Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding a l...

[cavaricooper 2,615]

Hi All-This is a topic that comes up at least a few times each week. I am in pursuit of the "Holy Grail" of approaches, and a a bit confused with all the various postings on this topic. Could we develop "An Idiot's Guide to adding Kai Tak to the PMDG FMS?" I already have the scenery file (using Kai Tak 98) and it looks wonderful. BTW I am hoping to add Mr. Kwong's Chep Lok today (will it work together with the Kai Tak scenery without issue?).I'm thinking af a step by step procedure, with all necessary insertion text in correct font and spacing, SID/STAR info and helpful tips- all in one reference compliation.Anyway, if we could get our best minds together to help the rest of us dim-wits accomplish this I would be most grateful. There seems to be enough interest to work on this project so..........thank-you in advance!Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

[lefteris 70]

If you guys decide to do this, go ahead and add it to the PMDG wiki, at http://ops.precisionmanuals.com/wikiThat way, it'll stay there for good!

[G-CIVA 62]

Carl,This is a long one but stay with it....I have made my own hybrid SID/STAR file, but where possible I have used current STARs as I have found that this makes my flight planning to Kai Tak much easier (I am still on AIRAC 0806)& I do still fly there regularly.I have also created a very accurate (well in my opinion??) rendition of the IGS proceedure, with all the correct DME fixes etc, this was created in conjunction with my own AFCAD file, during a few late nights at the sim.You can find some excellent apprach charts for Kai Tak by visiting the Cathay Pacific Airways Virtual website & following the link to Kai Tak.I have found that most of the addon scenery can be a frame rate killer (just when you don't need it!!) so if anybody knows where I can find JUST the approach lighting it would be useful.As for the IGS approach....well long post but here goes....its not the diffinitive by a long shot but it works for me!!!Lets assume you have the a/c (B744) set up for a flap 30 ldg, autobrake 2, with the IGS 111.90/088 manually tuned into the FMC Nav Rad page, MDA set to 680. Its also handy to have your comm panel set up so you are able to hear the approach markers, CH & TH VORs tuned as well as the RW NDB (377) I also suggest you use fairly clear weather the first couple of times.You decend inbound to the CH VOR overhead at 8000' the continuing the decent initially to 6000' outbound on the 270 radial to waypoint 'Golf' at the 7 DME/270R from CH, at this stage I am slowing the a/c down to 220kts & getting Flap 1 deployed. Then its down to 4500' turning right onto HDG 045 to intercept the IGS inbound cse of 088, further slowing below 200kts & getting back to Flap 10 - not forgetting to arm the LOC mode on the MCP!!If you time this segment nicely you will intercepting the LOC beam at about 10-11 NM out at 180kts with Flap 10, arming the G/S mode on your MCP, well before the G/S beam comes alive. You will also get a nice view of Chep Lap Kok (VHHH) below you during the turn!!Continue down the LOC & intercept the G/S normally (once gear down/Flap 20 ARM those spoilers!!!) aiming to be at VREF + 10 kts with Flap 25 as you decend through approx 9 DME prior to the OM. You should then be in a perfect position to get back to Flap 30 & VREF + 10 Kts overhead the OM at approx 1720'. Complete the landing checklist & once you have Flap 30 Green reset your HDG on the MCP to 136, ensure you still have 4500 still dialed into the ALT window just in case of the Go -Around.Once your happy you have her in a stable approach configuration get rid of the A/P, FD & the A/T & continue the approach until minimums. You can push left of the LOC centre-line in good visual condidtions in order to give you a shallower turn onto short final, but if the conditions are marginal keep it on the numbers down to 680'.At MDA (or before) commence the right turn.As for the turn try to set her up into a constant rate initially, adjusting as you go with a bit more or less bank as required. I normally input 17-20 degrees initially, depending on the wind, you may need less or slightly more, 25 degs is the most I have ever needed.Keep that rate of decent at 600-700 fpm, no more or you will get low obviously. Use your throttles, with a slight nose pitch up for decent rate control in the turn. Always try to maintain VREF + 10 Kts.You should roll out of the turn at approx 400-350 AGL lined up on a very short final. Make your adjustments at this stage small ones as you are very near to the ground.Flare & land normally, or if it does'nt look right execute a G/A immediately. Do not try & will her onto the rwy or you will look like the KAL 744 we have all watched in the video!!!!The bottom line is if you cannot see the RWY environment by MDA, or if you are not happy at any stage - execute a G/A immediately. This must be by the MM during the MDA segment anyway.During the G/A get the F/D back on to give you the correct pitch indications.Cannot say more than that really, its just simple plain old 'seat of the pants' stuff, not forgetting the huge amount of inertia you have with a 250 ton piece of metal behind you, I wish that bit could be replicated in the virtual world!!It took me plenty of practice to get any where near an acceptable standard of accuracy, but just like the real world you need to be prepared that you will not get it right every time!!! This is what makes it so much FUN!!!If you want to have a look at my AFCAD & SID STAR file send me an e-mail.Regards

[cavaricooper 2,615]

Good, some progress- Lefteris, I am honored you are part of this post- indeed- I will upload to Wiki as soon as comprehensive data is available.Steve, thanks for your posting- great. Now if we can get some people to chime in with the actual file edits.......Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

[G-CIVA 62]

Carl,Sorry mate, I am not at home at the mo, I can upload AFCAD & SID/STAR FILE tomorrow luchtime when I get home, is there an idiots guide on how to do this anyone??Regards

[cavaricooper 2,615]

Ok some more success- here's what I have done so far......FIRSTGot the scenery from Avsim- search for Kiatak98.zipSECONDGot the SID/STARS from NavData (Old Hong Kong VHHX)http://www.navdata.at/php/sidstar/dl_list.php?addon=PMDGTHIRDBacked-up the WpNavAPT.txt AND airports.dat fileFOURTHFollowed the instructions in this post....http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...28457&mode=fullFIFTHFlew the approach!Still having an issue with auto-tuning, CH and SL both show on the Nav Display, however the radio does not auto tune....despite the IGS13 approach available in APPDEP.....?? I was able to manually tune 111.9/088 and execute....?? Also, when forming route VHHXVHHX the CO and SL and IGS Procedure show ok (incluging magenta confirmed FP for LNAV), but FMS calculated 700 odd miles to VHHX and with the fuel load set for a light approach, kept giving me INSUFFICIENT FUEL messages. I knew the actual distance so I kept clearing the message- just annoying......... The FMS read all the other distances, including TH fine.....Maybe one of our experts can look at my files.....or hazard a guess as to what the issue is.....anyway success in the Baron....total disaster in the 400F...........WONDERFUL!!!!!Thanks to all- and esp. to PMDG- nothing beats this bird!Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

[cavaricooper 2,615]

Wow..what a rush, cajoling 600,000 lbs of airframe on to a curved approach and actually touching down without incident. Turning off 13 I saw the Fire Trucks, and just for a moment found myself in the cockpit of Cathay 561 (from the Google Video)....Still a mess as far as radio tuning/FMS, but at CG I disconnected everything and hand flew to to the runway..........WOW!Some pics for fun.......anyone know, is it an afcad, file edit or ??? issue re. the radio/fms probs....... TIACarl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

[G-CIVA 62]

Carl,Nice one mate, BTW what sort of frame rate were you getting with the scenery????With regard to the auto tuning of the IGS (KL), an entry must be added to one of the files in your AIRAC, can't remember which one though. This should then auto tune once rwy selection is made. Have not done this myself yet, I will have to use the same co-ordinate info as in my AFCAD file, will have a look at it tomorrow night.I will paste my SID/STAR file into a post tomorrow night, but as I said it will only work with my AFCAD unless I reprogramme the co-ordinates from the addon scenery AFCAD (time consuming!!!).Keep on flying the approach until you feel relaxed & can anticipate your next move.Regards

[cavaricooper 2,615]

Steve, I stay pretty much at 23.8 FPS 99% of the time. Reading all the other postings, I am quite happy with that on my legacy machine AMD 64 3500.............no dual core, but nVidia 7900 card....2 gigsCarl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

[downscc 1,327]

The ILS info is included with each runway in the wpNavAPT.txt file.The two entries I have left over from last time this came up are:Hong Kong VHHX31 10930316 22.304401 114.216064000.0031600000Hong Kong VHHX13 10930136 22.324850 114.193176000.0013600000Adjust the spacing with space bar (not tab key) to line up with existing entries.These need to be inserted into the file as separate lines after each cycle updates because it is an inactive airport and not included in current data.The airports.dat file needs the following line inserted:VHHX 22.316959 114.202621The third file is the VHHX.txt file for sidstars.Hope this helps.

[GTI1741 0]

There is a big Fly-In to Hong Kong this weekend, Saturday March 03 from 11:00-15:00z. Last time VHHX_TWR came on when there was traffic. Read here for the details: http://www.vatsea.net/?go=eventsHere's everyones chance to do the IGS 13 approach into KaiTak on-line with Vatsim and of course the PMDG 737 or 747!!!See you there,Ken

[G-CIVA 62]

Carl,As promised here is my SID/STAR file for VHHX, make a copy of your current file & stick it somewhere safe, then copy the data below into your VHHX file. This also includes the direct feed & racetrack feeds to the Rwy 13 Visual approach - even more fun.The STARs are more recent & the same as those for VHHH ending at the CH VOR for the IGS 13 Approach.Same detail with the AFCAD, SAVE THE ORIGINAL somewhere safe then add mine & away you go!!EnjoySteve B// VHXX - HONG KONG KAI TAK INTL// Copyrighted 25/04/2006 by Steve BELL// Data from 10/9/1997.FIXESFIX A LATLON N 22 16.200 E 115 08.600FIX C LATLON N 21 17.480 E 113 36.300FIX D LATLON N 21 20.060 E 114 31.480FIX GOLF LATLON N 22 12.550 E 113 54.180FIX J LATLON N 22 19.490 E 114 28.540FIX K LATLON N 21 52.300 E 114 41.300FIX LIMA LATLON N 22 08.071 E 114 24.230 FIX M LATLON N 21 17.800 E 113 15.600FIX N LATLON N 22 17.400 E 115 11.400FIX O LATLON N 21 51.018 E 114 14.252FIX Q LATLON N 21 19.800 E 114 43.700FIX T LATLON N 21 12.200 E 113 43.600FIX W LATLON N 22 01.599 E 114 30.360FIX KL15 LATLON N 22 19.040 E 113 56.350FIX KL9 LATLON N 22 19.450 E 114 02.700FIX OM13 LATLON N 22 19.710 E 114 06.830FIX KL4.8 LATLON N 22 19.740 E 114 07.340FIX KL2.2 LATLON N 22 19.940 E 114 10.400FIX IHK12 LATLON N 22 10.040 E 114 22.150FIX IHK3 LATLON N 22 16.290 E 114 15.160FIX MM13 LATLON N 22 19.960 E 114 10.700FIX MM31 LATLON N 22 17.450 E 114 13.870FIX CH LATLON N 22 13.173 E 114 01.803FIX CH5.5 COLOCATED CH 045 05.5FIX CH10 COLOCATED CH 225 10FIX CC LATLON N 22 12.100 E 114 01.600FIX TH LATLON N 22 14.300 E 114 17.300FIX SC LATLON N 22 19.200 E 114 07.900FIX RW LATLON N 22 19.600 E 114 11.500FIX SL LATLON N 22 17.500 E 113 54.400FIX ACORN LATLON N 20 17.6 E 114 44.1FIX ASTRA LATLON N 22 16.5 E 115 11.6FIX BAKER LATLON N 21 13.020 E 114 39.070FIX BEKOL LATLON N 22 32.6 E 114 8FIX CHERY LATLON N 20 22.8 E 115 05.0FIX CORAL LATLON N 20 51.520 E 113 05.070FIX MANGO LATLON N 21 36.490 E 114 30.530FIX MELON LATLON N 22 16.2 E 115 00.8FIX DOTMI LATLON N 22 43.060 E 116 10.050FIX ELATO LATLON N 22 19.600 E 117 30.000FIX ENVAR LATLON N 22 01.600 E 114 30.360FIX DUMOL LATLON N 19 00.000 E 114 23.180FIX IDOSI LATLON N 19 00.000 E 112 30.000FIX DUMOL LATLON N 19 00.000 E 114 26.800FIX DAGON LATLON N 19 05.180 E 111 51.540FIX SIKOU LATLON N 20 50.360 E 111 30.000FIX KILOG LATLON N 21 52.270 E 114 41.370FIX MAGOG LATLON N 22 17.460 E 115 49.300FIX CH055 LATLON N 22 17.046 E 114 05.208FIX CH010 LATLON N 22 06.046 E 113 54.113FIX CH117 LATLON N 21 56.075 E 114 40.464FIX CH132 LATLON N 21 47.186 E 114 34.424FIX CH001 LATLON N 21 43.140 E 115 44.290FIX CH013 LATLON N 21 40.497 E 114 42.544FIX CH190 LATLON N 21 33.249 E 113 58.487FIX CH175 LATLON N 21 33.194 E 114 07.007FIX CH021 LATLON N 21 30.344 E 113 33.222FIX CH015 LATLON N 21 28.499 E 114 26.571FIX CH020 LATLON N 21 26.574 E 113 40.505FIX CH019 LATLON N 21 23.286 E 113 54.197FIX CH017 LATLON N 21 23.218 E 114 08.187FIX KAPLI LATLON N 21 10.000 E 117 30.000FIX CH002 LATLON N 21 08.170 E 115 23.420FIX CH004 LATLON N 20 47.560 E 113 05.120FIX CH003 LATLON N 20 44.250 E 114 51.500FIX NOMAN LATLON N 20 00.000 E 116 40.300FIX CH100 LATLON N 21 51.420 E 115 47.000FIX ROBIN LATLON N 21 02.450 E 114 16.060FIX SABNO LATLON N 18 59.100 E 115 50.700FIX SIERA LATLON N 21 59.2 E 113 33.2FIX TAMOT LATLON N 22 21.500 E 113 52.000FIX HERON LATLON N 21 19.8 E 113 53.6FIX SIKOU LATLON N 20 50.6 E 111 30.0FIX GINJA LATLON N 20 39.8 E 112 02.3ENDFIXESRNWSRNW 13RNW 31ENDRNWSSIDSSID BEKOL1A FIX BEKOL RNW 13 FIX TH FIX LIMA AT OR BELOW 7000 FIX J 7000 FIX BEKOL 11800SID BEKOL2C FIX BEKOL RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX TH 11000 FIX BEKOL 11800SID DOTMI1A FIX DOTMI RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX DOTMISID DOTMI2C FIX DOTMI RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX DOTMISID ELATO1A FIX ELATO RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX ELATOSID ELATO2C FIX ELATO RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX ELATOSID ENVAR1A FIX ENVAR RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 FIX KILOG AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ENVARSID ENVAR2C FIX ENVAR RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX O 9000 FIX KILOG AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ENVARSID NOMAN1A FIX NOMAN RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 136 INTERCEPT RADIAL 117 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH117 FIX NOMANSID NOMAN2C FIX NOMAN RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX O HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 120 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH117 FIX NOMANSID SABNO1A FIX SABNO RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 154 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH132 FIX SABNOSID SABNO2C FIX SABNO RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX O HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 179 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH132 FIX SABNOSID DUMOL1A FIX DUMOL RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX DUMOL SID DUMOL2C FIX DUMOL RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 194 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX DUMOLSID IDOSI1A FIX IDOSI RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX IDOSISID IDOSI2C FIX IDOSI RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 194 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX IDOSISID DAGON1A FIX DAGON RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 199 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH020 FIX DAGONSID DAGON2C FIX DAGON RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 203 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH020 FIX DAGONSID SIKOU1A FIX SIKOU RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX SIKOU SID SIKOU2C FIX SIKOU RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 194 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX SIKOUENDSIDSSTARSSTAR DAGON1A FIX DAGON FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR DAGON1B FIX DAGON FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR DOTMI1A FIX DOTMI FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON 15000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR DOTMI1B FIX DOTMI FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON 15000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR DUMOL1A FIX DUMOL FIX ACORN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR DUMOL1B FIX DUMOL FIX ACORN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR ELATO1A FIX ELATO FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON AT OR ABOVE 15000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR ELATO1B FIX ELATO FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON AT OR ABOVE 15000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR IDOSI1A FIX IDOSI FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR IDOSI1B FIX IDOSI FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR NOMAN1A FIX NOMAN FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR NOMAN1B FIX NOMAN FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR SABNO1A FIX SABNO FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR SABNO1B FIX SABNO FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR SIERA2A FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR SIERA2B FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR SIERA2C FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR SIERA2D FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31STAR SIKOU1A FIX SIKOU FIX GINJA FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13STAR SIKOU1B FIX SIKOU FIX GINJA FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31ENDSTARSAPPROACHESAPPROACH IGS13 FIX CH 8000 FIX OVERFLY GOLF 6000 FIX SL 4500 SPEED 220 FIX KL15 4500 SPEED 180 FIX KL9 FIX OM13 1730 FIX KL4.8 FIX KL2.2 0680 FIX MM13 FIX RW RNW 13 HOLD AT FIX TH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 316 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1APPROACH DFI_VIS13 FIX CH10 4500 FIX CH 2700 FIX CH5.5 FIX SC FIX KL2.2 0680 FIX MM13 FIX RW RNW 13 HOLD AT FIX TH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 316 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1APPROACH RTFI_VIS13 HOLD AT FIX CH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 045 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 2 FIX OVERFLY CH5.5 FIX OVERFLY SC SPEED 160 FIX KL2.2 0680 FIX MM13 FIX RW RNW 13 HOLD AT FIX TH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 316 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1APPROACH ILS31 FIX LIMA 4500 FIX IHK12 FIX TH 2000 FIX IHK3 FIX MM31 RNW 31 FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH HOLD AT FIX CH LEFT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 270 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1ENDAPPROACHES

[tunnelcat 1]

Carl,Did you get the file vhxx.zip from the Avsim library? It has some of the SID/STARS for Kai Tak runway 13 and 31 tells you where to install them into your PMDG database for use with the FMS and it should work since you have the Kai Tak 98 file installed in FS9. I've been flying these approaches while using the 747 FMS with the above files. You can even use the holding pattern at the CH VOR when coming into Kai Tak in preparation for final approach to runway 13. Fun!Kim

[roland 28]

Thanks Steve. Just a quick question about adding your details to the AFCAD file. I have the "af2_VHHX_ils_jv.bgl" which has come together with the scenery. Do I really have to add all your text to that file, and if yes, where, on top or at the bottom?Roland

[mcbellette 145]

Does anyone know of any GOOD Kai Tak (VHHX) freeware scenery available on the net? If you could provide a website name and filename to assist with locating it, I'd be most grateful!Thanks,