747-400F Range Problem

[a3ifs40 0]

Hi I am having a range problem with the 747-400fI am trying to fly from KMEM to EDDF using the Atlas Air 747-400F with a distance of 4,125 miles and a inital flt level of 30,000now according to the specs of the plane the max fully loaded rangeof the aircraft is 4,450 nautical miles I have a ZFW of 632816 and full full of 242184 = 875,000and i know i can add 2000 extra pounds of fuel to still fall within safe limits for take off according to the manual speaking of the manual how much of a differance between the pax and the cargo version of the manual?i programed the fmc with the following flight plan which was FDX 38route on Decmeber 7th 2006J42 KONGO J145 HVQ J78 PSB J49 BGR J581 YJT CYMON DENDU (cross the atlantic) LIMRI UN523 DOLIP UN523 CRK UL607 SPI UT180 DITEL T180 OSMAX OSMAX1Wput in a reserve of 42.o and a cost index of 0and it said "insufficant fuel"is there something i am doing wrongany help would be greatthanks

[johndrago 4]

>Hi>>>put in a reserve of 42.o and a cost index of 0>and it said "insufficant fuel">>is there something i am doing wrong>any help would be great>>thanks>>Check the progress page of the FMC. Does it show you landing at your destination with less than 42,000lbs of fuel? If so, it's triggering your reserve alarm. Why are you choosing such a high reserve?- John

[Guest Steve_Park]

Hi Nameless,Yes, 42,000 is an awful lot of fuel for reserve, unless all of ED land is under some sort of bad weather and you are planning to divert to Dubai. I would also suggest that you set you initial altitude to a correct "East" bound altitude, either FL290 or FL310, that's a pretty busy cooridor from HVQ toward BGR, you will probably run into someone going the opposite direction at your altitude. One last thing, a cost index of "zero" is the most fuel efficient setting. Remember, you are not paying for the fuel and the freight business is booming right now, up it to at least 100. I fly the 744F over 6000 mile west, into the wind all the time with no range issues. Just remember to follow those step climbs. She get's light and up high and hardly burn any fuel at all.....Steve Park

[phil747fan 14]

helloi just tested your options ... with FOC 2003 and my 744 GE profile.it can be done but you forget the little winds factor ....on this flight they are very helpful ....the flight plan without wind as you ll notice you must reduce your payload ....START OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN 0038 06.12.08 KMEMEDDF.001 SEQ002 RLS000 WARNINGS :- ZFW reduced, Limited Take Off Weight.AIRCRAFT 744GE STD 11.35Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400F STA 20.10Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 4323 TRACK INDEX 105 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 4323 COMPONENT H000 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN LB WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN LB BIAS 1000 ZFW 620729 634995 TAXI 2205 TOF 254272 360226 EDDF 223185 08.03 TOW 875001 875001 RR20 11159 00.24 TIF 223185 EDDK* 10183 00,20 FL070 LW 651816 673999 FR 9744 00.30 REM 31087 CF 0 HF 0 AIRPORTS: ALL IN LB MIN 256476 09,17 ADD 0 ACT 256477 NOTES :- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- BASED ON ZERO WIND CALCULATION- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : DCT-ODF / DCT-ODF / J145-HVQ / J78-PSB / J49-BGR / J581-YJT / DCT-CYMON / DCT-DENDU / DCT-5150N / DCT-5240N / DCT-5230N / DCT-5220N / DCT-LIMRI / UN523-CRK / UL607-SPI / UT180-DITEL / T180-OSMAX / (D25L-CHA)DIST 4323 GCI 105 CP H000 ESAD 4323 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :KONGO/F270 - BIGEO/F290 - 5230N/F310 - DOLIP/F330then the one with today winds predictions ....START OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN 0038 06.12.08 KMEMEDDF.001 SEQ004 RLS000 AIRCRAFT 744GE STD 11.35Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400F STA 19.10Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 4323 TRACK INDEX 105 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 3936 COMPONENT T051 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN LB WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN LB BIAS 1000 ZFW 632707 634995 TAXI 2205 TOF 241696 360226 EDDF 200403 07.03 TOW 874402 875001 RR20 10020 00.21 TIF 200403 EDDK* 10183 00,20 FL070 LW 673999 673999 FR 9744 00.30 REM 41293 CF 0 HF 0 AIRPORTS: ALL IN LB MIN 232556 08,14 ADD 11345 ACT 243900 NOTES :- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20061208.06U / 20061208.12U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : DCT-ODF / DCT-ODF / J145-HVQ / J78-PSB / J49-BGR / J581-YJT / DCT-CYMON / DCT-DENDU / DCT-5150N / DCT-5240N / DCT-5230N / DCT-5220N / DCT-LIMRI / UN523-CRK / UL607-SPI / UT180-DITEL / T180-OSMAX / (D25L-CHA)DIST 4323 GCI 105 CP T051 ESAD 3936 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :KONGO/F270 - BIGEO/F290 - 5220N/F310 - ABDUK/F330and if you dont carry your extra fuel :START OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN 0038 06.12.08 KMEMEDDF.001 SEQ003 RLS000 AIRCRAFT 744GE STD 11.35Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400F STA 19.10Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 4323 TRACK INDEX 105 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 3934 COMPONENT T052 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN LB WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN LB BIAS 1000 ZFW 632707 634995 TAXI 2205 TOF 226143 360226 EDDF 196397 07.01 TOW 858850 875001 RR20 9820 00.21 TIF 196397 EDDK* 10183 00,20 FL070 LW 662453 673999 FR 9744 00.30 REM 29746 CF 0 HF 0 AIRPORTS: ALL IN LB MIN 228349 08,12 ADD 0 ACT 228348 NOTES :- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20061208.06U / 20061208.12U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : DCT-ODF / DCT-ODF / J145-HVQ / J78-PSB / J49-BGR / J581-YJT / DCT-CYMON / DCT-DENDU / DCT-5150N / DCT-5240N / DCT-5230N / DCT-5220N / DCT-LIMRI / UN523-CRK / UL607-SPI / UT180-DITEL / T180-OSMAX / (D25L-CHA)DIST 4323 GCI 105 CP T052 ESAD 3934 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :KONGO/F270 - GEFFS/F290 - 5230N/F310 - CRK/F330this is option i ll take if you fly tonight ....enjoy

[glacier 0]

Hi PhilI just bought the FOC 2003 flight planner. Great program, but a steep learning curve. I see that you have a LBS PMDG profile for the 747. Did you make this yourself? The one on the Danur website is metric. Any chance you'd be willing to share any of your PMDG 747 profiles that are in LBS?Dustin

[opherben 0]

Hi,1. I'm not sure that cargo operators fancy flying at CI 100, as it uses less than efficient settings. It would make sense when chasing the next scheduled departure. 2. Not a good idea to suggest increasing CI for someone short on fuel flying favorable tailwind.>Hi Nameless,>>Yes, 42,000 is an awful lot of fuel for reserve, unless all of>ED land is under some sort of bad weather and you are planning>to divert to Dubai. I would also suggest that you set you>initial altitude to a correct "East" bound altitude, either>FL290 or FL310, that's a pretty busy cooridor from HVQ toward>BGR, you will probably run into someone going the opposite>direction at your altitude. One last thing, a cost index of>"zero" is the most fuel efficient setting. Remember, you are>not paying for the fuel and the freight business is booming>right now, up it to at least 100. I fly the 744F over 6000>mile west, into the wind all the time with no range issues. >Just remember to follow those step climbs. She get's light>and up high and hardly burn any fuel at all.....>>Steve Park

[phil747fan 14]

>Hi Phil>>I just bought the FOC 2003 flight planner. Great program, but>a steep learning curve. I see that you have a LBS PMDG>profile for the 747. Did you make this yourself? The one on>the Danur website is metric. Any chance you'd be willing to>share any of your PMDG 747 profiles that are in LBS?>>DustinDustin,foc 2003 is like pmdg products it take time to manage the whole package ???!!! you generate at first your flightplan in kilos with in minds your lbs scenario a calculator is at least needed ... then when the first one is generated you close it ( only result) at the end of the screen on your left there is an indication "default" you pull down the menu and miracle there is an option lbs ??!!! and it works with any aircraft ...!!!luckily if you use my profile it s done for any pmdg config but not for pmdg specific weights at now this is my next step ... and you can generate F and pax version ??!! the results are really not bad at all ???!!never found one to try a very long distance flight to check the results ???!!!

[phil747fan 14]

hello Opher,i dont know for all operators but atlas air used CI 250 and Polar Air Cargo used in the same time CI 100 so dont know for now but it may change for the flights or companies but CI 100 is not a non sense for a cargo operator ??!!!see you>Hi,>1. I'm not sure that cargo operators fancy flying at CI 100,>as it uses less than efficient settings. It would make sense>when chasing the next scheduled departure. >2. Not a good idea to suggest increasing CI for someone short>on fuel flying favorable tailwind.>>>Hi Nameless,>>>>Yes, 42,000 is an awful lot of fuel for reserve, unless all>of>>ED land is under some sort of bad weather and you are>planning>>to divert to Dubai. I would also suggest that you set you>>initial altitude to a correct "East" bound altitude, either>>FL290 or FL310, that's a pretty busy cooridor from HVQ>toward>>BGR, you will probably run into someone going the opposite>>direction at your altitude. One last thing, a cost index of>>"zero" is the most fuel efficient setting. Remember, you>are>>not paying for the fuel and the freight business is booming>>right now, up it to at least 100. I fly the 744F over 6000>>mile west, into the wind all the time with no range issues. >>Just remember to follow those step climbs. She get's light>>and up high and hardly burn any fuel at all.....>>>>Steve Park>

[a3ifs40 0]

Hi all sorry it took so long work interfering with play you knowthanks for your info and helpi will try doing a flight Lfpg to Kmem today and give you a report onhow i do. i will use you advice on the cost index and start with a low FLT level and tell all when it is overthanks for all the help for you folksa3ifs40

[a3ifs40 0]

Hello Ok I have set my flight from LFPG--KMEM with the atlas air 747-400FI have a ZFW-632.8 and a fuel load of 245.1my routeing is as follows EVX departure to EVXG4JSYUN502KENUKDIRECT SOMAXDIRECTYRIJ560YQBDIRECT YMXJ588YCFJ586YXUJ545DJBJ29PXVWLDER4 Arrival MEMmy inital altitude is 30000 my cost index is 100now i put a fuel reserve of 20.0 and again i am getting the warningInsufficant fuelaccording to my progress page i should arrive in Mem with 11.4 leftnow i know that can't be rightthe distance is listed as 4010 miles which is well in rangeis there something i am doing wrong?any help would be greatA3ifs40

[opherben 0]

Fine, it does not contradict what I said, they must have a reason, as I suggested.>hello Opher,>>i dont know for all operators but atlas air used CI 250 and>Polar Air Cargo used in the same time CI 100 so dont know for>now but it may change for the flights or companies but CI 100>is not a non sense for a cargo operator ??!!!>>see you>>>Hi,>>1. I'm not sure that cargo operators fancy flying at CI 100,>>as it uses less than efficient settings. It would make sense>>when chasing the next scheduled departure. >>2. Not a good idea to suggest increasing CI for someone>short>>on fuel flying favorable tailwind.>>>>>Hi Nameless,>>>>>>Yes, 42,000 is an awful lot of fuel for reserve, unless all>>of>>>ED land is under some sort of bad weather and you are>>planning>>>to divert to Dubai. I would also suggest that you set you>>>initial altitude to a correct "East" bound altitude, either>>>FL290 or FL310, that's a pretty busy cooridor from HVQ>>toward>>>BGR, you will probably run into someone going the opposite>>>direction at your altitude. One last thing, a cost index>of>>>"zero" is the most fuel efficient setting. Remember, you>>are>>>not paying for the fuel and the freight business is booming>>>right now, up it to at least 100. I fly the 744F over 6000>>>mile west, into the wind all the time with no range issues.>>>>Just remember to follow those step climbs. She get's light>>>and up high and hardly burn any fuel at all.....>>>>>>Steve Park>>>

[phil747fan 14]

>Hello>> Ok I have set my flight from LFPG--KMEM with the atlas air>747-400F>I have a ZFW-632.8 and a fuel load of 245.1>my routeing is as follows >>EVX departure to >EVX>G4>JSY>UN502>KENUK>DIRECT SOMAX>DIRECT>YRI>J560>YQB>DIRECT YMX>J588>YCF>J586>YXU>J545>DJB>J29>PXV>WLDER4 Arrival MEM>>my inital altitude is 30000 my cost index is 100>now i put a fuel reserve of 20.0 and again i am getting the>warning>Insufficant fuel>according to my progress page i should arrive in Mem with 11.4>left>now i know that can't be right>>the distance is listed as 4010 miles which is well in range>is there something i am doing wrong?>>any help would be great>>A3ifs40hellowith your route info and without your track i ve done something you can check :as you notice the flight cant be done with your weights we have a head wind and also the reserves as usual you need some .....altn is kstl :37 min plus route reserve of 27 min amd final hold :30 min you can change fuel in load but the margin errors ..... i ve enclosed too the winds to find into your fmc and please tell us what the fmc say before taking off ....good flightSTART OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN AFR9985 06.12.09 LFPGKMEM.001 SEQ002 RLS000 WARNINGS :- ZFW reduced, Limited Take Off Weight.AIRCRAFT 744GE STD 05.00Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400F STA 14.40Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 4065 TRACK INDEX 103 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 4386 COMPONENT H035 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN LB WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN LB BIAS 1000 ZFW 588140 634995 TAXI 2205 TOF 286862 360226 KMEM 248787 09.09 TOW 875001 875001 RR 12439 00.27 TIF 248787 KSTL* 15891 00,37 FL170 LW 626214 673999 FR 9744 00.30 REM 38075 CF 0 HF 0 AIRPORTS: ALL IN LB MIN 289066 10,43 ADD 0 ACT 289066 NOTES :- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20061209.18U / 20061210.00U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : EVX1E-EVX / UT300-SENLO / UN502-KENUK / UL739-SOMAX / DCT-5120N / DCT-5230N / DCT-5440N / DCT-5550N / DCT-VALIE / N250E-YRI / J560-YQB / J546-YMX / J588-YCF / J586-YXU / J545-DJB / J29-PXV / WLDER4-WLDER / (I18L-KEEZE)DIST 4065 GCI 103 CP H035 ESAD 4386 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :JSY/F280 - 5440N/F300 - VALIE/F320 - JLGON/F340 - PXV/F330[FF]FLIGHTPLAN: AWY POS FREQ FL MT DIST TME ATO ETO ETA EET FUEL FOB RFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LFPG 0,00 ..../..../..../0,00 0 /.....28686EVX1E PG264 F019 260 008,1 0,01 ..../..../..../00.01 1237 /.....28562EVX1E PG286 F061 266 018,0 0,03 ..../..../..../00.04 3902 /.....28295EVX1E EVX 112.40 F120 281 027,1 0,04 ..../..../..../00.08 7445 /.....27941UT300 RUBIX F226 275 057,7 0,08 ..../..../..../00.16 13660 /.....27320UT300 SENLO F277 275 036,5 0,05 ..../..../..../00.21 17075 /.....26978* TOC JSY D-035 UN502 JSY 112.20 F280 287 035,1 0,05 ..../..../..../00.26 19403 /.....26745UN502 MUREL F280 279 059,3 0,08 ..../..../..../00.34 23347 /.....26351UN502 GANTO F280 280 056,2 0,08 ..../..../..../00.42 27104 /.....25975UN502 PIKOD F280 279 011,2 0,01 ..../..../..../00.43 27829 /.....25903UN502 SUPAP F280 278 021,8 0,03 ..../..../..../00.46 29211 /.....25765UN502 PEMAK F280 279 015,5 0,02 ..../..../..../00.48 30206 /.....25665UN502 PHILI F280 278 031,4 0,04 ..../..../..../00.52 32240 /.....25462UN502 RATKA F280 278 038,2 0,05 ..../..../..../00.57 34787 /.....25207UN502 KENUK F280 288 158,1 0,23 ..../..../..../01.20 46167 /.....24069UL739 SOMAX F280 280 115,8 0,16 ..../..../..../01.36 54077 /.....23278DCT 5120N F280 298 200,2 0,29 ..../..../..../02.05 68147 /.....21871DCT 5230N F280 294 378,4 0,50 ..../..../..../02.55 92173 /.....19468DCT 5440N F300 309 380,6 0,42 ..../..../..../03.37 111671/.....17519DCT 5550N F300 306 353,7 0,45 ..../..../..../04.22 131927/.....15493DCT VALIE F320 283 296,7 0,44 ..../..../..../05.06 150968/.....13589N250E YBC 117.70 F320 263 463,8 1,13 ..../..../..../06.19 181227/.....10563N250E YRI 113.90 F320 236 099,0 0,14 ..../..../..../06.33 186934/.....99927J560 YQB 112.80 F320 253 104,4 0,15 ..../..../..../06.48 192785/.....94076J546 PESAC F320 266 025,0 0,04 ..../..../..../06.52 194221/.....92641J546 SOKYE F320 264 029,8 0,04 ..../..../..../06.56 195832/.....91029J546 UFX 0260.0 F320 264 025,6 0,03 ..../..../..../06.59 197217/.....89645J546 YMX 116.70 F320 262 043,9 0,06 ..../..../..../07.05 199580/.....87282J588 ULAMO F320 245 061,5 0,08 ..../..../..../07.13 202790/.....84072J588 YCF 113.50 F320 255 108,6 0,14 ..../..../..../07.27 208436/.....78426J586 YYZ 112.15 F320 257 092,6 0,12 ..../..../..../07.39 213218/.....73644J586 YXU 117.20 F320 251 076,0 0,10 ..../..../..../07.49 217069/.....69792J545 JLGON F340 212 030,2 0,03 ..../..../..../07.52 218683/.....68178J545 BROKK F340 213 016,3 0,02 ..../..../..../07.54 219382/.....67480J545 KEEHO F340 212 027,2 0,03 ..../..../..../07.57 220555/.....66307J545 DJB 113.60 F340 211 036,8 0,04 ..../..../..../08.01 222109/.....64753J29 PROTN F340 239 082,0 0,11 ..../..../..../08.12 226080/.....60782J29 ROD 117.50 F340 239 025,0 0,03 ..../..../..../08.15 227283/.....59578J29 FYLLS F340 235 035,4 0,04 ..../..../..../08.19 228952/.....57909J29 BIGXX F340 234 053,0 0,07 ..../..../..../08.26 231465/.....55396J29 KURTZ F340 236 035,1 0,04 ..../..../..../08.30 233121/.....53740J29 JUDDI F340 234 020,7 0,03 ..../..../..../08.33 234065/.....52797J29 IMPEL F340 235 038,6 0,05 ..../..../..../08.38 235853/.....51009J29 PXV 113.30 F340 232 041,2 0,05 ..../..../..../08.43 237797/.....49064* TOD SPKER D-033 WLDER4 SPKER F213 203 146,2 0,17 ..../..../..../09.01 243342/.....43520WLDER4 WLDER F159 227 015,0 0,02 ..../..../..../09.03 243831/.....43030I18L REISE 030 240 039,0 0,06 ..../..../..../09.09 244224/.....42638 KMEM 0,00 ..../..../..../09.09 24878 /.....38075[FF]WAYPOINTS AND WINDS : ENROUTEICAO FREQ LATITUDE LONGITUDE MAG WD

[a3ifs40 0]

thanks for all your helpi will try this tonight so i am i correct to assume that the 747-400F cannot reach4,000 miles fully loaded from east to west?and has to take a payload penelty?a3ifs40

[phil747fan 14]

hellohere s the latest version of your flightplani post the complete with LRC then .85 , .86, .87 with all of this this is not possible with your weight you must ask less ...in the case you re following ifr rules about reserves and alternate ...have a good flight and feel free to report here your result in flight and with fmc START OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN AFR9985 06.12.09 LFPGKMEM.001 SEQ004 RLS000 WARNINGS :- ZFW reduced, Limited Zero Fuel Weight.- ZFW reduced, Limited Take Off Weight.AIRCRAFT B744--CF6-GE STD 05.00Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400F STA 14.40Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 4065 TRACK INDEX 103 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 4389 COMPONENT H035 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM LRC CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN LB WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN LB BIAS 1000 ZFW 593497 634995 TAXI 2205 TOF 281503 360226 KMEM 244481 09.12 TOW 875001 875001 RR 12224 00.28 TIF 244481 KSTL* 15053 00,40 FL170 LW 630520 666001 FR 9744 00.30 REM 37022 CF 0 HF 0 AIRPORTS: ALL IN LB MIN 283708 10,50 ADD 0 ACT 283708 NOTES :- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20061209.18U / 20061210.00U / 20061210.06U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : EVX1E-EVX / UT300-SENLO / UN502-KENUK / UL739-SOMAX / DCT-5120N / DCT-5230N / DCT-5440N / DCT-5550N / DCT-VALIE / N250E-YRI / J560-YQB / J546-YMX / J588-YCF / J586-YXU / J545-DJB / J29-PXV / WLDER4-WLDER / (I18L-KEEZE)DIST 4065 GCI 103 CP H035 ESAD 4389 CRSM LRC FLIGHT PROFILE :JSY/F280 - 5440N/F300 - VALIE/F320 - JLGON/F340 - PXV/F330[FF]FLIGHTPLAN: AWY POS FREQ FL MT DIST TME ATO ETO ETA EET FUEL FOB RFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LFPG 0,00 ..../..../..../0,00 0 /.....28150EVX1E PG264 F019 260 008,1 0,01 ..../..../..../00.01 1237 /.....28026EVX1E PG286 F061 266 018,0 0,03 ..../..../..../00.04 3902 /.....27760EVX1E EVX 112.40 F120 281 027,1 0,04 ..../..../..../00.08 7445 /.....27405UT300 RUBIX F226 275 057,7 0,08 ..../..../..../00.16 13660 /.....26784UT300 SENLO F277 275 036,5 0,05 ..../..../..../00.21 17075 /.....26442* TOC JSY D-035 UN502 JSY 112.20 F280 287 035,1 0,04 ..../..../..../00.25 19348 /.....26215UN502 MUREL F280 279 059,3 0,08 ..../..../..../00.33 23217 /.....25828UN502 GANTO F280 280 056,2 0,08 ..../..../..../00.41 26903 /.....25460UN502 PIKOD F280 279 011,2 0,01 ..../..../..../00.42 27613 /.....25389UN502 SUPAP F280 278 021,8 0,03 ..../..../..../00.45 28967 /.....25253UN502 PEMAK F280 279 015,5 0,02 ..../..../..../00.47 29939 /.....25156UN502 PHILI F280 278 031,4 0,04 ..../..../..../00.51 31934 /.....24956UN502 RATKA F280 278 038,2 0,05 ..../..../..../00.56 34432 /.....24707UN502 KENUK F280 288 158,1 0,23 ..../..../..../01.19 45592 /.....23591UL739 SOMAX F280 280 115,8 0,16 ..../..../..../01.35 53363 /.....22814DCT 5120N F280 298 200,2 0,29 ..../..../..../02.04 67228 /.....21427DCT 5230N F280 294 378,4 0,51 ..../..../..../02.55 90919 /.....19058DCT 5440N F300 309 380,6 0,43 ..../..../..../03.38 110476/.....17102DCT 5550N F300 306 353,7 0,46 ..../..../..../04.24 130498/.....15100DCT VALIE F320 283 296,7 0,44 ..../..../..../05.08 149237/.....13226N250E YBC 117.70 F320 263 463,8 1,12 ..../..../..../06.20 178883/.....10262N250E YRI 113.90 F320 236 099,0 0,14 ..../..../..../06.34 184454/.....97049J560 YQB 112.80 F320 253 104,4 0,15 ..../..../..../06.49 190122/.....91381J546 PESAC F320 266 025,0 0,04 ..../..../..../06.53 191513/.....89990J546 SOKYE F320 264 029,8 0,04 ..../..../..../06.57 193072/.....88431J546 UFX 0260.0 F320 264 025,6 0,03 ..../..../..../07.00 194410/.....87093J546 YMX 116.70 F320 262 043,9 0,06 ..../..../..../07.06 196694/.....84809J588 ULAMO F320 245 061,5 0,08 ..../..../..../07.14 199796/.....81707J588 YCF 113.50 F320 255 108,6 0,14 ..../..../..../07.28 205268/.....76235J586 YYZ 112.15 F320 257 092,6 0,12 ..../..../..../07.40 209898/.....71605J586 YXU 117.20 F320 251 076,0 0,10 ..../..../..../07.50 213621/.....67882J545 JLGON F340 212 030,2 0,03 ..../..../..../07.53 215246/.....66257J545 BROKK F340 213 016,3 0,02 ..../..../..../07.55 215936/.....65567J545 KEEHO F340 212 027,2 0,03 ..../..../..../07.58 217096/.....64407J545 DJB 113.60 F340 211 036,8 0,04 ..../..../..../08.02 218632/.....62871J29 PROTN F340 239 082,0 0,11 ..../..../..../08.13 222563/.....58940J29 ROD 117.50 F340 239 025,0 0,03 ..../..../..../08.16 223751/.....57752J29 FYLLS F340 235 035,4 0,05 ..../..../..../08.21 225403/.....56100J29 BIGXX F340 234 053,0 0,07 ..../..../..../08.28 227881/.....53622J29 KURTZ F340 236 035,1 0,04 ..../..../..../08.32 229514/.....51989J29 JUDDI F340 234 020,7 0,03 ..../..../..../08.35 230445/.....51058J29 IMPEL F340 235 038,6 0,05 ..../..../..../08.40 232204/.....49299J29 PXV 113.30 F340 232 041,2 0,05 ..../..../..../08.45 234126/.....47377* TOD SPKER D-033 WLDER4 SPKER F213 203 146,2 0,17 ..../..../..../09.03 239854/.....41649WLDER4 WLDER F159 227 015,0 0,02 ..../..../..../09.05 240343/.....41160I18L REISE 030 240 039,0 0,06 ..../..../..../09.11 240736/.....40767 KMEM 0,00 ..../..../..../09.12 24448 /.....37022[FF]WAYPOINTS AND WINDS : ENROUTEICAO FREQ LATITUDE LONGITUDE MAG WD

[phil747fan 14]

seems it cant ???!!!but again you can reduce fuel load and take more payload in exchange but only in sim in real ops no way to do this ..maybe that s why boeing made the ERF ??!!see you>thanks for all your help>i will try this tonight >so i am i correct to assume that the 747-400F cannot reach>4,000 miles fully loaded from east to west?>and has to take a payload penelty?>>>a3ifs40>>