Jim, I have tried all of your suggestions and I am still always flying in white out conditions. I have fog and haze unchecked in ASV. Once again today I did a flight from KDEN to KDFW and was in the soup the entire time. What do I need to do short of going back to AS2004.5? I am getting really frustrated with ASV. Do you offer a refund? Thanks.Bob

HI Bob,You are flying always in white out soup condition?, this is really not normal.Did you try to delete FSUIPC files related and reinstall? We have to find your issue until it is fixed. To disable the haze, you have to check, depict haze layer in option, try to change some day sky set it might help. ThanksChris WillisHiFi Simulation Software Team Developerhttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

Hi Bob,In addition, I need your whole asv.ini file and I need the whole METAR when this happens. We need to get you working right.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

Jim I posted this info in my other "haze" thread a few days ago. Your suggestions then didn't work. But I am not sure how to post the metar file. I tried to go back into ASV and download and save the weather from yesterday when I last had this problem. But just like last time the info started to download and didn't go any further. If you want to try it from your end, put in KDEN with the date of 07/06/05 at 1225hrs. This is what I used. No problem with haze on the ground. But once airborn it's haze all the way to DFW. Chris thanks for the reply. Yes I have reinstalled FSUIPC as well as ASV. I still get the haze. If I try to change the haze to none, it comes back as soon as the weather downloads again.

Hi, "I still get the haze. If I try to change the haze to none, it comes back as soon as the weather downloads again."You might try in the AE interface, haze, slider to thin, blueish. Metar reports is important, you might take a screenshots when it happend with the metar from the asv interface.-If your haze you are talking are cirrus clouds, you can't do anything about this, cirrus are in the metar reports.ThanksChris WillisHiFi Simulation Software Team Developerhttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

Hi Bob,Well, can you give me the settings you are using right now? To copy a METAR use your mouse and highlight the METAR in the top window of ASV and press Ctrl/C. The come here, open a reply and press Ctrl/V.Here is the METAR in question:KDEN 061153Z 25007KT 10SM FEW120 SCT220 12/09 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP125 T01220094 10200 20122 56001Two layers of high clouds, but no haze.Edit: Bob, one more thing: increase your maximum Visibility to 59, close down ASV and FS and restart both.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

Guys I think I might know what's going on. Maybe. In ASV I have been using the random setting. I was doing this because the manual says this is the most realistic setting if I want the clouds etc to match the metar report. But for some reason even if I go in and remove the haze after the weather updates, it always comes back the next time the weather updates. Even if there's no haze in the "real world". What I did today was to download the weather for DFW. Then I went into AE and turned off the haze. I also changed the setting in ASV from random to manual. I was able to get rid of the haze finally. But my concern now is that I am stuck using this particular cloud and environment set. Or am I? When the weather updates will it automatically change settings to resemble the weather metar? Or using manual will I have to change the settings myself each and everytime I fly? Is there a way to still use random (so clouds etc will match the metar) and disable the haze? So far when I use random no matter what settings I try I get the haze. Also I have been noticing the decoded metar doesn't match the metar that's downloaded for DFW. An example was yesterday the metar showed scattered clouds at 12000 and another layer higher up. But in the decoded area it reported no clouds at all. In this case which report does ASV use? The decoded or the not decoded? If this happens again I'll post it for you. I've seen this happen 3 times so far in both DFW and DEN. Is there a way to add a setting somewhere to always disable the haze even if we use random for realism? Bob

HI Bob,I knew this was not normal.I told you before, to select the haze slider to light. Normaly when you enable Depict fs9 haze layer from ASV option, it should remove it, When you enable this what's happend? the setting came back disabled in asv option?In Active Environment, you cannot disabled but reduce the slider to light, the haze is almost non noticable but still here very thiny.ThanksChris WillisHiFi Simulation Software Team Developerhttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

HI,The setting should be: -In asv option:FOG Layer generation- enabledDepict FS9 Haze Layer- enabled -Close ASV-Start ASV-Start Fs2004Or you use from the AE interface haze , slider to light area if your Depict FS9 Haze Layer is disabled.In the Manual it was all explaned under the Visibility section.Depict FS9 Haze Layer

What I have found is if you uncheck the suppress local weather changes this seems to help with the haze popping in and out

Chris,I have read the manual over and over. Maybe it should be translated into English a little better or more clear. Because in English when a setting says "To Depict FS Haze" this means to show it or enable it. Now if I am supposed to check this box like you have told me to, this means that FS9 haze will be present. If I am supposed to enable this to get rid of the haze like you say, then this needs to be clarified or changed in the manual. I am not stupid and I don't appreciate you coming off like I am stupid. You need to clarify what you mean. I am going back to AS2004.5. I have had it trying to get ASV to work without the haze. And now one of the developers wants to belittle me because he can't clarify English. You guys did good up until ASV. I am deleting it and will not buy another one of your products again. Jim thanks for your help.

Hi,I think there is a misunderstanding here! Nobody is belittling you! We are only trying to help and I can't see anything negative said by anyone!You have disabled visibility graduation, correct? This means that IF FS9 haze layer is NOT enabled (unchecked) then you're going to get a visibility layer from the ground to 100,000+ feet. Things are working normally, can you confirm?If you have NOT disabled visibility graduation then with FS9 haze layer turned off you will get graudation and clearing as you climb. I think this is the setting you want?We always recommend going to NORMAL DEFAULTS when you experience strange results.We have spent countless months adding flexibility and options based on user feedback.. we only give you guys what you want! Sometimes this adds complexity for those users who aren't interested in such options. We apologize for this! We are always open to suggestions on how to improve things for YOU.Feel free to contact me direct via e-mail for any further concerns/questions! Best,

Hi,Haze popping in or out?Remember, if haze transitions through 9.999sm, (or 59sm) you will always get a re-color of the horizon sky color, which can be dramatic. This is an FS9 thing.Disabling local suppression simply means that local (visable) stations are not changed so that visible weather changes are prevented during updates (you fly into your updated weather as you go beyond initial local range). This should not effect visibility at all...Can you clarify your results based on this info? Thanks!

What I mean by haze popping in and out is if I am flying and see clear skies ahead and suddenly I am flying through a thick layer of haze, then a few minutes later, it suddenly goes away, and I look around my airplane outside and it is clear all around.

I just tried this at KMSL where they are reporting 5 miles in Haze all around there. With FS 9 Haze depicted one climbs out and rises above the layer, and the ground is not visible in the murk which is realistic but at high altitudes the ring persists around the plane but in the distance it is clear. Very unrealistic.With FS 9 haze off, one still gets an abrupt change around 4,000 feet from murk to good but not perfect visibility, but the ground is clearly visible which it should not be with 5 SM in Haze.I am guessing that FS 9 is incapable of portraying at all altitudes an accurate visual representation of the Eastern summer haze layer as we see it flying which is an indefinite opaque flat layer beneath the inversion with clear visibility above.Greg