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I guess there is something heavily wrong with the database. Hope it is fixable.Alex

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Alex,Tom yanked them, due to the kids in the Screen Shot forum misusing the ratings system. The system was originally put in place to recognize those that contribute positively to the forums. The kiddies in the SS forum turned it into a type of "reward currency?" if you will. They also just began using it to flame each other :-lolThe only thing that needs fixing is the maturity level of some folks around here.Rogerhttp://rwlsportscards.com/images/sigs/avsig3.gif

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We would need to 'fix' some of the users of AVSIM's forums, not the database ;-) :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Not anytime soon I would think. It has been deteriorating quickly in the past few months and there is no way to control what people put in it. The AVSIM staff were getting more and more requests to 'change ratings' given by others that owners were not happy with (and rightly so in many cases). We just cannot do that.And we also do not want it to be a backdoor flaming service.The forums we can moderate, the ratings we can not. Now, if we could get enough 'social control' back in the forums and have readers educate each other as to create a more mature attitude towards communicating with their fellow users, then perhaps....... ;-) :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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>We would need to 'fix' some of the users of AVSIM's forums, >not the database ;-) >> :-outta Francois :-wave >________________________ >Francois A. "Navman" Dumas >Associate Editor & >Forums Administrator >AVSIM Online! >email: fdumas@avsim.com >________________________ Amen!!!While I empathize with Tom et al, I have just a small idea what happens behind the scenes for moderators.I

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I agree! True, I miss my little stars (will have to wear trousers now)...but. I'll live, and be here, and people will know me, and I will know them. I guess I'll just have to rely upon who I am?(egad! just like in the REAL world!) :-)Fix:[effects]/tee_hee_factor=fx Tee HeeWhine_scalar=0.000Maturity_scalar=4.000

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Trouble is, there are just wauy too many of these incidents and we are only a few moderators, all with full time day (and sometimes night) jobs. Managing the forums is a pretty big task at times already.... and remember, we would like to be here to help people, not to police them. Then having to handle rating system abuses, email and chat abuses and forum abuse all on top of that is just too much too handle and not worth the additional effort.We are not taking the road of least resistance, but sometimes there is no other road. This is one of those instances. Sometimes closing down a whole thread is another.... :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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I would sure know how to fix 'em users.First step: Instead of the rating stars give 'em a pig's face.Scnd step: Bann them.I want my stars back.Alex

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Personally I was a bit surprised how the ratting system worked on this site. On most forums you accumulate ratings or "stars" with the number of posts you make. The way this system is/was set up here seemed like a "Good-Ole-Boy-Club". Where a small group of people would rate users and most people would not. You could have hundreds of quality posts and have only one or two stars. While others may have only 100 posts have a full constellation.I think that if they bring it back it should be based on the number of posts you make. Leave the comment section in the profiles, but the stars should be based on # of posts not # of peers.[br][br][div align=center][br][link:members.cox.net/fstimes/wetimage.html]Click Here For Weather Image of the Day!

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Francois, I agree with you and understand your attitude fully. Sadly, those instances of childish bashing and bad-mouthing seems to be getting more common by the day...not just on this forum, and no amount of "disciplinary" means such as removing posts or locking threads seems to be able to stop them. Personally I'm convinced that this can be attributed only to the fact that people do not need to look their opposites in the eye when posting on forums...and sometimes they even do not need to register at all to be able to post. True, even the obligation to register with email address and user name cannot prevent bad behaviour in all cases, but if there are some data for the moderators to digest there is at least the chance for them to exclude known trouble-makers permanently. And this I support fully.Heck, this ain't the Jerry Springer show, no? :D

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Then those kiddies should have had their accounts yanked! or the naughty flaming ratings should have been scrubbed.Anyway, it's OK, football is back!

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Rating people by the number of posts they make means nothing. I can hit enter 10 times a minute and get many 1-word posts in.... that has nothing to do with quality.At least with the ratings (verbal) one could read what others had to say about a person. That, obviously, is not objective in any way either, and certainly not subject to any quality control ;-)The only way to 'know' whose post to read, and whose not, is to visit the forums a lot and 'know' the people by theur ID, know what is behind it.Just like in real life actually... ones clothes or a loud mouth don't mean nothing in terms of judging ones character and trustworthiness.Just my .02 eurocents :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Lieben Dank, DM ! :-)Yes, and that is what we do, but we are only able to do it to a certain extent and within certain limits. As I explained before, it's not our hobby nor our intent to be the cop on the block. we are here to enjoy our hobby too and where possible help others with it.I wish we had a 100 full time mature moderators some times... ;-) :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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>>have readers educate each other as to create a more mature attitude towards communicating with their fellow users<

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Haha, Mike, "don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." :-) Haha, don't need a calculator to have a keen grasp of the obvious. :-) "dirt or air??..let's send it to the chemist!"hahahaha.

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I worked for a company once where the motto was "Wherever you go, there you are." I think they meant well, but I used to roll about the floor laughing whenever I heard it. I still do; but their intention, I think, was to make their staff aware that they represented 'The Company' at all times and should remember that in their behaviour and conduct.Those ratings usually told more about the poster than the postee. Good and bad. You are what you say. Wherever you go, there you are ... dang, now I've said it too. However, I'm upset. I had one from Heather. That might have been worth a fortune one day.Mark "Dark Moment" BeaumontP.S. Tom, Francois, you have my full support; you have enough to do without having to police the occasional idiot who contributes to these forums.http://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/reds.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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Thanks all for the comments.... as much as we regret having to do this, we appreciate your support.... and opinions ;-)In case you missed it, here is Tom's anchored post about it over in the Hangar Chat Forum : http://ftp.avsim.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboa...D6&viewmode=all :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Just as well, my ego was getting too big. ;-)(23 ratings, 43 points ;-))

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Yeah, just in time !!! You were catching up onme buddy !! :-lol :-lol(Now ya'll know the real reason we took it down !! ;-) ) :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Very well expressed. I am with you 100%. It also benefits to the way people interact with each other. That btw is one thing I absolutely appreciate in this forum (in real live I am a lot more rude:-).Alex

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I didn't know there was abuse going on, but I'm glad to see the star system has been dispensed with anyway. I didn't participate in it because I believe these kinds of peer rating systems don't work, and are subject to subtle misuse and exaggerations even if there's no outright abuse going on.I'd have to agree totally with what Mike Stone has said in his last two lines above. If someone contributes something informative and constructive (even if you disagree with it), and does so intelligently (as Mike himself always seems to), then the reader recognizes it. If that person continues to do it, then the reader recognizes and appreciates that pattern and may from time to time offer some genuine appreciation of those contributions. In short one comes to recognize who has something valuable to contribute, and from my perspective that didn't always correlate with what the star system seemed to indicate.

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