egcc/lgkv in a320....

[Guest filfpg]

FLT PLAN: EGCC/LGKV MACH:M78 A/C: A322 FUEL TIME CORR TOGWT LDGWT AVG W/CDEST LGKV 008534 03.19 ------ 071855 063548 M010RESV 001155 00.30 ------ALTN 000866 00.22 ------ ALTN LGTS DIST 0086 W/C M007HOLD 001027 00.30 ------REQD 011582 04.41 ------ BOW 041900 PAYLOAD 018600EXTRA 000000 00.00 ------TAXI 000227TTL AT BO 011582 04.51 ------ DIST 1380EGCC STOCK1Y STOCK L975 DENBY UL975 GOLES UL603 GMH Y853 TESGA UL603 KFT UB5 VEMAK UW42 NISVA UL614 BLO UL622 RODOP RODOP1 LGKVEGCC/0350/VALLU/0370SUMMARY 03.20 FL 33 B/O 008753 PL 018600 TOW 071855 CRZ M78 SUMMARY 03.19 FL 31 B/O 009025 PL 018600 TOW 071855 CRZ M78 -EGCC2000-N0449F350 DCT STOCK L975 DENBY UL975 GOLES UL603 GMH Y853 TESGA UL603 KFT UB5 VALLU/N0450F370 UB5 VEMAK UW42 NISVA UL614 BLO UL622 RODOP RODOP1-LGKV0319 LGTS -EET/EHAA0034 EDVV0053 EDUU0103 LOVV0142 LJLA0158 LDZO0203 LQSB0218 LYBA0227 LBSR0251 LGGG0309

[Guest Peter_Jansen]

Hi,Validating the flightplan above gives me the following errors:UL614 NIS - VABLO; not available for traffic via UL622-RODOP.UB5 GUBOK - DER; not available for traffic via NISVAY853 TESGA - ESATI; not available for traffic via UL603 TESGA-ESATII suggest you take the routing via OMELO and NARKA that I posted on the PSS Forum yesterday.BTW, (just interested) where did you get this flightplan from?Regards,PeterAir Holland VAwww.ahva.homestead.com

[Guest filfpg]

hellomy database is the last up to date one and yours...i didnt use pss but a flightplanner in use by real operators...by the way sorry for bad infos ...phil

[JRR 9]

Hi Peter.I think this route is right and is used in real life. I've flown on the CY499 to Pafos 2 weeks ago and the route was as follows.EHAM ARNEM UL603 KFT UB5 VEMAK UW42 NISVA UL614 BLO UL622 RODOP UL618 MES UG18 RDS UR19 DASNI W195 TOBAL LCPHRegards,Jasper Rom

[Guest Peter_Jansen]

Hi,Thanks for your reply. When I validate your FPL the system reports that the UL618 does not exist between KVL and LMO (norhtern Greece).My charts confirm this as well. When did you fly to Pafos exactly? I'll try to find as soon as possible.---It seems PSS deleted the subject from their forum so here we go again:(FPL-HLN152-IS-B752/M-SHIWXY/S-LGKV0900-N0455F370 RODOP UL622 NEPOT UL602 ELDIN/N0450F340 UL602 DOGGA UY70 OTR-EGCC0315 EGLL-0)(FPL-HLN151-IS-B752/M-SHIWXY/S-EGCC0900-N0455F370 STOCK L975 GOLES UL603 PAM UL620 NARKA UL618 RODOP-LGKV0310 LGAV-0)Regards,Peter

[Guest]

>I think this route is right and is used in real life. Sorry Jasper but this route cannot be used in real life for the reasons Peter gave.Here is what I just found in the current RAD (18apr/15may):Annex 11:Y853: SIGEN-TESGA not available for traffic via: 1. UZ727 TESGA-FFM 2. UL603 TESGA-ESATIAnnex 14:UB5: GUBOK-VAL not available for traffic via NISVAAnnex 26:UL614: NISVA-BLO not avilable for traffic via UL622-RODOPSee: http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/rad/index.htmif you don't know what is the RAD (Route Availaibility Document)...Jasper, maybe you flew to Paphos before the April 18th, when the restriction on the UL614 was not in force.Yohann, LFLL.

[Guest]

Phil,Well only a week after asking about a fp plan forum we finally get one.Thanks for doing this fp which I originally asked for in the PSS forum. Glad to see I have to options know.RegardsMiles

[Guest filfpg]

helloonly one weeksome of us asked a long time before but the events at the end of this week made the pressure for us...so happy to see you love itphil

[JRR 9]

Hi Yohann!I looked at RAD pages and indeed I was wrong about the flightplan I posted. It isn't possible. But then I've got another question. On my flight to Cyprus on the 26th of april. The captain told us that the route was going over Munich, Zagreb, Beograd and Sofia. I'm very sure I saw Sofia from the window when we made a right turn, I could also see Limnos some minutes later. How is it possible to enter Greece via Sofia? Not via the UL614 to BLO and then via the UL622 to RODOP according to the RAD pages. The only possibity I see is via the UL618 , but then it is impossible to fly in the neigbourhood of Beograd. Maybe the captain told the wrong route? or maybe a direct clearance to a waypoint? I don't know and any help would be appreciated.Regards,Jasper Rom :-wave

[Guest]

Hi Jasper,Maybe you had a special clearance that day...Some tempo route availaibilities, normally non RAD-compliant, are regulary issued by ATFM Information Messages (AIM).See this link for example:http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/chmi_publi...im&aim=00045814Must be something like that...Best regards,Yohann.