41	-52.6	485	469	11SAPET		145.8	234	236	289	26	-52.2	485	471	18BULAN		70.4	233	234	291	15	-52.4	485	477	8OSTAR		35.8	233	235	297	23	-51.9	485	475	4AISAR		33.7	232	234	297	23	-51.9	485	475	4ANNNA		36.0	232	234	297	23	-51.9	485	475	4APU		51.3	234	236	297	23	-51.9	485	475	6HLG		53.7	227	230	295	27	-51.8	485	475	6SWORD		35.0	227	228	308	15	-52.1	485	483	4MKG		71.5	240	241	308	15	-52.1	485	479	8KADLO		68.4	239	240	286	22	-51.5	485	470	8ELATO		128.2	270	272	305	29	-51.4	485	461	16ASTRA		70.7	273	275	307	31	-51.2	485	459	9VHHH		-----								-----		7122.9								862m										14.37HAverage Route Winds for 38000ft: 296/49--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[macpac22 0]

Is FSBuild generating all that data or are you using Active Sky?

[Brian Doney 127]

The weather data is indeed from ASv6.I dump it all, as seen above, to the nobrief.htm file in the FS9/URIES folder, the result being:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/149975.jpgI stopped printing paper flightplans long ago.

[ErnieAlston 33]

> FSBuild only allows you to set a climbout profile based on a >single weight, and with the weight range of the 744, it'll be >impossible to nail that down in a single profile, and it does make >a huge difference across the spectrum.You can do this for multile weights like for the Cruise section of the profile.It was added in ver 2.2 but not documented.Here is an example.[[GRWT]] 396 352 319 297 ; ALT TAS ROC FUEL; 35000 390 2692 37155 2800/34903 3000/32000 3100/30000 3200/29000 The 2 params are climbrate/fuelflow, the climbrate can be left out leaving only the fuelflow for each column.If you have an issue/questions with this feel free to email me.RegardsErnie.

[Brian Doney 127]

Ernie,Excellent ! Most of these numbers are place holders from the single weight table I had before, but as an example, is this right ?

[CLIMB];ALT/TAS  ROC/FUEL[GRWT]	880		 840		 800		 760		 720		 680		 640		 600		 560		 520		 48041000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/3400040000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/3400039000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400038000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400037000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400036000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400035000 476	---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400034000 478	---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400033000 480	---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400032000 482	---	  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/34000  1000/3400031000 486 1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/3480030000 489 1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/3920029000 482 1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/39600  1300/3960028000 476 1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/4080027000 476 1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/40800  1300/4080026000 472 1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/4320025000 470 1500/42500  1500/42500  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/4320024000 470 1500/42500  1500/42500  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/4320023000 470 1500/42500  1500/42500  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/43200  1400/4320022000 450 1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/4600022000 450 1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/46000  1700/4600021000 428 1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/47000  1900/4700019000 431 2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/4800018000 431 2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/48000  2100/4800017000 419 2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/5100016000 419 2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/51000  2400/5100015000 407 2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/5200014000 407 2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/52000  2600/5200013000 396 3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/5300012000 396 3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/53000  3000/5300011000 300 1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/5500010000 300 1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/55000  1000/550009000  270 2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/580008000  270 2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/58000  2500/580007000  270 2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/600006000  270 2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/60000  2000/600005000  250 1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/650004000  250 1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/65000  1700/650003000  210 1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/700002000  210 1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/70000  1400/700001000  190 1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000  1000/90000

[Guest kdundon]

I have the data from FSBuild imported but how do you get AS6 data from the NavData file. I am unable to find it?

[ErnieAlston 33]

>Ernie,>>Excellent ! >>Most of these numbers are place holders from the single weight>table I had before, but as an example, is this right ?You need to keep the first ROC and fuel columns in place this was to stay consistent with the original format. It doesn't start parsing it that way till column 5.ex

41000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/3400040000 475	---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---		 ---	  1000/34000  1000/34000...31000 486 1200 34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/34800  1200/3480030000 489 1200 39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200  1200/39200

Regards.Ernie.

[wongben4 0]

Hi guys.. just a side question. What are crz bias and dep bias..(those bias) mean?thanksben

[ronzie 21]

AS6 maintains a snapshot file of loaded weather in its folder that FSB looks at for your generated/selected waypoints at youe selected cruise altitude. In the aircraft tab you selkect your aircraft and you set the surface conditions. You must set the path in FSB options and remember to save those options. Check out the FSB support forum.Note that after you have started FS9 and loaded your flight then refreshed from within AS the weather (and AI), the (737NG) CDU performance pages will show the surface temp where appropriate as well as the OAT in the EICAS.