Wingflex in 737?

[Guest Jacob Lee]

Good day all. I was wondering if anyone could tell me why there is no wingflex simulated in the PMDG 737NG. I don't fly it very often because there is no wingflex (no wingflex makes it look "ugly" in the sky and unrealistic). Also, does PMDG plan on fixing this? Thanks.-- Jake

[MarkRey 16]

I'm gonna stick mine out and say that the original 737 is years done, and one cannot reasonably expect such a major mod at this point. However you will no doubt see w/f with the all new 737NG for FSX.RegardsMark

[Tabs 2,790]

Jake,How many 737's have you been on? I've been on more than I can count and you very rarely see any flexing in the wings, they're too short and strong for it to happen really regularly like you see on planes with longer spans like the 777 and 747. Yes, there's some visible during turbulence, but it isn't much.Our NG is an FS 2002 product that was ported to FS 2004, it's something over 4 years old at this point, definitely not going to be any additions to it. If the lack of such a small detail makes the aircraft unflyable, perhaps this isn't the right product for you. We are far more about simulating the cockpit systems of the aircraft, which I think is how most of our customers prefer it. There are other companies out there who offer a million pieces of eye candy on their models, but no realism in the cockpit where it matters to a pilot.

[MarkRey 16]

Is the inference then that PMDG will not be including this feature on mid sized jets period? If so that is unfortunate - dynamic wing flex where applicable has become par for the course on modern models, natural evolution it seems, like round surfaces as opposed to 'sided' ones.Taken to it's logical conclusion, like full sized sims, absolutely nothing about the external model matters if the focus is the cockpit. I think it is unfortunate when the 'game' aspect of this hobby is relegated to insignificance in the pursuit of systems fidelity when mutual exclusion is clearly unnecessary, as proven by PMDG themselves, and others.regards,Mark

[Tabs 2,790]

I said nothing of the sort about future products - I would fully expect the NGX to have it, but my guess is that we'll still have people complaining because they expect to see them flapping like a butterfly or something... The point is just that we focus on the actual simulation foremost, but that said, Vin's reputation for external models also speaks for itself and the future aircraft will build upon what we've already got with the 744. (which does have wing flex :) )

[Guest Jacob Lee]

> but my guess is that we'll>still have people complaining because they expect to see them>flapping like a butterfly or something... Whoa champ. This is the first time I have heard someone from PMDG say they work hardest on and care most about is the cockpit, not the "eye candy." No offense intended.-- Jake

[MarkRey 16]

I like butterflies :+ :) you don't like pwetty butterfwies?? Thanks for the clarity Ryan. No such complaints from me that's for sure - reality outside is what I'm after, and if I seem passionate about flex it's just that static wings for me are just soooo..retro My 744's best-I've-ever-seen dynamic flex is exactly what I meant when I said PMDG itself has proven that candy outside/systems inside are not mutually exclusive :) I'm greatly looking forward to all things PMDG - you guys are one of my main motivations for keeping my ear to the ground re FSX and it's (jet ops) future.regards,Mark

[skyymann 6]

I'm with Ryan here. Been on a lot of 737s and I don't want to see much wing flex. THat would be bad :-)Scott

[MarkRey 16]

For clarity to you Scott - I personally do NOT want to see 747-like flapping/flex on a 737 or A320, just an approximation of the more sedate real-lifelike motion and bend. This as opposed to total stiffness, which is also unrealistic.regards,Mark

[HighFlyer310 21]

I dont get the problem here... go pay a visit to http://www.flightlevel350.comwatch some videos of 737's via PAX perspective and tell me how much you see the wing flexing. The movement is so miniscule that it would be pointless to simulate, im not even sure if its at all possible to program such small deviations.

[Guest Jacob Lee]

>I dont get the problem here... go pay a visit to>http://www.flightlevel350.com>>watch some videos of 737's via PAX perspective and tell me how>much you see the wing flexing. The movement is so miniscule>that it would be pointless to simulate, im not even sure if>its at all possible to program such small deviations. None of you have seen wingflex in a 737? Here are some quick photos I pulled: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1181...=1181601&size=L http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1181...=1181000&size=L http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1180...=1180887&size=L http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1180...=1180782&size=L

[MarkRey 16]

Very interesting :) this - based on a little research for my own edification the NG series of aircraft have a new, larger wing http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Boe...Video-6768.htmlwhereas the older 737s' wings are quite stiff http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1182493/M/As for modeling the NG bend/motion - POSKY comes to mind, also SGA,on both 737 and newer md8x. At the end of the day,as indicated by Ryan, Vin will produce cutting edge external models with which I am sure we will all be ectatic :)regards,Mark

[Jack C 8]

>For clarity to you Scott - I personally do NOT want to see>747-like flapping/flex on a 737 or A320, just an approximation>of the more sedate real-lifelike motion and bend. This as>opposed to total stiffness, which is also unrealistic.>>regards,>MarkActually you SHOULD want to see wing flex. Wing flex is good. It may give you the impression of a weak wing but is actually quite opposite. A flexxing wing will offer you a smoother ride in turbulence too. The wing will take the absorption of the "bumps" while the cabin will be less prone to bouncing with the wing. The 737, for a short aircraft wing span has quite a bit of flex. More than the A320 I tell you. Just watch a 737NG taxxing next time and wait till it hits a bump on the taxiway and watch the wing. It's all over the place. Jack

[JOR 0]

Both vids pretty nice. With winglets it's easier to see what kind of flex it's got:http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Boe...Video-8038.htmlhttp://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Boe...Video-8043.htmlJohn