CX872 VHHH-KSFO / CX873 KSFO-VHHH

[Guest nat2005]

Hi,Does anyone know, have an idea of, or able to find out the Cost Index they use for these two flights?I know its dificult to find out, or not even possible at all but if anyone can help it would be great,Cheers,Nat

[Guest flight85]

Hi ! Cost Index of 80 is used.Kind Regards:Alexander

[Guest nat2005]

HiThanks for the quick reply :) Check your PMCheers,Nat

[andrew_c]

Almost impossible ;)DESPATCH MESSAGECPA 872 VHHH-KSFO 21JUN B747-400 BHOT PLN003 REF/CJ101003RTE F03 CAPT/SKEELS MT DESPATCHER/VINCENT NG---------------------------------------------------------------DESPATCHER NOTES TO CREWFUEL UPLIFT POLICY FOR THIS SECTOR IS CAT A.MZFW MAX RAMP WT MTOW MLW244939 395986 394625 285763FUEL DATAPLANNED TAXI* 1000 PLANNED ZFW 230600PLANNED TRIP FUEL 114200 PLANNED RAMP WT 364100FUEL REQD /FR/ 133500 PLANNED LNDG WT 248800TOTAL FUEL*........ 133500 ENDURANCE 12:47FLT TIME* 10:43ATC PLAN FOR FILING(FPL-CPA872-IS-B744/H-SHPIJRWXYZ/S-VHHH1545-N0507F330 OCEA2B OCEAN V3 ENVAR M750 LEKOS DCT PABSO R583BISIS G581 ONC V73 DOVAG DCT 30N140E 31N150E/N0499F350 34N160E36N170E 37N180E 38N170W 37N160W 37N150W 37N140W/N0485F37038N130W/N0483F390 DCT ALLBE DCT PIRAT DCT OSI DCT SFO DCT-KSFO1043 KOAK-EET/RCTP0032 RORG0118 RJTG0212 KZAK0439 KZOA1008REG/BHOT SEL/ADHJRMK/ALTN RJTT FROM PNR 37E80NAV/RNP4 RNP5 ACAS IIDAT/SV)-E/1247 R/VE S/M J/L D/ 8 472 C SILVER A/WHITE AND GREEN N/8BABY COTS C/SKEELS MTATIS: ..AT ..... UTC ................................................RWY .....HWC/TWC ... RTOW CHART ........... EST RTOW* ............NOTES: ............................................................................................................................EST ZFW ..................... .....................LOADSHEET FUEL* ..................... .....................EST TOW ..................... .....................TRIP FUEL* ..................... .....................EST LANDING WT ..................... .....................MAX ALLOW ZFW* ....................COMMANDERS ACCEPTANCE ...................START OF PART 1 OF 10- CPA 872 VHHH KSFO 21JUN06 CJ101003FLIGHT FROM TO DATE ACFT REG CAPTAINCPA 872 VHHH KSFO 20JUN06 B747-400 BHOT SKEELS MTCRUISE SCHEDULE - CI-80MET OBS 190000SCHED DEP 1545 ARR 0340 TTL 1155AIRPATH ROUTE F03FMS ROUTE HKGSFO-- ETD 1545SPECIAL NAVIGATION NOTES- THIS ROUTE IS PER NOTAM KZOA/A7178 TRACK 14.- AFN OAKLAND LOGON-KZAKTOC ISA DEV P12/ AVG COMP 115 TWC/ AVG ISA DEV P07DRAG FACTOR P0.6 F-F FACTOR P1.6PLANNED REVISED TOTAL DIST 6425TAXI 1000 TOCTRIP FUEL 114200 TM 1043 FL330 TOC TEMP -38CONTINGENCY 4000 TOC W/V 257/055MAND 6600ALTN KOAK 3500 TM 0019 FL110RESERVE 4200FUEL REQD /FR/ 133500REC EXTRA 000TOTAL FUEL 133500 ENDURANCE 1248ZFW 230600 CORR/1000 LNDG 487RAMP WT 364100 CORR/1000 RAMP 328FINAL FUEL ORDERED........MAINT LOG FUEL........EST UPLIFT......REASON - ZFW CHG - DEST WX - ALTN - OTHER ...................../FUEL SUMMARIESSTEP BELOW CFP F/L TIME 1047 T/F 114900 ZFW 230600 CI-80290 BISIS 310 31E50 330 37N40 350 38N30 370

[Guest nat2005]

Thank you so much! :)Just a few questions:What does "FUEL UPLIFT POLICY FOR THIS SECTOR IS CAT A" mean?I noticed they have 6600 of Mandatory fuel, any idea what that is for?What does the "rmk/altn rjtt FROM PNR 37E80" mean?Thanks again,Nat

[doylebob]

One more question if I mayHow do you translate "CRUISE SCHEDULE - CI-80"? On the B744, I know M0.86 is considered High Speed Cruise, and M0.84 (or lower) is Long Range Cruise, with M.085 being sort of "Typical" Cruise Speed.Is there a Mach Speed reference rule of thumb. (i.e. CI 80 = 0.85M or something like that)?Thanks for the helpBob

[CPA156]

Bob,I'm not aware of a rule regarding cost indexes and mach numbers. All CRUISE SCHEDULE - CI-80 means is that the crew enter 80 into the Cost Index box in the FMC.

[Guest nat2005]

Hi,Anyone know the answer to my questions? :)What does "FUEL UPLIFT POLICY FOR THIS SECTOR IS CAT A" mean?I noticed they have 6600 of Mandatory fuel, any idea what that is for?What does the "rmk/altn rjtt FROM PNR 37E80" mean?Thanks,Nat

[doylebob]

Hi Patrick,Thanks for your reply. I must have been confused. I just assumed the CI related to a "fixed" speed. Some flightplans I've seen don't mention a cruise speed but do refer to a Cost Index and I thought that was determining the speed but I must have been wrong.Bob.PS. Nat, Sorry if I stepped on your question. I can't be sure but I'd guess "CAT A" possibly refers to the base fuel cost differential between the departure and arrival airports but I'm just guessing. I'd bet there are a few people on this forum who could find out for you for sure though.

[Guest Steve_Park]

>Hi,>>Anyone know the answer to my questions? :)>>What does "FUEL UPLIFT POLICY FOR THIS SECTOR IS CAT A" mean?>I noticed they have 6600 of Mandatory fuel, any idea what that>is for?>What does the "rmk/altn rjtt FROM PNR 37E80" mean?>>Thanks,>>NatNat, that remark means that the "Alternate airport is RJTT if return is required prior to "PNR" Point No Return which is LAT/LON 37E80.Steve Park

[Guest nat2005]

Thx Steve :)And anyone any ideas what the 6600 of Mandatory fuel is for?Thanks,Nat

[CPA156]

I think it's to do with a regulation in the US for having a bit extra contingency fuel or something (45 minutes sounds right to me). Of course correct me if I'm wrong anyone.