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Which Graphics Card is the best for FS9 and will be for FSX?

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Hey there!Well then...its time for me tu upgrade my Graphics Card since i am still running on a GeForce 4600 Ti.Can somebody please give me some background on which Card would be the best choice?Thanks alot!Thomas

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>Hey there!>>Well then...its time for me tu upgrade my Graphics Card since>i am still running on a GeForce 4600 Ti.>>Can somebody please give me some background on which Card>would be the best choice?>>Thanks alot!>>Thomas>For anyone to give you any advice worth a darn youd need to list your system specs; it will do you no good to go get a nice mid-upper range card if your system is bottle necked else where.

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Instead of asking this question, which has probably been asked over a billion times throughout forums, do some research...http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.htmlThat's a good place to start, they have a comprehensive list of video cards and their benchmarks on different games. The "latest" aren't on there yet but the charts are updated regularly.- Tim Schaff

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Do NOT get a new card until DirectX 10 and Windows Vista are out - you will be seriously handicapping yourself for FSX if you buy one now. They should be out around Christmas or slightly after in 2007. All cards out now, even the best $600+ ones are DX9 only and won't be able to do FSX or Vista to their full potential under DX10...

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Yup, hold off on the gfx card for DX10. We should be hearing announcements on this in October (from Arstechnica).

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Tim,Your very useful reply is exactly why the question was asked in the first place. Remember that there are always newcomers to Flight Simulation.Gerry

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>Instead of asking this question, which has probably been>asked over a billion times throughout forums, do some>research...>>http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html>>That's a good place to start, they have a comprehensive list>of video cards and their benchmarks on different games. The>"latest" aren't on there yet but the charts are updated>regularly.>>- Tim SchaffBoy if this is all you can contribute don't reply at all...He asked just a question and to share some knowledge/experience with FS nothing wrong there....So be polite and don't reply ;-)As for the question we need to know your system details specific...Have fun,Andr

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If you want one now, make sure you have at least a P4 2.4 with some decent RAM. The graphics card I just bought is the Nvidia 7600GT. It is definitely the best value for the performance you get. Check the reviews and you'll see that the 7600GT is one of the best graphics cards Nvidia has ever made and some reviewers have actually said that it is underpriced for the performance you get. I bought myself a Zalman cooling fan and RAM heatsinks for it and have it overclocked to give me some pretty decent framerates at 1280x1024 with all sliders maxed out. Yes you could wait for Vista and FSX to come out, but I can tell you, I won't be buying Vista for at least 6 months after it comes out. By then, I'll be in the market for an upgrade as I buy a new video card about once a year and I just bought this one about 2 weeks ago.Goran

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>Boy if this is all you can contribute don't reply at all...>He asked just a question and to share some>knowledge/experience with FS nothing wrong there....>>So be polite and don't reply ;-)>>As for the question we need to know your system details>specific...>>Have fun,>>Andr

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If you feel insulted my apologies, that wasn't my intention....But due to nature of these forums you get redundancy of questions asked ;-) (I'm longer around here as 26 posts ;-)) The FS community was / is all about to help each other to get to most out of our hobby.You could share your experience and also refer to for example Tomshardware... He didn't ask for a link ;-) so your first comment is unnecessary...Have fun and I will skip your last remark for trying to be impolite, or can we proceed in Dutch? ;-)Andr

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>If you feel insulted my apologies, that wasn't my>intention....>>But due to nature of these forums you get redundancy of>questions asked ;-) (I'm longer around here as 26 posts ;-)) >>The FS community was / is all about to help each other to get>to most out of our hobby.>>You could share your experience and also refer to for example>Tomshardware... >>He didn't ask for a link ;-) so your first comment is>unnecessary...>>Have fun and I will skip your last remark for trying to be>impolite, or can we proceed in Dutch? ;-)>>Andr

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This is the card you want:Gainward GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, "BP8800GTX-768-TV-DD"It is a Directx10 card. It is shipping now.RegardsKjetil

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. . . and more. It seems this is the first generation of what they are calling the GP/GPU (General Purpose Graphics Processor Unit). For the 8800GTX, the basic GPU layout ( -essentially- ) is 128 little CPUs all running at 1.35 Ghz. These are NOT fancy "Core 2" CPUs. These are very simple, basic but identical processors. They call this system Unified Shaders. These little guys can be used (interchangably) for all the graphics processes and, get this . . . "We can potentially share game rendering with something like physics calculations on the same GPU. Or we could run a Folding@Home GPU client in the background while we play a game. On the extreme, multiple full screen 3d applications could be running concurrently" (Anandtech). Or just get rid of the CPU all together! Once these GPCPUs get rolling, that is probably where we're going. All this woop-de-doo about DX10 capability is just a side note. These 128 CPUs are fully available to be assigned tasks in C programming language. This capability will allow a dev to assign tasks to the GPU that might otherwise be assigned to the CPU. Just as a for instance, the PMDG airplane's modeling might be assignable to the GPU thereby unloading the main CPU to do more autogen processing and the like. Pie in the sky? Right now, for sure. But soon there's gonna be only one processor aboard a computer and it's probably going to be an AMD GPGPU! What?!You saw that AMD just bought ATI. See where AMD's going? They are driving hard toward a completely unified CPU/GPU design. I've been an Intel/Nvidia fan for years, but ya gotta respect AMD's vision and committiment to that vision. They put their money down, like 1.3 Billion? On the surface it may seem they just clobbered by a 1-2 punch (Core 2/8800), but like Arnold, The have locked on to the future and they'll be back.But even for now, so much processing power has just been laid on the table that it might take years for the programmers to get it fully utalized. The PMDG group really deserves patients and support. This is a lot to get around.Here the Anandtech article. I'm a bit overwhelmed by all this. There's SO much there. Anyone else get some more?http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=1

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Pretty sure Intel and Nvidia will end up merging at some point to counter the AMD/ATI thing you brought up though...The Unified Shader stuff is really cool though, you're right. Game developers can use it for practically anything they want now - the days of your GPU's extra power not being used to render the game because of lower resolution, low poly counts in the game etc are apparently coming to and end. As a consumer I really like that, if I'm gonna spend $650 on this card, it better be working in full every minute of the day lol! I wonder if Windows itself could be able to see the GPU as another CPU for processing tasks somehow... that would be kinda cool too - if you're not in a game it'd help out with OS processing tasks.

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