Should I release this baby ? "Turf and Sport Special"

[Guest Edd1]

What do I have to do to view the areas marked with a red X, or is that for viewing? Edd

[rambow 0]

Those are broken links. I don't know why the pictures have disappeared. Perhaps the original posters can edit and report their messages.Bill Rambow MAAM-SIM - Rambow, Visser, Banting, Young, Womack, Sodja & Beaumonthttp://www.fssupport.com/maam_sim/maamsim_logo2.gif

[Guest SWA2873]

Your welcome Jan;Just a reminder that Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumont was the guy with the C-47 down the road from his location.Sam

[Guest SWA2873]

By ripping the upholstery out of the DC-3VC cabin do you mean the soundproofing in the cockpit? Nah!Its not atypical for a working C-47 to have this. I really like the Virtual cockpit as it is!The Crew/Cargo compartment is another thing.Just my opinion.Sam

[Guest Javis]

Yup, was talking to Mark with the 'Mark : ' ;-)Jan

[Guest Javis]

>By ripping the upholstery out of the DC-3VC cabin do you mean>the soundproofing in the cockpit? >>Nah!>>Its not atypical for a working C-47 to have this. I really>like the Virtual cockpit as it is!>>The Crew/Cargo compartment is another thing.With the DC3VC cabin i *did* mean the crew/cargo compartiment,Sam, not the cockpit.. Because there won't be any pax seats in the C-47 trooper config a lot of poly's will be eliminated, hence some room left to add all the 3D formers and strengtheners. This'll mean a complete rearrangement of the VC cabin,i.e. more time needed to complete a C-47 model. If you ask me it will be nice to 'walk around' the VC cabin like it is shown in the photos above rather then just with the bucket seats replacing the pax seats and the normal pax-config-cabin-upholstery still present. In fact i already started with this work, i mostly can't wait to see what a really different config is going to look like and how much time will be involved to complete it. I'll put some screenshots up when i have something to show. cheers,Jan

[Guest Javis]

Pictures can either be shown from Avsim storage or via links to other sites. The former however will be removed from Avsim storage in a couple of weeks. This particular thread is already a few weeks old. Rattle used the Avsim storage method to show his screenshots hence they are gone now. The pictures you can still see in older threads here are mostly from Maam-Sim crew linked from their ftp site.cheers,Jan

[Guest SWA2873]

Cool!I know how it can be. I came to the conclusion that I could do as much as could be doen with a Normandy era C-47 repaint of the BPB and went ahead with an Earlier Sicily invasion scheme. Not done. Will post an screenshot when it is.In the mean time,...since you are already working on the mew model. i thought it would be nice to post those antennae Iwas talking about here.First here is an image from my personal notes showing the two different types used with the REBECCA system on board the aircraft.http://home.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/install.jpgThis image shows the general location of the two types of antenna.http://home.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/install.jpgThe AN-148's are circled in red. The AN-147 is circled in yellow!http://home.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/AN-147-A.jpgAn AN-147A antanna in Robin Bartel's collection.http://home.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/AN-148.jpgAn AN-148 antenna the front is to the left and the trailing edge is to the right. The bare parts are cadmium plated and the rest is flat black.http://www.ramsburyatwar.com/media/Demos---Ed-Goldstein.jpgA better image of the AN-148 (Courtsey of Ramsbury at War http://www.ramsburyatwar.com/ )http://www.ramsburyatwar.com/media/damper.jpgAn exhaust flame damper found near Ramsbury (Courtsey of Ramsbury at War http://www.ramsburyatwar.com/ )http://www.ramsburyatwar.com/media/damper2.jpgAnother exhaust flame damper installed on an aircraft at the Airborne Museum at St Mere Eglise in Normandy (Courtsey of Ramsbury at War http://www.ramsburyatwar.com/ )It should be noted that the EUREKA/REBECCA homing system was not used prior to Normandy. Earlier aircraft did not have the antenna shown above.http://www.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/Oudja1.jpgTroops loading an A-5 aerial delivery in a rack under a C-47 in preparationf for either a training operation in Tunisia or for the Sicily Invasion (1943) (Courtesy of the 3/505th PIR (AHA) http://home.europa.com/~bessel/505th/505th.html )http://www.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/Racks1.jpgIllustration showing a 75 mm pack howitzer installed in aerial delivery containers underneath a C-47. There are six racks (Standard)http://www.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/Racks2.jpgA pair of troopers from E Co. 326th Engineer Bn. (101st Airborne) loading an A-5 Aerial delivery container in preparation for Operation NEPTUNE ALBANY The Normandy Invasion.These guys were from "The Filthy Thirteen" who inspired the movie "The Dirty Dozen".http://www.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/Racks3.jpghttp://www.europa.com/~bessel/505thPIR/Racks4.jpgAnyway I think that's enough images for now. Let me know if you want some of the containers themselves.Sam

[Guest SWA2873]

A quick work of explanation.In case it is not clear the AN-148 antennae are mounted in pairs, one each on each side of the fuselage under the piot and copilot windows respectively.Those bars with the tightening knobs on the pararacks with are meant to brace the container so it does not wobble from side to side in flight. means of retention/release is via a standard bomb shackle adapted for the purpose.Now if you use any of this, that's great, if not I hope you found it interesting :-)Sam

[Guest Javis]

Thanks a lot again for these photos,Sam, highly appreciated !First time for me to see photos of specific C-47 details like the b/w ones and flame damper you posted here. I did know a bit about the AN-148 antenna which is actually featured on one of my earlier FS C-47 model mods. I might've added the AN-174A at one time too without knowing.... (-: Is it me or do the 148 antenna's look way much smaller in the 'circled in red' photo compared to the one in the Ramsbury photo ? What do you think, should the 148 ( and maybe 174A too ) antenna's come with the 'standard' C-47 troopship model or do we keep 'em for a later C-47 'special' iteration ?I could think of a C-47 'special' with the A-5 aerial delivery system and flame damper added. ( out goes the nice Jan Rosenberg start-up flames effect.. :( ) Not really sure but it seems to be possible to drop stuff from aircraft in FS9 these days.I'm working on the C-47 in between work on the new MAAM-SIM project ( will be officially annouced shortly ) and it's progressing nicely.Thanks again for all the great photos ! cheers,Jan

[Guest SWA2873]

Your welcome Jan. its my pleasure,...really!The AN-148's are the same size in both images. I think the difference is due to a matter of perspective.The containers could be released individually or simultaneously by the jumpmaster from his station near the door or the copilot from an overhead panel on his side of the cockpit. In some instances, specifically the 505th PIR at DZ "O" in Normandy, the containers were "Daisy chained", or connected together to minimize the risk of their scattering and getting lost.The parachute canopies were color coded to denote the nature of the load in the containers. These were, if I remember correctly, 24-foot circular types.I will see if I can dig out my calculations on descent rates for these and the notes I have on color coding.There are still a couple details I am unclear on; The hoods for the aircraft lights and the antenna for the SCR-717C radio set (AKA "Belly button Radar") This last one is not applicable to the average C-47. but was used on lead ships in foramtions as well as pathfinder aircraft. I am still looking.I agree that it would be a good idea to produce a standard production C-47A and then work on producing a troop carrier variant or two afterwards.Boy am I glad we don't have to deal with the compromises presented by the default Microsoft DC-3 model when producing a C-47 texture set for it.http://www.wwiiadt.com/ADTVideo.htmSam