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[JSkorna 137]

Hi Rob,Here are my comments and suggestions:1. Gusts are working correctly as you saw in your latest flight. Don't use WeatherSet to judge this. The Turbulence column is a scale, not actual shifts and it is not constantly reading data. Use the Shift/Z display in FS04. Large shifts are NOT going to happen because of the wind smoothing properties of AS and FSUIPC. Remember that turbulence and wind shifts are the same thing in FS. About 5 MPH are about the most you are going to see, due to smoothing.2. With this in mind I would suggest that you experiment with a fresh FS9.cfg file and see if your experiences improve.3. No, resetting FSUIPC to default and turning weather settings Off does not eliminate wind smoothing. It resets FSUIPC to a defaut condition. By default there is a 5 mph, 5 deg/sec smoothing in FSUIPC.4. Suggestions:Lower your Suppression Ceiling to 5000Lower your Suppression Range to 100Force Destination Weather Zone OffDisable All Ground Updates OffI think I have covered everything! Give these things a look and a try. Then, let's try to keep your situations in this new thread. Ask anything you wish!To anyone else: PLEASE do not post problems in this thread, but start a new thresd and communicate your findings!! We will do our best to help everyone!Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

[ACA857 5]

Hi Jim,I will try this tonight.Not sure how this explains when I re-start AS6 and I get full gusts as reported in the METAR...and correct weather displayed...both airbourne or on ground.? Can I keep barometric pressure smoothing set in FSUIPC so I dont get dramatic shifts kicking off VNAV? I do understand the default/weather off better now, thanks for that.? Set force destination zone off...I assumed the prupose of that was to ensure correct weather at the destination airport...you are suggesting to DISABLE this / uncheck it? Please confirm.Just to clarify...when I say FS9 is not seeing/getting the weather, I am using sft-z to see what FS9 is modelling, I also compare to FSUIPC weather log to reconcile. When I say AS6 is showing...I am looking at the AS6 display.Thanks for looking at it, I will report back tonight.Rob.

[Gazer75 0]

Please read the User Guide chapter 1 - Options for detailed information on those.Also read chapter 3 - Updates and Suppression.Force Destination Wx Zone only copies your destination wx to other nearby stations within 80nm. Its still subject to any suppression that is in effect.

[ACA857 5]

I will review those sections - thank you for the references.

[ACA857 5]

I have applied the settings as noted above.Jury is still out...did 2 flights last night, but could not find any surface wind gusts around to test...What I can say is that on final approach I do NOT get the destination airport weather despite having processed a complete flight plan in FS9/AS6. I turned back on (enabled/checked) Force destination weather and I do see the correct destination weather, albeit forced over a nearby minor airport to my destination...at least on one of the two flights I did last night.Forgive me if this is covered in the manual somewhere...but surely processing a plan with a destination airport should somehow guarantee that when within range of the destination airport, the weather should lock to the destination? Another weather product I used had an option to lock in the destination airport weather when the aircraft was within xx NM of destination. Can this not be done with AS6? Please advise.I do appreciate the support effort here.Thanks,Rob.

[Gazer75 0]

There is no way AS can know what the weather will be like in advance. If the metar updates while you are within suppression range it will not change the wx at the station. This is done simply to remove instant changes around you.As I said before, if you want to make sure that you get current weather, no matter where you are at time of update, you need to remove all suppression options.Remember that the wx you see on the plan page is the current cycle at time of processing the plan. If you fly for a while and a new cycle is in effect the plan wx will not change.The wx is locked to destination when within the suppression range.Is your destination an airport with a wx station in FS, and does it have valid metar updates?Also...where are you looking at metar to compare to wx in FS? AS reported metar or some website? AS will be 15-45 minutes late due to all the work that needs to be done on the server. Dont expect to get a metar published on weather sites instantly in AS. Afaik the server is collecting metars every 15 minutes.

[ACA857 5]

The airports I used for testing are CYYZ and CYOW, both international airports with regular METAR updates."The wx is locked to destination when within the suppression range."ok, just to clarify...what WXR is locked in as the destination within supression range?...the latest destination weather or the destination weather as it existed when I processed the flight plan? From what I am seeing, it's the latter.To compare METAR, I look at what AS6 is saying the METAR is supposed to be compared with what FS9 is actually displaying (shft-z).

[JSkorna 137]

Hi Rob,I am pretty sure it is the weather at the time of the plan process. I checked the manual and that is not clear.Thanks!Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

[ACA857 5]

>Hi Rob,>>I am pretty sure it is the weather at the time of the plan>process. I checked the manual and that is not clear.>>Thanks!>Jim>>http://www.hifisim.com/>Active Sky V6 Development Team >Active Sky V6 Proud Supporter>HiFi Beta Team>Radar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/>AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/>FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/If DEST weather is 'locked' as it existed when the plan was processed, then my 7 hour pond hops would result in landing in weather that is at least 7 hours old - assuming I processed the plan before I take off from DEP airport. Say it ain't so? :-)Is there the possibility of incorporating...a new feature with the next AS6 release whereas a "LOCK TO DEST APT DISTANCE" value can be applied which will force AS6 to refresh the destination weather when within the 'lock to destination' distance. This logic might be refrehs DEST airport METAR and 'lock to DEST' AS6 submit to FS9 when range to DEST is =/< lock to distance. This refresh should supercede all supression settings...this would almost guarantee accurate weather at destination when used in conjunction with the already existing option to force destination weather in surrounding stations. This logic does exist in 'other' weather programs, can AS6 apply this logic?Over to you.Rob.

[JSkorna 137]

Hi Rob,It is already there in 2 forms: lower your suppression ceiling or shorten your suppression range.At this point what I am trying to understand is why locking destination weather is so important? In a real flight weather can constantly be changing at your destination so why not in FS? If it is for reporting purposes, ATIS will give you current conditions if in range. Before a flight the flight plan will show things. During flight, FlightWatch can be used to voice the current conditions at your destination. Another possibility is to reprocess the plan and the NavLog will show the conditions. I am not tring to be negative or difficult, but I am trying to understand what you are wanting to happen in FS when using AS!Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

[ACA857 5]

Hi Jim,I am not suggesting to lock in 'old' destination weather, rather the opposite.I suppose I am hung up on the suppression range/altitude. Assuming a suppression range of 100nm / 5000feet, if I am less than 100nm to destination and a weather update occurs, the latest destination weather is supressed - this results in dated weather at the arrival airport - which is what I am seeing and other users reporting as an issue. I am suggesting, in order to have FS9 receive the latest/accurate destination weather without having to re-process the plan or reduce the AS6 suppression range...that AS6 might incorporate a lock to destination distance option whereby range/alt suppression is ignored -only within the destination zone- for the purposes of ensuring latest weather during the approach and landing.I realise there may be a trade of in this scenario where sudden weather changes may occur within the destination lock zone, but I would hazard a guess that most users would prefer accurate weather for the approach/landing and forgive the possibility of a sudden weather shift within the destination zone. Only a suggestion, I dont mean to irritate...but it seems like a simple enough fix as an option that users can choose not to use if they prefer.Over to you.Rob.

[JSkorna 137]

Hi Rob,OK, a good explanation. Please drop a line to tell-us@hifisim.com. That is where we catalog and track all suggestions!Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

[ACA857 5]

Will do, and thanks for the help.Rob.