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This is a short tribute to the Mosher brothers (I hope I am right and they are brothers and not say father/son team) who just gave us their 3-rd GMAX airport - St.John. Their work is so complete, so well researched - they are in the league of their own even considering the payware airports. From what I understand they actually make trips to airports they are working on.During the recent Avsim Tahoe conference someone from Avsim staff stated that LAGO made the first GMAX airport. I think this information is incorrect and it was actually Mosher's Halifax that holds this distinction.Thank you guys for your talent and effort. Michael J.

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Is this available for download? I've been looking forward to this. The Mosher brothers are tops when it comes to scenery.BTW, I think it's St. John's. Newfies get upset about this. I can say this because I'm a Canadian, although, egads, I live in Ontario.

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I would like to join that tribute to those designers,what marvellous airports they design.And especially since the CYUL2002 team finished Dorval,i basically only fly between those 3(now 4)airports(YHZ,YUL,YQM,YYT)With only YUL beeing design by someone else.Great job guys,thanks a millionRichard CYHZ

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Yes we do, so get it right! And watch that "newfie" cr*p too! LOLBTW it's pronounced sinjawnz :-)Regards,Wade

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I'll be doing the Newfie Stomp as well, and will have to download this scenery. Hey, is ESSO included in there, that's where we park everytime we go through sinjons.LobaeuxBTW St John is on PEI(?) isn't it?

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I wish these guys could do all the airports for FS2002. :-)Extremly frame rate friendly, with just the right amount of detail and the textures are superb. Thank god they have come out with airport #3 cause I was getting a little sick of flying Moncton to Halifax, Halifax to Moncton, over and over. :-lolIt would sure be interesting to see a major Intl airport done by this team. :-)To anyone who hasn't tried these Mosher masterpieces, do a search in the AVSIM library for Mosher and sort by date and there you'll find all 3.SteveCYYZ

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Hi MichaelThat is very high praise indeed. Thanks very much.There are lots of tremendous designers and contributors out there, the Thunder Bay crew, Dave Erickson, Garvin Barneycoat, Arno and plenty more that I could not begin to list here. I think it might be more accurate to say that we do the BEST we can. I'd be comfortable with that. Yep, we visit the airports, measure and photograph everything...for CYYT we took between 500 and 1000 digital images, some of which are used for textures and the rest for reference. We could not do this type of work without the on site information. The difference is really just understanding what it is your're trying to model.As a real life architect, I have 12 years experience computer modeling buildings (SGI and Alias), and put that to good use with these airport projects. Hopefully we can continue to learn more as we go along and push our level up a little higher each time.Anyhow, thanks very much everyone for the words of encouragement.Craig

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To The Moshers,I was going to write you an email thanking you for yet again another outstanding piece of work, but, as I was always taught, it is better to praise in public.WIthout exageration, in my opinion you guys do the best airport scenery out there (payware or freeware). Acurate, detailed and no frame rate hit(that I can notice on my 866 machine)Again, thanks for taking the time to do this work for the community. I think I can safely say we are all very appreciative of your efforts.Cheers,Kevin in CYOW

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A little self plugging here LOL have you checked out our CYQT (Thunder Bay Ont) scenery ? But you are right the Mosher's sceneryis outstanding!. Dan

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Hi Craig what SGI stuff do you work with? Dan (and like I said your stuff is great!!) Dan

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>A little self plugging here LOL have you checked out our >CYQT (Thunder Bay Ont) scenery ?Dan,I would love to try CYQT but without the Terrascene scenery. No doubt I would have been impressed. But for whatever silly reason I no longer care for the Terrascene scenery. I was told that Thunder Bay team would not seperate their airports from the rest of the scenery. It is one indivisible package. I understand their point of view but for me it means - Thunder Bay is no go.Notice I was careful to state best "freeware" and then "airport" designers rather than "scenery". I did not want to offend anyone. ;-)Michael J.

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No offence taken Michael!! (but you WILL want to hold on for our Toronto scenery),all ground textures will be high res ortho photosin some places 1 (one) meter res. Hey even you should be impressed. Dan

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>Hey even you should be >impressed. Waiting anxiously ... :-rotorMichael J.

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>But Michael it will be a scenery also(not just an airport) >LOL I think I will be able to handle it .. ;-)Michael J.

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Hi DanThe SGI computers I use are unfortunaely now very old, and speed is not their #1 virtue...SGI Indigo 2 Extreme, SGI R4400 Indy, SGI 320.These guys are reliable however. How many people use computers that are 10 years old and have been switched ON 24/7 for 10 straight years!They've never let me down once. Come back to work in the morning, and the renderings are always done, ALWAYS. I'm sure Unix plays a large role in the reliability, but never the less, quite impressive. Heck, we won first place in SGI's World Visual Computing Awards the last time they held them, so you're not going to hear anything bad from me. (G)Craig

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Yup those MIPS based SGI'S are still killer sir better than the Intelstuff although the Itainium ones are fast.(Oh and congrats on the award sir!!) Dan

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Wow! That is one great airport.I downloaded it last night and with Active Sky on made my first arrival in a Jazz Dash 8 ILS on 29 with 1/2 NM visibilty (Is there any other kind of weather on the Rock?).I couldn't believe my eyes when I taxied close enough to see the airport. It's so real that when I finally went to bed my wife asked me why I smelled like Cod! Congratulation on a fantastic job.Anyone out there smarter than me who'd care to take a run at improving CYOW?RegardsBlair

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Nah! Us Newfies are very forgiving! ;-) And yes, it is St. John's. St. John is located in New Brunswick. There is a difference ya know! }>As for the Moser guys, they are simply amazing with their work! I posted a message the other day giving them great thanks for their fantastic work on the St. John's airport. I couldn't believe the true to life likeness they had recreated with this marvel! I had to show my wife the job they had done, since she works at CHC Helicopter Corporation. She was completely amazed at their recreation of the CHC office (Gate 1...according to FS? The gates are really on the other side of the airport!) Seeing my wife amazed at something related to FS is truely a miracle, so again Craig and Steve, cudos on an outstanding job! Please keep up the great work! Having our Atlantic Canadian airports redone by you guys is really a treat. At least we know they will be done with the quality and detail they deserve. And thanks for the taxiway signs! I'm sure Tom will really appreciate them when he decides to stop-over in 'Fog City" again. The last time he visited, he got lost on the Tarmac. Kind of deterred him from visiting again I think! ;-) Just kidding Tom!All the best guys! Keep the blue side up eh!Gord NoseworthyNewfoundland, Canada (CYYT)

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Hi Greg,Actually, I think they are in the process of changing the name to New Labrador? Or at least, that's what I heard. Hey, I only live here. Doesn't mean I know what happens here! ;-)Regards bud!Gord NoseworthyNewfoundland, Canada (CYYT)

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Good one Wade! I got yer back buddy! Just holler if ya need a hand! :-bang Us Newf's stick together eh!Gord NoseworthyNewfoundland, Canada (CYYT)

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Well Blair, if you went to bed smelling like Cod, I kind of think you may have landed just short of Runway 29. Perhaps you ended up in Logy Bay? ;-) Hope that Dash was equipped with floats!Regards,Gord NoseworthyNewfoundland, Canada (CYYT)

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Hmm. Come to think of it, that fog did seem a little thicker than normal. So it was either a dip in Logy Bay or the quick trip to Hotel Newfoundland for a pint before the return leg. Either way, I think a virtual Transport Canada inspector is going to want my licence.CheersBlair

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