Trans Atlantic Flight Planning

[Guest Murf]

Hi folks,I've been flying alot in US/Canada and I think I'm ready to take the plunge and try a Trans Atlantic flight. Problem is I'm not sure how to file my plans or the waypoints to use when navigating the NATs. Any help or flight plan examples would be appreciated.Thanks,

[Guest united777]

Hey. well first off, you are the lucky 401st post for me :-hah. but, to answer your question..how do I file a flight plan, just add in your Entry point-NAT Track points- Exit point. its quite simple. but if you are looking for maps, go here.for the diagram-http://www.vatsim-uk.net/vatsim-uk/OCA/maps.aspfor the actual routing(no diagram)-http://www.vatsim-uk.net/vatsim-uk/OCA/nat.aspBTW- NATS do change EVERYDAY, so be aware that you pick the right one. if you fly with real weather(makes your planning more real in a sense) then go to this site.- http://aviationweather.noaa.gov/ you can get updated weather at certain times for basically any part of the world. and make sure you pick the right time of day(UTC!! not local) and for the atlantic. use this link http://aviationweather.noaa.gov/hilvl/ its mainly for the cruzing altitudes. well I hope I was of some help to you bud. if you need any more help just drop a line @ a500mhz@hotmail.com or on AIM- born2fly86..BTW, here is one FLight plan I use when I do that atlantic hop from EGLL-KIAD or other European Destinations. BEWARE- IT IS LONG! It is UA 951 (EBBR-KIAD) This was made with FSdispatch, great utility for the 767PIC :-)----------------------------------------------------------------------EBBR TO KIAD 767/J M78/F IFR 25/07/02NONSTOP COMPUTED 1319 FOR ETD 1350Z PROGS 0000ADF N648UA LBSUA951 FL 390 *** FIXED WINDS AND TEMPERATURES HAVE BEEN USED***25JUL02 EBBR-KIAD T/B763/J ACCEPTED:........SUPPLY ....... INDEX ... UPLIFT ....NORMAL PLANNING EBBR-KIAD FUEL CORR TIME CORRTAXI 000.088 ... ...TRIP 055.909 ... 07:24 ...BURN 055.997 ... ...10 CF 001.336 ... 00:10 ...ALTN 000.000 ... 00:00 ... FR 007.369 ... 00:55 ...ADD 000.200 ... ...MIN 064.902 ... 12:06 ...XTR ..... ... .... ...ACT ..... ... .... ...ETOM 319.342 ......ELDM 263.433 ......EZFM 254.528 ......EPAY 055.692 ......BURN 055.997 ......TIME 07:24 ......DIST 03518AVG WC P000 TEMPDEV : 94 WX INPUT P000/ 12FUEL BURN ADJUST FOR 1000 KGS INCREASE IN TAKE OFF MA 0010 KGSFOR ENGINE AND/OR AIRFOIL A/I CORRECT TRIP BY ....PERCENT.M78 FL 410 055431 07:25M78 FL 370 056387 07:23M78 FL 350 056864 07:21 MINALTERNATES FL DIST WC FUEL/TIME FUEL 30NM BLOCKFUEL/TIMENONE(FPL-UA951-IN-B763/M-SHRWXYW/S-EBBR1350-N0305F390 EBBR TOLEN MONIL ELDIN BEENO DOGGA SILVA NEW TLA MAC MIMKU LOACH FOXXE ACOVE FLOSI SAX BWZ HOUTN LRP DELRO SUEDE BINNS HYPER MULRR ROBRT KIAD -KIAD2129 REG/N648UA SEL/ RVR/200)..................................................................NOTES:SCHED ARR:21:29 ON CHOCKS......... LANDING.........SCHED DEP:13:50 OFF CHOCKS......... AIRBORNE........ BLOCK TIME 0739 FLT TIME........ATIS DEPARTURE....................................................ATC CLEARANCE..................................................... ACTUAL BLKFUEL....AWY REPORTPOINT FREQ TD MT DTG CT ETO WIND FUEL USED FLMEA LAT/LONG SAT TT RD RT ATO AVWC REM. FUELOFF 0184FT .... 88 .... ARP 64814 TOLEN ISEC TOLEN 00 342 41 00:07 .... 1890 CLB017 N51530E040867 M33 345 3477 07:16 .... 63012 .... TOC TOC TOC 00 354 67 00:09 .... 4052 390027 N52637E037816 M63 357 3410 07:07 .... 60850 .... MONIL ISEC MONIL 00 354 8 00:00 ....174012 4168 390027 N52761E037467 M63 357 3402 07:06 .... 00 60734 .... ELDIN ISEC ELDIN 00 333 28 00:03 ....153012 4598 390027 N53159E033522 M63 336 3374 07:02 .... 00 60304 .... BEENO ISEC BEENO 00 290 12 00:01 ....110012 4777 390027 N53213E030436 M63 293 3362 07:01 .... 00 60125 .... DOGGA ISEC DOGGA 00 290 44 00:05 ....110012 5451 390027 N53405E018706 M63 293 3318 06:55 .... 00 59451 .... SILVA ISEC SILVA 00 314 54 00:06 ....134012 6291 390027 N53975E006828 M63 317 3264 06:49 .... 00 58611 .... NEW 114.3VORDME NEWCASTLE 00 315 105 00:12 ....135012 7910 390027 N55038W016984 M63 318 3159 06:36 .... 00 56992 .... TLA 113.8VORDME TALLA 00 304 63 00:07 ....124012 8883 390027 N55499W033528 M63 307 3096 06:28 .... 00 56019 .... MAC 116.0VORDME MACHRIHANISH 00 276 78 00:09 ....096012 10093 390027 N55430W056504 M63 279 3018 06:18 .... 00 54809 .... MIMKU ISEC MIMKU 00 296 151 00:18 ....116012 12427 390027 N56000W100000 M63 299 2867 06:00 .... 00 52475 .... LOACH ISEC LOACH 00 319 1557 03:12 ....139012 36501 390027 N55517W570154 M63 322 1310 02:47 .... 00 28401 .... FOXXE ISEC FOXXE 00 261 100 00:12 ....081012 38043 390027 N54487W592883 M63 264 1210 02:35 .... 00 26859 .... ACOVE ISEC ACOVE 00 238 937 01:56 ....058012 52538 390027 N42235W740318 M63 241 273 00:39 .... 00 12364 .... FLOSI ISEC FLOSI 00 212 44 00:05 ....032012 53213 390027 N41544W743341 M63 215 229 00:33 .... 00 11689 .... SAX 115.7VORTAC SPARTA 00 210 30 00:03 ....030012 53677 390027 N41068W745383 M63 213 199 00:30 .... 00 11225 .... BWZ 114.2VORDME BROADWAY (SCHOOLEY'S MT) 00 231 21 00:02 ....051012 53996 390027 N40798W748218 M63 234 178 00:27 .... 00 10906 .... TOD TOD TOD 00 250 43 00:05 .... 54664 027 N40427W756348 M63 253 135 00:22 .... 10238 .... HOUTN ISEC HOUTN 00 250 10 00:01 .... 54734 025 N40338W758273 M58 253 125 00:20 .... 10168 .... LRP 117.3VORTAC LANCASTER 00 249 25 00:03 .... 54916 021 N40120W762913 M44 252 100 00:17 .... 9986 .... DELRO ISEC DELRO 00 249 18 00:02 .... 55060 017 N39965W766253 M33 252 82 00:14 .... 9842 .... SUEDE ISEC SUEDE 00 249 6 00:01 .... 55113 016 N39912W767400 M29 252 76 00:13 .... 9789 .... BINNS ISEC BINNS 00 249 15 00:02 .... 55244 012 N39785W770110 M20 252 61 00:11 .... 9658 .... HYPER ISEC HYPER 00 249 12 00:02 .... 55354 009 N39684W772251 M12 252 49 00:09 .... 9548 .... MULRR ISEC MULRR 00 248 6 00:01 .... 55414 008 N39631W773357 M08 251 43 00:08 .... 9488 .... ROBRT ISEC ROBRT 00 248 2 00:00 .... 55433 008 N39616W773679 M07 251 41 00:07 .... 9469 .... KIAD .. WASHINGTON DULLES INTL 312FT 41 00:08 .... 55909 N38945W774558 0 00:01 .... 8993 .... REMAINING FUEL O/B ....ATIS ARRIVAL .................................................... ..NOTES:................................................................. ................................................................... ................................................................... ..

[Guest Murf]

Hi!Thanks for the reply. There is a lot of info there to digest. I visited the sites for the NATs. Is there a site I can go to to tell me which NAT is being used today? I fly with the real weather using FSMETEO. I also use PIC767 and would be interested in that FSDispatch program you mentioned. Is it freeware or commercial? Where can I get it?Also, how would I enter the NAT waypoints in the FMC? (ie. 52/50 54/40 55/30 55/20 55/15 55/10)Thanks for the help! :-)

[Guest]

>Is there a site >I can go to to tell me which NAT is being used today? http://www.natroutes.glideslope.de/Just pick one of the current NAT: Not only one is active today, but 5 eastbound (Track V -> Track Z) and 7 westbound and southbound (A -> G).These tracks change everyday with high-level winds.>Also, how would I enter the NAT waypoints in the FMC? (ie. >52/50 54/40 55/30 55/20 55/15 55/10) >52/50= 52N050W = 5250N; 5450N, 5530N...Yohann, LFLL

[Guest united777]

well, it does take a few tries to get it down right. BUT. if you use the PSS airbus panel for the POSKY 330 for example. you CANNOT enter NAT points in like N52W050 you have to enter them in like N5250 I believe. but with the PSS 777v2 panel it really doesn't matter. well I will give you the link when I get back home. so like 1800 GMT. I'll be able to give more info then. Good luck!

[Guest united777]

Ok, here is that link to make NAT Track/ Crossings EASY(well, easier) http://www.avsim.com/geoffschool/atlantic.htm read it a few times, like I did, and it will make perfect sense.. good luck!

[Guest Murf]

Thanks for the replys! I think I may tackle a flight this weekend!See you in the air.