B747 & B74F performance vs. the manual

[phil747fan 14]

Claus,i definetly agree about the facts that this is not that to plan a flight for the Lady but this why pilots are "old" and dispatchers not newbie lol ... so in the same time you must be a pilot with experiences and a dispatcher and im not talking about all rules you need to apply (Weather, radio etc FAR or JAR ops... ) and with only one guy and the reality is working as a team (CRM applies not only in the cockpit ...) and i can add more but im pretty sure you understand me ...now back to the lady i ve done long flights and not only by testing but as a member of Virtual airline with flight follower acars and reports.here s the one very interesting as im using the datas for F version the fuel is less ...this is a long flight KLAX RCTPAIRCRAFT B744--CF6-GE STD 19.00Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400F STA 09.10Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 6163 TRACK INDEX 104 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 6543 COMPONENT H028 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM LRC CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN KG BIAS 1000 ZFW 222000 222000 TAXI 0,00 TOF 157347 163396 RCTP 144,53 13.43 TOW 379347 394626 RR20 0,00 00.00 TIF 144528 RCKH* 5,16 00,33 FL120 LW 234819 285764 FR 4,42 00.30 REM 12819 CF 0,00 HF 0,00 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO ERO 3,24 00.27 RCNN* 5,14 00,32 FL110 MIN 157,35 15,13 ADD 0,00 ACT 157,35 NOTES : - CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY - BASED ON FIX WIND CALCULATION - ADD FUEL STOPS/EROPS 3,24 INCLUDED RTE VIA : GMN4-GMN / DCT-EHF / DCT-BTG / DCT-TOU / J523-YZP / TRK19-FRIED / DCT-57N40 / DCT-59N50 / DCT-61N60 / DCT-NOSHO / R220-NEONN / G349-MARCC / G583-MVE / DCT-CHE / DCT-HWE / Y12-TAPPI / Z16-JEC / V54-HKC / A1-ANNNA / (Q06-SEDUM) DIST 6163 GCI 104 CP H028 ESAD 6543 CRSM LRC FLIGHT PROFILE : BTG/F280 - TOU/F300 - FRIED/F320 - NOSHO/F330 - BESAT/S1010 - IRKAN/S0960 - GEFAR/S1060 - BUMEN/F348 - LATAK/S1060 - MVE/F348 - HWE/F360 - OSTAR/F380 as you can see there is no Route Reserve because we legally "cheated" and tell authorities that we can Reclear In Flight RIF in the case we dont have enough reserve of fuel or we encounter winds the computer didnt find ...so- PBR PLANNING : RJAA / DECISION POINT : G583 BUMEN BIAS 1000 TAXI 0,00 RJAA 105,13 09.09 RR20 7,23 00.38 FR 4,42 00.30 CF 0,00 HF 0,00 ERO 3,24 00.23 MIN 120,02 ADD 37,33 ACT 157,35 NOTES : - CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY - BASED ON FIX WIND CALCULATION - ADD FUEL STOPS/EROPS 3,24 INCLUDED at BUMEN if we have 52 t of fuel or more (we can dream lol) we can continue to RCTP if less of course the RJAA will become our main destination for ATC ...!!!! in that case we save 7t of reserve not shown on the first part of the plan ... still remember to carry 1t extra it cost 4% every hour so means for 9 hours ie 36% (around ...) so to have 1t we carry in fact 1.360t ... or it remains only 640 kgs ...so calculation is very important for this part and we didnt talk about speed or CI selections and flight level ...fuel mileage penalty 2% above opt altitude and 1% below for LRC more with fixed .86 ...i didnt mention if ATC request a speed limitation at and below 10 000 feet and this is not that small around 800 kgs ...!!! for the climbing part ..!!! and example 295 kg/min every time you delay the landing gear to be retracted or extended too early ...!!!on cruise if you want to save a lot of fuel i will select CI 0 and will have 1.5% less fuel in need for 3.3% more time ...!!!but that s it for tonight.see youphil

[tcas_climb 45]

So like Ivan said, will there be any corrections to the manual or soemthing?

[Guest hansense]

Hi Phil, Thanks for posting the Los Angeles - Taipei flight and provide us with such a detailed description. It is very interesting. The ORD-HKG flight I was showing is recleared at WXI just after Beijing. Have you tried to perform your flight in PMDG?It could be great if one of the PMDG-guys could comment a little bit more on this as Bryan and Ivan are suggesting.Kind regards, Claus

[phil747fan 14]

>Hi Phil, >>Thanks for posting the Los Angeles - Taipei flight and provide>us with such a detailed description. It is very interesting.>The ORD-HKG flight I was showing is recleared at WXI just>after Beijing. Have you tried to perform your flight in PMDG?>>It could be great if one of the PMDG-guys could comment a>little bit more on this as Bryan and Ivan are suggesting.>>Kind regards, >>ClausClaus,ill post the details very soon of my flight if i can put my hands on the datas when i flown this flight with PMDG.but ill refly this flight as i was able to do it including the freight and easily if you manage the fuel ...mine was recleared close to RJCC but depending of the route and winds of course.see youphil

[phil747fan 14]

>Hi Phil, >>Thanks for posting the Los Angeles - Taipei flight and provide>us with such a detailed description. It is very interesting.>The ORD-HKG flight I was showing is recleared at WXI just>after Beijing. Have you tried to perform your flight in PMDG?>>It could be great if one of the PMDG-guys could comment a>little bit more on this as Bryan and Ivan are suggesting.>>Kind regards, >>ClausClaus,i ve made the flight this late evening and night and here are the results ...!!! 15NOV08 KLAX TO RCTP KGS CI020 IFRNONSTOP COMPUTED 2101Z/14NOV FOR ETD 0800Z PROGS 141218/141224/141230Z DISP RLSE 15NOV VOID 1200Z/15NOVICAO KLAX TO RJCC REDISP 43N160E TO RCTPIATA LAX TO CTS REDISP 43N160E TO TPEPD/RCLR KLAX/RJCC 43N160E/RCTP FUEL TIME DIST FUEL TIME DIST BURN 110392 11.03 4734 BURN 043766 05.40 2189RSV 10PCT 003023 00.22 RSV 10PCT 001278 00.10ALTN RJCJ 002500 00.15 0049 ALTN RCKH 005641 00.37 0198HOLD 003879 00.30 HOLD 003465 00.30CONTG 003098 00.23 CONTG 010000 01.20MIN REQD 122892 12.33 MIN REQD 064150 08.17 BURN KLAX/43N160E 092134 08.35 3764EXTRA 035508 04.23 EXTRA 002116 00.17TOTAL T/O 158400 16.56 TOTAL T/O 158400 17.09TAXI 002000 002000TOTAL BLOCK 160400 TOTAL BLOCK 160400BALLAST 000000 BALLAST 000000TOTAL FUEL 160400 TOTAL FUEL 160400LNDG FUEL 048008 LNDG FUEL 022500TOTAL T/O FUEL KLAX/RCTP VIA REDISP 158400 KGS ETE KLAX/RCTP 14.15SWA 000000 SWA 000000BOW 165393 BOW 165393PYLD 035043 PYLD 035043 -STRL LIMITS-ZFW 200436 ZFW 200436 MZFW 288030TOF 158400 TOF 158400TOW 358836 TOW 358836 MTOW 394246BURN 110392 BURN 135900LDW 248444 LDW 222936 MGLW 290000 W/C M042 NAM 5213 W/C M060 NAM 6803 2ND ALTN: NIL TOTAL 0REMARKS: BURNOFF ADJUSTMENT PER 1000 KGS - 0415TIME NAV SELECTED: ....(FPL--IN-B744/H-SDVW/C-KLAX0800-N0489F340 VTU5 RZS DCT LIBBO DCT BRINY DCT ALCOA DCT CEPAS/M084F340 DCT 42N140W 46N150W 48N160W 49N170W 48N180E/M085F360 46N170E 43N160E/M085F380 DCT CALMA OTR5 PABBA DCT KRE/M085F400 DCT SUKMO Y50 HKC A1 BULAN/N0482F400 A1 ANNNA AN1B-RCTP1415 RCKH-EET/KZAK0109 RJJJ0807 RCAA1338 REG/ PER/M084)15NOV08 KLAX TO RCTP KGS CI020 IFRNONSTOP COMPUTED 2102Z/14NOV FOR ETD 0800Z PROGS 141218/141224/141230Z DISP RLSE PAC1111 15NOV VOID 1200Z/15NOVICAO - KLAX TO RCTP IATA - LAX TO TPE FUEL TIME DIST PLAN ACTUAL STRUCBURN RCTP 136136 14.14 5953 SWA 000000RSV 10PCT 003794 00.30 BOW 165393 . . . .LIMITALTN RCKH 005641 00.37 00198 PYLD 035043 . . . .HOLD 003470 00.30 ZFW 200436 . . . .288030CONTG 010000 01.20 TOF 159041 . . . .MIN RQRD 159041 17.11 TOW 359477 . . . .394246EXTRA/TANK 000000 00.00 BURN 136136 . . . .TOTAL T/O 159041 17.11 LDW 223341 . . . .290000TAXI 002000 TOTAL BLOCK 161041 BALLAST 000000TOTAL FUEL 161041 2ND ALTN: NIL LNDG FUEL 022905 AVG W/C M060 NAM 6803 ALTN AVG W/C M031 NAM 0217REMARKS: BURNOFF ADJUSTMENT PER 1000 KGS - 0415TIME NAV SELECTED: ....(FPL--IN-B744/H-SDVW/C-KLAX0800-N0489F340 VTU5 RZS DCT LIBBO DCT BRINY DCT ALCOA DCT CEPAS/M084F340 DCT 42N140W 46N150W 48N160W 49N170W 48N180E/M085F360 46N170E 43N160E/M085F380 DCT CALMA OTR5 PABBA DCT KRE/M085F400 DCT SUKMO Y50 HKC A1 BULAN/N0484F400 A1 ANNNA AN1B-RCTP1414 RCKH-EET/KZAK0109 RJJJ0806 RCAA1338 REG/ PER/M084)what the real computer is giving to me .... and we made it yesss ...we land with 19.1t of remaining fuel ... a the redispatch point 43N160E we had 65.8t and we needed 64.1t so i decide to continue ... and it was a good decision ...