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I just bought and downloaded Activesky2004, the maintenance file and the beta update. I have FSUIPC 3.47 , hit clear all weather, started FS9 with clear weather. At my local airport it is OVC 1200 vis 4 miles and using the new AS via widefs, I get the accurate metar info, but I still have clear skies with some scattered clouds to the north only! Help! Perfect day for some nice IFR and I can' get any. What am I doing wrong please!Thanks, Robert

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Hi Robert,Welcome to Active Sky! Suggestions:Make sure Overcast Enhancement is On.In FS make sure 3D clouds are 100%In FS make sure cloud coverage is set to maximum.Make sure you are giving AS and FS enough time to download, process and display the weather. This could take up to 5 minutes.Please let us know if this helps.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

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Thanks for such a quick answer, I will check all the above, I think I did all of that. For some reason even with my 3.0 ghz computer with XP and 1 gB Ram, when I use the detailed clouds my frame rate drops to less than 5 even with scattered clouds, I was using the simple cloud option with full coverage. Thanks.

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This is awful. Did all the above, even reinstalled fs9 and AS 2004.5.KALB Metar 8sm OVC 15, I get clear skies!! Ahhhh....WideFS working, AS v 1.92.4 works well with my FS2002! Any other ideas? I also have under FSUIPC technical button, Clear weather stops dynamics unchecked, and Allow changes to FS own weather checked.

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You say that you are using WideFS. Is it the latest version (as you do not say)?Also, have you tried installing and running AS2004.5 directly on the PC running FS9 to identify if the issue is AS2004.5 or WideFS? For example, if you do not get the same problem running AS2004.5 on the FS9 PC directly it is more likley an issue with the WideFS setup in your current case.

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I am getting closer! I now get very realistic weather when I first start but I have been online 3 hours now and it is not refreshing for some reason. Here at KSCH it has gone from clear at 2150Z to scattered 45, BKN at80 and I am just getting clear with some scattered at 45 with lots of blue sky in between, clouds all at 100%. The time on the metar even though it is 0010Z now, is still 2150Z! //AS2004.5 configuration file B193[General]WindowPosX = 105WindowPosY = 105DefaultWeatherFolder = C:INSTALLDIRModulesActiveSky2004SuppressionCeiling = 4000SurfaceWindLimit = 10CloudLayerLimit = 5LocalSuppressionRange = 50MinimumVisibility = 1/2MaximumVisibility = 59LastPlanFolder = NONEIncreasedWake = FalseDisableWindsAloft = FalseForceTstormsWithCB = FalseAutoConvertPlanFiles = TrueDisableVisGraduation = FalseDOWNLOADTHROTTLE = FalseForceDestinationWeatherZone = FalsePreventIcing = FalseOnlineUpdates = TrueExtendedDestinationWindsForce = FalseDisableAllGroundUpdates = FalseGlobalWrites = FalseDepictFS9HazeLayer = TrueExtendTstormLayers = FalseDisableDirectWindControl = FalseVoicePlayback = TrueLocalSuppression = TrueStartupSound = TrueDisableGroundUpdates = FalseUseProxyServer = FalseFogLayerGeneration = TrueUpdateSuppression = TrueOvercastEnhancement = TrueIgnoreFSReadyStatus = FalseFSUIPCWindSmoothing = TrueLimitSurfaceWinds = FalseLimitCloudLayers = FalseAutoGlobalWriteToggle = TrueRainWithTS = TrueDisableUpperLayerGeneration = FalseVisibilitySmoothing = TrueDisableMessages = FalseAutoTimeZoneDetection = TrueUpdateInterval = 10VATSIMData = FalseZuluConversion = -4AloftPredictability = 100WindDriftRate = 5TAFProcessing = TrueEnforceVisibilityLimits = TrueWakeTurb = TrueStartPaused = TrueUseSystemTime = TrueDisableCAVOKClouds = FalseProxyAddress = NONEWideFS-6.47FSUIPC-3.47, both registered.Thanks again, I really want to see this work!

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Hi Robert,Your major settings look good. Let's try the other suggestion and install AS directly onto your FS machine. I want to eliminate Wide FS/your second computer as the problem. Something is blocking your downloads. Is Internet Explorer set to Work Offline?Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

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No it is not set to offline. It seems to download the weather but it doesn't put the latest up as I fly. Just flew KALB to KLGAat 17000, was supposed to be OVC at 9600 halfway there, then OVC 4200 at KLGA. All the way saw scattered clouds, 100 mile vis, it was awful! I even put in in user defined weather a solid OVC with bases at 4000 and tops 10000 when I was at 7500, could still see the ground through the clouds till I was under the bases! Sliders for clouds all the way right.Will try installing on main PC and see what happens.

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Hi,Few comments here: you cannot modify the weather in FS04 and run AS at the same time. Also keep in mind that stations have a direct influence of 2 miles. After that, a blending of stations is used.One more thing, you can limit maximum visibility in AS, try 50 as a maximum.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

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OK, I tried that, more accurate weather at KALB this morning. Still see blue sky through supposedly OVC layer, what is up with that? Also which boxes should be checked unchecked on the technical page of FSUIPC? Seems like I can at least get an OVC layer if I uncheck "Allow change to FS own weather" and "Clear weather something" on the left of the tech page. Is there a way to increase the local station influence? Thanks again.

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Firstly, I see what you are saying in that OVC conditions at KALB right now are not accurately depicted with patches of clear blue sky visible all around through scattered clouds. Seems not to be a generic issue, as at CYKZ which also has an overcast right now, it does show a complete overcast.As for what weather options to check/uncheck in FSUIPC, just use the following simple approach which works.After starting FS9, go to Modules->FSUIPC. Press "Weather Settings Off" and then "Clear All Weather", followed by "OK". Start AS2004.5, and if weather not downloaded automatically press the "Refresh" button. After download complete and all stations written (you should see "Online Mode Weather Update completed" at the bottom of the AS2004.5 window), go back to FS9 and the weather should update.

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That is what I have been doing, just wondered about ticking those couple things on the technicel tab of FSUIPC, you are saying it doesn't matter. Did you go to KALB to see what I meant? I feel better knowing it wasn't unique to me. Unfortunately I want to use the sim to practice my IFR approaches to my local airports ( I live 10 miles from KALB) and it isn't very realistic to have a 700 foot OVC and be able to see the ground all the way in!! I'll keep trying different suppression settings, what do you use? I was going to try 2000 feet and 10 miles...

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Hi Doc,Can you jump around a bit and find a station that your machine does show OVC? I want you to see a solid layer so we know what we are trying to work you towards at your home airport. If AS was not showing OVC after this weekend, you know this board would be filled with posts. Suggestion: re-set FSUIPC back to its default settings and see what happens. We'll continue to get this!Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

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Will try tonight, KALB forcasting OVC 5500, right down the river KSWF forcasting OVC 6000. Will hit clear all weather and reset to defaults on FSUIPC before starting then refreshing AS! Take care. Will let you know.

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Maybe I want to much and to real weather! I went to KALB at 0218Z, after clearing all weather and turning weather settings off in FSUIPC, then started AS, got the 0050Z weather for KALB, METAR KALB BKN 060 OVC 085. In FS9, I saw what looked like nice OVC layer, I then slewed up to 7000 feet, still saw the ground, finally at 12000 was in the clouds, still however able to see the ground through a "hole" around my aircraft and some holes in clouds. Why not solid OVC?Went to KSTL, Metar BKN 040 OVC 055 -RA, looked great on the ground, gloomy, rainy. Slewed up to 5900, got into a thin see- through layer of cloud, at 7000 a little thicker, ground still visible but hazy, at 9700 into almost solid OVC, still a couple holes but not around plane. ??not solid?Tried going into FS9 after a restart and just created an OVC layer from 3000 to 12000 with stratus clouds then cumulus clouds, slewed to 6000 and same thing, able to always see hazy ground through "hole" around my plane and it looked like I was right at the top of the layer. I then used the canned gray and gloomy setting from the weather choices in FS9 and everything was great, solid OVC around 4000, low vis, couldn't see the ground. Am I doing something wrong with my set up somewhere?? turned triliear filtering on, mip mapping to max, render to texture on...Cloud settings all to max. Ahhhh, just want realistic OVC layers..No holes. Using old AS with my FS2002 gave me nice solid OVC layers. No holes in the clouds. Looking forward to making this work! thanks for ideas..

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Dell Dimension 4550 with NVidia GeForce FX 5600 256 RAM2.4 GHz Pentium 4, 768 RAM, 160 GB hard driveSoundBlaster Live 24 Bit sound cardRoadrunner high speed wireless internet connectionScreen Res 1024 X 768, 32 bit.I saw on a Google search there is a file called 2004 Overcast, which has some Cirrus overcast redo textures it suggests using to make a 1 foot cirrus overcast just below the bottom of the stratus or cum OVC layer to "give a more realistic "solid" OVC layer, but that would have to be done manually. Is there an inherent problem with FS9 making a "solid" OVC?Could it be the OVC enhancement in AS isn't working correctly?

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Hi Doc,Yes, with a default FS04 setup there is a OVC problem and that is one feature of AS that we have attempted to fix. In general, it's got to be working or we would have reports otherwise. My problem is that due to real life stuff, I can't actually fly again until Saturday. So I keep offering my suggestions until then, from work right now and from home when I get a chance. Have we tried to reinstall FSUIPC and set it to it's default weather settings?Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

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I just did a fresh install the day before I added AS. I can retry. When you say reinstall do you mean take out the FSUIPC dll and ini files from the modules folder then just put back the dll? Is the default OVC problem pretty much what I describe? If so then maybe FSUIPC is the culprit. I fly VCAir on line and others rave about AS2004.5! I only run FS2004 and FS2002 on the main PC and now AS. I must have done something wrong somewhere! Just wanted the nice solid low ceiling IFR we often get here along the Mohawk Valley, often 3-400 foot OVC about a 1000 feet thick then layers above that.

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Sadly I think the holes in the clouds around your aircraft is a FS9 issue. It has always been that way (and yes, it does make practising real world IFR approaches less real). You'll find it is you use their built-in weather as well i.e. it isn't AS2004.5 which causes this particular problem.The sky showing scattered Cumulus when METAR reports OVC for KALB is something which may be how AS2004.5 interprets weather in the surrounding area from multiple stations, but the "hole in the cloud" is FS9's fault.

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I just spent another 2 hours fooling with it. I determined that hole in the cloud was probably FS9. I flew KBUF to KCLE into hard IFR with both FS2004 and AS2004.5 and FS2002 with AS v1.92 and it was much more realistic with 2002 and the old AS!! Sorry to say. Could always see the ground, in fact the AS weather was no different from little old FSMETAR I have. I am really disappointed in AS2004.5, I thought it was going to get rid of the visible ground in hard IFR. It should state on the AS website that this will be an issue for us real life IFR pilots looking for as real as it gets, I don't think I would have purchased it had I known it wouldn't clear that up. Thanks for all the help. Jim, let me know if there will be a fix for this someday!

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>Can you jump around a bit and find a station that your machine>does show OVC? I want you to see a solid layer so we know what>we are trying to work you towards at your home airport. If AS>was not showing OVC after this weekend, you know this board>would be filled with posts.As I also saw the issue at KALB with not showing a solid overcast layer with an OVC in the METAR I did a bit more research. I am no longer inclined to say that if this was a wider issue more would be raising it.My experiments were based on taking a station which reported an OVC (and similar at other close stations) and then making manual changes to the METAR in the current_wx_snapshot.txt file to see what happened with various changes (and yes, I am sure of how to interpret and create METARs).Firstly, I think I can answer why you haven't seen more reports. In most cases when you have an OVC, you are also very likely to have visibility of less than 10 SM. This means that FS9's 10 SM limit kicks in and basically puts up the grey clouds all around to fake it. In other words, what you are most likely seeing in these cases is not a complete overcast, but FS9's way to limit visibility below 10 SM. I proved this by taking a METAR with the same OVC of say OVC025, but which originally had a visibility of 5SM, and switching that to 15SM. When you viewed it in FS9, with the 5SM vis, you saw grey all around, but with 15SM, you essentially got something either scattered or broken i.e. no solid overcast.Secondly I observed that results seem to differ slightly if the OVC layer was not the lowest layer. For example, if you had just OVC090 on its own (with a 15SM), you'd get a sky which looked broken. If you however made it something like SCT025 OVC090 or BKN050 OVC090, in many cases the subsequent displayed sky actually looked like it had less clouds and the higher overcast had even less impact!Maybe more investigation is therefore warranted.

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Jim, I hope you don't think I question the accuracy, this is a great product! Unfortunately as Quantumleap has pointed out, it doesn't allow simulation of solid hard IFR, I was getting to the same conclusion as Quantum, it is just a visibility reduction you get, no layers of BKN or OVC clouds. FS2002 and the old v1.92 AS does a much better job of this. I just think for us real life guys that want as accurate as possible IFR simulation, it should be pointed out somewhere on the site that it isn't possible to simulate a solid OVC layere because of FS9 issues, I wouldn't have paid the relatively high price for this if that was the case since I get the exact same thing with freeware FSMetar! I still appreciate the attempts to make this work. I think less intense users just use mainly the cockpit view which doesn't allow you to see down or up so it appears more like a solid OVC, but in VC mode as you look around and down you see the ground and clear sky above all the time! Take care, I will keep watching your site for updates!Quantumleap, thanks for defining what I was seeing, I thought I was going crazy being the only one not getting solid OVC!! Happy flying!

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