Should I release this baby ? "Turf and Sport Special"

[Guest Rattle]

I have repainted the DC-3 from MAAM to represent C-47 "Turf and Sport Special" from the 61st TCS in Operation MARKET GARDEN during September of 1944. The Plane is bearing invasion stripes on the lower parts of the fuselage and wings. The top side was overpainted after the invasion with OD paint, but it rapidly faded away.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103675.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103676.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103677.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103678.jpgSo far so good, but here is the problem. Due to the placement of the textures on the model, this is as far as i can extend the invasion stripes on the lower surfaces on the wings. If u would paint the flaps and ailerons , u would paint other parts of the plane, u don't want to.It was already a pain to paint the rear fuselage but for the wings, this is as far as it goes.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103680.jpgNow here is my question. Should I release this baby ? Usually I don't like to release unfinished things but this is all i can do about it.Regards,Rattle

[E 0]

>Now here is my question. Should I release this baby ? Usually>I don't like to release unfinished things but this is all i>can do about it.Considering how many people flew the stock DC-3 with insignias on both wings, I think it's a moot point that the readme can cover. *grin*

[Guest kennethg]

I'd say release it. It looks too good to hang the project up because of a quirk like that. I'm also a WWII re-enactor doing the British Parachute Regiment and would love to see more Operation Market-Garden C-47s and Dakotas. A good Dakota to do would be Y-SL, KG374, which was flown by Flt. Lt. David S. A. Lord. He was awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross after getting hit by AA fire on approach to Arnhem. Not only did he keep going, but he also went around twice over the drop zone because it was too small to drop all the supplies on the first go. He then held the aircraft steady to get all his crew members out, but went down with the plane when the wing collapsed.

[rambow 0]

Hi Rattle.It's your call, but there is a solution right around the corner. Jan is in the final stages on Tico Belle and the problems you have run into are solved, as you can see...http://www.fssupport.com/maam_sim/tico.jpgBut since it's been a bear to do, you may not want to do it all over on another model, so why not go ahead and release her. I saw The T&S Special just this summer at the Air Transport Command Museum, Dover AFB. I went up there in hopes of getting some really good interior shots, especially of the folding paratrooper seats. Alas, there was not a single seat aboard, aft of the cockpit!Great museum, though, and a very helpful staff. I highly recommend a vist for anyone in the region.Bill Rambow MAAM-SIM - Rambow, Visser, Banting, Young, Womack, Sodja & Beaumonthttp://www.fssupport.com/maam_sim/maamsim_logo.gif

[Guest Rattle]

Good to hear Bill."Turf and Sport Special" is now available in the File Library.Regards,Rattle

[alastairmonk 0]

Very nicely done ! I took a flight in it a day or so ago and am very happy with the livery.Congratulations !Alastair

[Guest kennethg]

Hi, Rattle. I DL'd your repaint and I love it. Great job, love the weathering.

[Guest SWA2873]

Hi Bill;You need some pics of bucket seats?Tom turner has an interior shot of a C-47 of the New York National Guard which shows these rather nicely at airliners.net.Just click on the rather long URL to see it!http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=168567&WxsIERv=Qbhtynf%20QP3P-47&WdsYXMg=HFN%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr&QtODMg=Arj%20Lbex%20-%20Syblq%20Oraargg%20Svryq%20%28pybfrq%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Arj%20Lbex&ktODMp=Znl%202001&BP=1&WNEb25u=Gbz%20Gheare&xsIERvdWdsY=4476457&MgTUQtODMgKE=Pa%2016041%2F32789.%20Ynfg%20npgvir%20freivpr%20jvgu%20Arj%20Lbex%20Fgngr%20Angvbany%20Thneq.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=672&NEb25uZWxs=2001-06-11%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Qbhtynf%20QP-3%20%28P-47%2F53%2F117%2FE4Q%2FFxlgenva%2FQnxbgn%29%27%20BE%20nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Onfyre%20OG-67%20Gheob-67%27%20BE%20nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27NZV%20QP-3-65GC%20Gheob%27%29%20NAQ%20%28nveyvar%20YVXR%20%27HFN%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr%25%27%29%20NAQ%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22Arj%22%20%2B%22Lbex%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=4&prev_id=168568&next_id=099050&tbl=MILITARY&size=L'> The interior is decidely upscale with noise proofing and such. Note the cable for the static line hook-up.I will also ask some of my contacts with the WWII ADT down in Laughton Oklahoma if they could supply me with interior shot of their bird. It is ex Israeli with a combination of passenger seating (up front) and bucket seats.Sam

[Guest Railrunner130]

It was a Guard airplane, which explains how the noise proofing got there. The Guard usually adds lots of nice touches to keep their equipment in good shape. The seats don't look too much different than the modern C-130 seats.

[Guest SWA2873]

Yeah the more I look at that shot of the New York National Guard bird the more I am inclined to think it is of a post war configuration.for one the yellow nylon netting is definately 1950's and later.Descriptions I have heard of the seats in these things from WWII vets almost universally state they were hard and most uncomforatable.For contrast here is an image I scanned from AN 01-40NC-1 "PILOTS FLIGHT INSTRUCTIONS FOR ARMY MODELS C-47, C-47A, C-47B NAVY MODELS R4D-1, R4D-5,R4D-6 British Models DAKOTA I, DAKOTA III, DAKOTA IV AIRPLANES" 20 November 1944 (Revised 5 February 1945 Page 26"http://home.europa.com/~bessel/PAC/Briefing/troop-2.jpg" Note the "Bench" seating made of alluminum. The front of the bench folds up and under the actual seat part. The benches are hinged where they join the fuselage and fold out of the way when not needed.The belts are cotton webbing (Olive Drab #7 Shade).Good interior shots of period C-47's can be seen in the movies "You Gotta Stay Happy" and "Objective Burma".I beleive the Airborne And Special operations Museum at Fort Bragg also has a mock-up of a troop compartment for a C-47!Sam

[Dark Moment 0]

To Jan ... I have a C-47 just down the road here in full bucket mode. Need any pics of the interior? My digital camera is 5.0 MP so I could probably get you a few useful shots, perhaps.She's in D-Day stripes, too.I am trying to persuade the owner to let me have a few hours in the cockpit.... don't need to tell you why.http://www.americanairpowermuseum.com/Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

[Guest Javis]

>To Jan ... I have a C-47 just down the road here in full>bucket mode. Need any pics of the interior?To Dark... is the Pope catholic ? Wouldn't mind some of the exterior as well, Mark ! Sam : great photo there, thanks ! cheers,Jan

[Guest SWA2873]

OK here a couple of interior shots of a stick from A Comapany, 517th PIR boarding an aircraft for the invasion of Southern France.These images are from Michel De Trez' "First Allied Ariborne Task Force" available from D-Day Publishing http://www.d-day-publishing.be/ .http://home.europa.com/~bessel/PAC/Briefing/517th.jpgTroopers enter the aircraft and take their seats. The door in the background is to the crew compartment. Their is a one quart Carbon Tetrachloride fire extinguisher on the bulkhead to the right of the door.Note the lack of seat belts on the benches.http://home.europa.com/~bessel/PAC/Briefing/medic.jpgNote the Mae West life preservers hanging at the rear of the cargo compartment. The electricl boxes forward of the door are the signal lights for the stick (Red light="READY" Green light="GO" in the black box) and the control for dropping the aerial delivery containers from their racks underneath the fuselage fo the aircraft.The door in the backgorund is for a lavatory and an areial delvery container-a "door bundle" can be seen to the left in the image.The interior of the compartment is painted with green zinc chromate primer.Still looking for good images of the gun ports for the windows.Sam

[Guest SWA2873]

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[Guest Javis]

Interesting photos again,Sam, thanks a lot ! Picked up this one myself a while ago :http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/106900.jpgSooo, do you want me to rip out the upholstery in the DC-3 VC cabin ?? I guess so,huh... Mark : if you have the chance, could you take one of them bucket seats in your C-47 down the road and shoot a few piccies of the opposite wall (straight forward ) ? If needed use the flashy bit ?Thanks! cheers,Jan