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Old System specs:WinMeAthlon 1.1 T-Bird786 PC-133 Micron RAMGeForce 2 Ultra 64 MB3D Mark score: around 3600 pointsNew System Specs:WinMeP4 2.4512 DDR RAMGeForce 2 Ultra 64 MB3D Mark score: 5342 pointswith TI4200 128 MB (default clock settings)3D Mark score: 10763 points. Nice to finally see all the tests completed. Man, that "Nature" test is something else...and the water effects...STELLAR :( Doesn't appear to translate into much higher FPS in FS2002, as I suspected after what people have been saying about FS being CPU dependant. I get about 2 FPS more, but the upside is that I can move the sliders farther right and still pretty much keep a nice smooth 25-26 FPS (cockpit view) with Dreamfleet 734 at SFO Default scenery with 100% AI. Very, very smooth! :-)Now my question:I'd like to squeeze every last bit performance out of my machine.Should I overclock my CPU? Are the risks worth both the cost, ie a new fan, and worth the inherent risks? If they are, I will be seeking advice from all you computer gurus out there. :-beerchug Thankyou, AdamP.S. I would be happy to benchmark any scenario for anyone considering an upgrade if they are interested. Also, I could provide more system info too.

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True! However, I'm now starting to consider more detailed scenery, and I suspect that my FPS will take a bit of a beating once I add on detailed airports and Mesh etc. I really know nothing about over-clocking, and just wondering if it is worth it.Adam

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Oh, I have no idea on how to o/c the cpu, but the video card would be the safest IMHO.

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Unless you start bumping up the voltage you shouldn't have any problem with o'clocking your 2.4. I think the 2.4 was the first of the Northwood A's and they should be good for an extra 10% easy. I recently built a 2.53 for a friend and without any voltage changes he is running at ~2.7 and it is rock solid with XP. Depending on your board, you'll probably find stability issues with memory or cards before your P4 starts giving you fits. Note the temp of your processor before you start bumping the clock and then check it as you go to make sure you're not cooking the little green Intel men inside ;).With popular theory being that FS is CPU-bound, rather than graphics-bound then any improvement in the processor department should have a direct improvement on your bottom line. So I guess my opinion is that yes the risks (very small) are worth it. I would use every last bit of power for scenery, additional AI, etc, but that's what makes me happy.

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Thanks a lot guys! Very helpful info. I will look into the procedure now.Take care, Adam

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And don't worry about a new fan/heatsink assy right away. Many of us are running a 500Mhz OC with the stock Intel HSI and the temps are fine (anything below 60C is OK).TripNorthwood 2.2a at 2.72Ghz Abit TH7II-R512MB Samsung 40ns PC800Gainward 64MB GF4 Ti4200 300/57040.72's DX8.1 WinXP ProInwin case / Enermax 431W PSU3DMark2001SE = 13223http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4569591

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I bumped my 2.4b up to 2900mhz rock solid with an AVC Sunflower cooler, on an ASUS P4S533 mobo. I upped the voltage only slightly, and have had no problems at all with XP Pro.Chris

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Well after a near death experience :( with my mobo this afternoon, I've been thinking about how to SAFELY go about overclocking. I swore after my system wouldn't boot, I would never think about fooling with any settings in the BIOS. Well, a few hours have passed and I think I want to look farther into this overclocking idea, especially in light of the responses above. If I could oc to say 2.7, that would be neat and likely give me a bit of a boost.Do any of you guys have an MSI 648 MAX motherboard?I tried changing the FSB speed from 133 to 134 Mhz, as is suggested, baby steps! It wouldn't boot and it wasn't until Trip Lane saved the day and told me to reset the CMOS. After that it worked great.I really would rather not experience the sheer horror of thinking I'd killed my system again.So, how about some advice gents?I've read my manual. I've gone to overclockers.com and found a post that said that the FSB is locked. Other posts indicate that it's not really a good board to oc. They say the FSB freq can be changed. Obviously not the way I did it!Any suggestions on a first, SAFE step?Thanks, Adam

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the P4 2.4 CPU has a quad FSB speed of 400Mhz. So the FSB is really 100Mhz (24 x 100Mhz = 2.4Ghz) Setting it to 134Mhz would make it 24 x 134Mhz = 3.21Ghz with little wonder if wouldn't boot.What kind of Motherboard do you have?

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Hi John,In the BIOS it says that the FSB is 133 Mhz. The options for changing FSB go up in 1 Mhz increments in the drop down menu. If it is quad speed as you suggest, how would I go about changing to a smaller value. My understanding is that the multiplier is locked at 18.This is all new to me and I've posted requesting assistance.Thanks, Adam

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Hey Cyborg, What kind of motherboard do you have? Is it an MSI 648MAX? If not are you familiar with this board? Having problems oc'ing.Thanks, Adam

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There are two "flavors" of the 2.4 John. One is the older Northwood 2.4a which does, indeed, have a quad-pumped 100Mhz FSB. The other is the newer 2.4b which has the quad-pumped 133Mhz FSB. Adam has the newer one. Nothing like two versions of the same thing :-).Trip

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Adam - Your FSB is, indeed, 133. And the multiplier is locked at 18. That's how the CPU speed is determined, i.e., 133x18 = 2394Mhz (or 2.4Ghz). Since the multiplier is locked and can't be changed, the only way to increase the CPU speed is to increase the FSB. I'm looking at the info on the MSI board to see what I can find. It seemsthat it's not the easiest board to OC, but I don't have a reason (yet) why it would lock at 134Mhz. I'll let you know if I can find anything helpful. In the meantime, keep reading...Trip

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Nope, I got an Asus P4B533-E and there is not much info on the overclockers site about your board.

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Thanks Trip. I will continue my reading. Before I changed the FSB to 134, I had to disable 'Auto Detect CPU FSB' in order to be able to even change the FSB. Maybe this was wrong. It seemed the only way to unlock the FSB. In my manual it shows different FSB settings, but really doesn't tell you how to apply them. Do you think I may need to flash the BIOS in order to perform these kinds of changes?Thanks again, Adam

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Okay, thanks man.Yeah, I didn't see much that was positive about oc'ing this board either.Adam

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Hello,you can overclock everything when you have a good cooling.CPU: P4 1700 @ 2078 MHzGPU: GeForce 3 200:460 @ 250:575 MHz (higher possible, not tested)I've mounted heavy cool sinks on the GPU+Memory, normal Cooler on CPU.Everything is cooled by air. I lost one PCI-Slot for the GPU cooler.I'll post my 3D Mark SE score soon when I have this tool.If you know how to overclock and know to cool down everything nothing will be damaged. Watch the 3D Mark forums folks for OC-Tips.

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Hi Adam,which version of 3DMark are you referring to?I'm running 3DMark 2001 (Win98 SE) and with my new system:P4 2.53MBASUS P4PE768 DDR RAMASUS TI4200 128 MB (default clock settings)3DMark 2001 score: 5874 points! :-(Also, do you run tests with default settings?I do simply open 3DMark 2001 and click on benchmark button:1024x768x32 NoAA Z24 DXTC DB D3D Pure HW (it's what i can read).Can anyone please explain?Thanks in avanceLuigi ;-)

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Id say staw away from the cpu for now..U have far enough cpu.Try your video card first, an over clock on that will prob boost your frames more then the cpu..The bottle neck on your system now is the videocard.. though im sure u know that

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Luigi - You're score is, indeed, about half of what it should be. Have you ever run the system with only 512MB RAM? Unless you have limited the vcache, Win98 can't cache more than 512MB and it could be that the memory performance is an issue that need to be looked at. Also, be sure that you have turned off all anisotropic filtering as that will also cause a lower score. And, yes, just run the tests with all the defaults.TripNorthwood 2.2a at 2.72Ghz Abit TH7II-R512MB Samsung 40ns PC800Gainward 64MB GF4 Ti4200 300/57040.72's DX8.1 WinXP ProInwin case / Enermax 431W PSU3DMark2001SE = 13223http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4569591

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No, you don't need a BIOS flash unless something specific comes up in your reading that tells you it will be needed. So long as your DRAM Frequency is set to 167 and the AGP/PCI Frequency is 66/33 I can see nothing that would cause the system not to boot with a small change in the FSB. For sure we know the values are set back to the defaults because of the CMOS reset you did. So, now that you know how to do that, why not change the FSB back to 134 and see what happens? (And, yes, it's reasonable that you have to turn off the auto-detect to change the FSB frequency.) If the boot failure reoccurs then you know, positively, that there is a problem of some sort. And if the system does boot you're off and running. In either case, the only way to know what's really happening is to try the OC again.Trip

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Okay Trip, I will try it again. I GREATLY appreciate the advice you, and others, have given me. I'll post my results. So, If it works, I ought to slowly keep increasing the FSB until I'm at say about 2700? I wouldn't want to over do it for sure.Thanks, AdamAnd I'm REALLY happy today - I just ordered RadarContact v.3!!!!Wonder how long it will take to get here.

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LSangiovanni LIML, something is wrong with your setup.Even if I have no OCing at all (everything on default) I get close to 10000 points.And I only have a P4 2.4BCould you post the compare url to your score?

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