Hi guys,I got a question: I did with 767PIC the flight from LEMD (Madrid) to SPIM (Lima, Peru), it was about 12Hrs flight time. But afterwards I was looking at the Atlantic chart and it seems that I may have overextended the ETOPS limits, but I am not sure about that. So can the 767 do that specific flight, taking into account the ETOPS limits (I take 180minutes ETOPS)?Regards,Francois

bonsoir francois,in fact without taking the limit for take off due to lemd altitude it can be donehere s one route done tonight so if you follow strictly the route and weather here s the etops to followyou can use these links for chartinghttp://home.t-online.de/home/Gerd.Puppel/http://www.stegers.ch/comsheet.htmlfeel free to ask other question and happy flight ( a long one) ...------------------- FLIGHT PLAN ------------------ ACFT XXXXX CRZ M80 FLT NO TEST665 COMPUTED FOR LEMD/SPIM FOR ETD 23.00Z FUEL TIME DIST ARRIVE TAKEOFF LAND AV PLD OPNLWTPOA SPIM 129687 11.12 5216 10.20Z 407000 277312 060072 198000ALT SPCL 008800 00.42 0265 SECONDARY ALT-SPSO FUEL 004987HLD 004577 00.30 FOD 019241RES 005864 00.37 RES POLICY 5 PCT BURN ADD 000000 00.00REQD 148928 13.01XTR 000000 00.00TAXI 000400 00.05TOT 149328 13.06 UNITS LBS --- PLAN RUN AT MAX PAYLOAD ---LEMD NVS5C NVS UL185 CCS UN975 SNT DCT 30N020W DCT 23N030W DCT 18N035W DCT 14N040W DCT 07N050W DCT CYR UL306 KADEL KADEL1 SPIMLEMD/0310/23N030W/0320/18N035W/0350ETP FOR LEST/GCTS LOC N35337W013133 DIST 547 TIME 01:16LEMD/ETP BURNOFF 21830 GROSS WT AT ETP 385170BURN FM ETP 19938 TIME 01:13 TOTAL FUEL 41768 LVL OFF 19000TO LEST N42538W008249 493NM TDV P09 WCP P06TO GCTS N28027W016344 482NM TDV P11 WCP P08MAX MORA TO LEST 03400FT AT N42 05.7 W009 13.3MAX MORA TO GCTS 14500FT AT N28 25.5 W016 13.3ETP FOR GCTS/GVAC LOC N25344W026345 DIST 1463 TIME 03:13LEMD/ETP BURNOFF 46004 GROSS WT AT ETP 360996BURN FM ETP 21864 TIME 01:28 TOTAL FUEL 67867 LVL OFF 20000TO GCTS N28027W016344 556NM TDV P14 WCP P04TO GVAC N16445W022569 567NM TDV P15 WCP M14MAX MORA TO GCTS 10300FT AT N28 57.4 W017 34.5MAX MORA TO GVAC 05600FT AT N16 25.1 W024 34.5ETP FOR GVAC/TFFR LOC N12591W041307 DIST 2599 TIME 05:36LEMD/ETP BURNOFF 74097 GROSS WT AT ETP 332903BURN FM ETP 37174 TIME 02:57 TOTAL FUEL 111271 LVL OFF 22000TO GVAC N16445W022569 1099NM TDV P15 WCP P03TO TFFR N16159W061316 1178NM TDV P16 WCP P05MAX MORA TO GVAC 07500FT AT N16 24.5 W025 30.7MAX MORA TO TFFR 07200FT AT N16 12.2 W061 30.7ETP FOR TFFR/SVMI LOC N03207W053453 DIST 3530 TIME 07:32LEMD/ETP BURNOFF 95076 GROSS WT AT ETP 311924BURN FM ETP 27563 TIME 02:14 TOTAL FUEL 122639 LVL OFF 24000TO TFFR N16159W061316 901NM TDV P16 WCP P03TO SVMI N10364W066594 900NM TDV P16 WCP P09MAX MORA TO TFFR 07200FT AT N16 26.0 W061 45.3MAX MORA TO SVMI 15300FT AT N07 50.7 W060 45.3ETP FOR SVMI/SBCZ LOC S01461W058523 DIST 3964 TIME 08:27LEMD/ETP BURNOFF 104586 GROSS WT AT ETP 302414BURN FM ETP 26667 TIME 02:15 TOTAL FUEL 131253 LVL OFF 25000TO SVMI N10364W066594 887NM TDV P16 WCP P04TO SBCZ S07360W072462 901NM TDV P16 WCP P06MAX MORA TO SVMI 15300FT AT N07 06.9 W064 52.3MAX MORA TO SBCZ 04000FT AT S06 28.3 W070 52.3ETP FOR SBCZ/SPCL LOC S09493W072461 DIST 4927 TIME 10:30LEMD/ETP BURNOFF 124768 GROSS WT AT ETP 282232BURN FM ETP 5423 TIME 00:23 TOTAL FUEL 130191 LVL OFF 26000TO SBCZ S07360W072462 133NM TDV P14 WCP M04TO SPCL S08227W074345 138NM TDV P14 WCP M04MAX MORA TO SBCZ 25000FT AT S09 49.3 W072 46.1MAX MORA TO SPCL 25000FT AT S09 49.3 W072 46.1WIND P001 MXSH 02 CPT FL SOT TAS WIND AW COMP ZD ZT ETA/ATA CT ZFMSA FREQ LAT LONG MT MH DR TR REMLEMD N4028.3 W00333.7NVS CLB 00CLB 303 31602 DCT M02 032 0.06 .. / .. 0.09 0462010300 114.95 N4022.1 W00415.0 262 262 5184 11.03 144308CCS CLB 00CLB 421 27212 UL185 M11 113 0.16 .. / .. 0.25 0575610900 114.20 N3931.5 W00626.1 247 248 5071 10.47 138552TOC CLB 01CLB 471 25917 UN975 M16 030 0.04 .. / .. 0.29 012124900 247 248 5041 10.43 137340ELVAR 310 01M42 474 25612 UN975 M12 010 0.01 .. / .. 0.30 002894900 N3913.2 W00713.4 247 248 5031 10.42 137051ESP 310 01M42 474 25509 UN975 M09 104 0.14 .. / .. 0.44 029204900 112.50 N3825.5 W00911.1 247 247 4927 10.28 134131SNT 310 02M41 474 32910 UN975 P02 473 0.59 .. / .. 1.43 127478500 114.90 N3305.4 W01621.0 233 234 4454 9.29 12138430N020W 310 01M40 476 30627 DCT M06 263 0.34 .. / .. 2.17 070148500 N3000.0 W02000.0 233 236 4191 8.55 11437023N030W 310 01M38 478 25609 DCT M08 681 1.27 .. / .. 3.44 177801000 N2300.0 W03000.0 243 244 3510 7.28 09659018N035W 320 01M39 476 03007 DCT P07 411 0.51 .. / .. 4.35 100941000 N1800.0 W03500.0 239 239 3099 6.37 08649614N040W 350 00M47 469 33824 DCT P06 375 0.47 .. / .. 5.22 092191000 N1400.0 W04000.0 248 251 2724 5.50 07727707N050W 350 00M47 469 04911 DCT P11 724 1.31 .. / .. 6.53 165081000 N0700.0 W05000.0 253 253 2000 4.19 060769CYR 350 01M47 469 06312 DCT P12 193 0.24 .. / .. 7.17 042304200 115.10 N0448.8 W05222.1 245 245 1807 3.55 056539DABRA 350 01M47 469 01308 UL306 P07 040 0.05 .. / .. 7.22 008874200 N0419.4 W05249.4 241 241 1767 3.50 055652DORLI 350 01M46 469 35010 UL306 P06 055 0.07 .. / .. 7.29 012224200 N0339.4 W05327.3 241 242 1712 3.43 054430DIMAS 350 01M46 469 33813 UL306 P05 062 0.07 .. / .. 7.36 013685000 N0255.0 W05410.0 241 243 1650 3.36 053062SIROS 350 00M46 469 33314 UL306 P03 041 0.06 .. / .. 7.42 009215000 N0228.3 W05441.5 247 248 1609 3.30 052141ANSOX 350 00M46 469 32615 UL306 P03 077 0.10 .. / .. 7.52 016775000 N0133.4 W05535.7 242 243 1532 3.20 050464AKNIB 350 00M46 469 31814 UL306 P01 004 0.00 .. / .. 7.52 000835000 N0130.7 W05538.4 242 244 1528 3.20 050381LONAS 350 00M46 469 32113 UL306 P01 042 0.05 .. / .. 7.57 009215000 N0100.6 W05608.1 242 243 1486 3.15 049460ROGIN 350 00M46 469 31813 UL306 P01 101 0.13 .. / .. 8.10 021925000 S0011.0 W05718.6 241 243 1385 3.02 047268INPUT 350 00M46 469 31212 UL306 M01 060 0.08 .. / .. 8.18 013323000 S0054.4 W05801.3 241 242 1325 2.54 045936PUERA 350 00M46 469 30811 UL306 M01 010 0.01 .. / .. 8.19 002143000 S0101.3 W05808.2 241 242 1315 2.53 045722MAN 350 00M46 469 30308 UL306 M02 170 0.22 .. / .. 8.41 037213000 115.20 S0302.2 W06007.5 238 239 1145 2.31 042001ASUMI 350 00M46 469 30206 UL306 M03 025 0.03 .. / .. 8.44 005273000 S0314.1 W06029.1 255 255 1120 2.28 041474CHECK 350 00M46 469 30302 UL306 M01 023 0.03 .. / .. 8.47 004953000 S0325.4 W06049.4 255 255 1097 2.25 040979SALSA 350 00M46 469 26600 UL306 P00 153 0.20 .. / .. 9.07 032613000 S0439.4 W06304.1 254 254 0944 2.05 037718EGLER 350 01M47 469 12304 UL306 P02 081 0.10 .. / .. 9.17 017133000 S0518.3 W06415.3 253 252 0863 1.55 036005JOUST 350 02M46 469 11107 UL306 P05 031 0.04 .. / .. 9.21 006553000 S0533.2 W06442.7 252 252 0832 1.51 035350RITMO 350 02M46 469 09709 UL306 P07 019 0.03 .. / .. 9.24 004033000 S0542.4 W06459.7 252 251 0813 1.48 034947LANCE 350 02M46 469 08609 UL306 P08 092 0.11 .. / .. 9.35 019093000 S0626.1 W06620.4 251 250 0721 1.37 033038INTER 350 01M46 469 06104 UL306 P04 088 0.11 .. / .. 9.46 018273000 S0707.8 W06738.1 250 250 0633 1.26 031211ARTIK 350 01M46 469 02402 UL306 P02 062 0.08 .. / .. 9.54 012993000 S0737.5 W06834.0 249 249 0571 1.18 029912PALIO 350 01M46 469 03502 UL306 P02 009 0.01 .. / .. 9.55 001683000 S0741.4 W06841.2 248 248 0562 1.17 029744VERDE 350 01M46 469 01201 UL306 P01 053 0.07 .. / .. 10.02 011168900 S0806.8 W06929.2 249 249 0509 1.10 028628PANOL 350 00M46 469 26902 UL306 M02 070 0.09 .. / .. 10.11 014563000 S0839.6 W07031.7 249 249 0439 1.01 027172BOBAS 350 00M46 469 26504 UL306 M04 050 0.07 .. / .. 10.18 0103825000 S0902.8 W07116.2 248 248 0389 0.54 026134SELVA 350 00M46 469 28207 UL306 M05 061 0.07 .. / .. 10.25 0128425000 S0931.3 W07211.1 247 247 0328 0.47 024850TOD 350 00M46 469 31211 UL306 M04 233 0.30 .. / .. 10.55 0480425000 245 247 0095 0.17 020046KADEL DSC 01DSC 443 30610 UL306 M05 039 0.06 .. / .. 11.01 0017925000 S1135.8 W07617.2 244 245 0056 0.11 019867LIM DSC 00DSC 326 31703 DCT M01 055 0.10 .. / .. 11.11 0034621300 113.80 S1200.5 W07707.4 243 244 0001 0.01 019521SPIM DSC 02DSC 259 34108 DCT P01 001 0.01 .. / .. 11.12 0028121300 S1201.3 W07706.9 148 147 0000 0.00 019240 - - - - - - - - - - ALTERNATE ROUTING - - - - - - - - - -CPT FL SOT TAS WIND AW COMP ZD ZT ETA/ATA CT ZFMSA FREQ LAT LONG MT MH DR TR REMLIM CLB 00CLB 265 34505 DCT M06 001 0.02 .. / .. 0.02 0118121300 113.80 S1200.5 W07707.4 328 328 0264 0.40 018060GAVIL CLB 00CLB 373 30404 DCT P00 055 0.09 .. / .. 0.11 0367421300 S1115.2 W07635.2 035 034 0209 0.31 014386TOC CLB 01CLB 472 30907 DCT M01 063 0.08 .. / .. 0.19 0225825000 036 035 0146 0.23 012128TOD 370 01M52 461 33312 DCT M06 045 0.06 .. / .. 0.25 0085625000 037 035 0101 0.17 011272SPCL DSC 01DSC 379 32904 DCT M02 102 0.17 .. / .. 0.42 0083125000 S0822.7 W07434.5 037 036 0000 0.00 010441(FPL-TEST665-IS-B763/H-SHIXW/C-LEMD2300-N0474F310 NVS5C NVS UL185 CCS UN975 SNT DCT 30N020W/M080F310 23N030W/N0476F320 18N035W/N0469F350 14N040W 07N050W DCT CYR UL306 KADEL KADEL1-SPIM1112 SPCL SPSO-EET/LPPC0030 GVSC0423 GOOO0449 TTZP0458 SOOO0555 SMPM0739 SBAZ0742 SPIM1027 REG/XXXXX SEL/ PER/M080 DOF/040929)FIRS LPPC/2330 LPPO/0056 GCCC/0117 LPPO/0159 GVSC/0323FIRS GOOO/0349 TTZP/0358 SOOO/0455 SMPM/0639 SBAZ/0642FIRS SPIM/0927

Hey,Thanks a lot for all this information and the links: Now I need to do some reading, get the charts and prepare for the flight.The calculations for the ETP are exactly what I was looking for.I actually flew that route in real life (LEMD-SPIM) last february onboard a A340-600 (en return onboard a A340-300). It's a 12hrs long flight!!Thanks for your help,Francois

Hi,I live in SPIM and have done that flight many times...with Iberia...same..A340 600 or 300.Apparently Air Madrid does the route as well...on a 330 200.As soon as we have PIC2 I will try it with the 767.I used to work for Air Canada who handled Air Mauritus...at that time they bought a 767 and flew it direct Seattle to Port Luis, a record. It then flew to London where I met the flight.... so if you feel like a long run...try Seattle to Port Luis!!Cheers,Paul ( SPIM )

Hi Paul,The flight you mention, is it that famous 16, or 17hrs delivery flight? (I can't remember how long it was, but that was a long flight from what I have read about it a few years ago!!I didn't realise that Air Madrid was doing Madrid to Lima with 330-200.I quite enjoyed my flight between Madrid and Lima and did enjoy a lot my stay in Peru!!Cheers,Francois

Hello Francois,Air Madrid just started service between LEMD and SPIM. It's very cheap from this end, like $650 return. Not sure if it stops en route or flies direct.The 767 flight was that famous flight. If was delivered Seattle to Port Luis then flew to London. I met it then with the Air Mauritus rep, who posed for some photos for the airport newspaper. It has that new smell.In my 15 years I worked at EGLL for AC and AA I was lucky to have seen many great things. A brand new 747 300 for Varig..as well as taking a flight with Malaysian's brand new A330 from Karachi to Delhi. I've seen a 767 that made a heavy nose wheel landing and had a 2cm crack in the airframe! ( PIC claimed windshear ). I was lucky to board a few royal aircraft.. a Thai DC10 with a 4 poster bed and the late King Hussein's personal Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan L1011 that he used to fly in and out to keep up his hours.Many happy memories.Now I live down here in Lima.. a great place to live. Just spent last week up on Titicaca... Flew on LAN's A320 to Juliaca. That's one of the world's highest airports at 3920m. Not far off La Paz's El Alto at 4005mAnyway.. glad you enjoyed Peru.Cheers,Paul

Hi Paul,I guess working in EGLL must be quite fascinating, it's a mad place, so much traffic there!!I went to Peru last February for 3 weeks, flew direct from Madrid to Lima. We had some internal flights too: Arequipa to Cuzco, superb scenery, onboard a F28, flew from Juliaca to Arequipa, that was a long take off roll onboard a 727 (superb view over Titicaca after take off), then flew Arequipa to Lima (still onboard a 727).I stayed in Miraflores while I was in Lima, that was a great trip and I just want to go back to South America and to Peru!Regards,Francois