Longest range with PSS Wordliner?

[Guest vilius1]

Dear All,It would be interesting to know what was the longest range successfully flown by you with PSS model of 200LR? Is it really able to go 9420 nautical miles as the real thing?Also, any insights into the definition of max range? Perhaps max range is calculated for calm air (no headwinds, no tailwinds)? Any headwind effectively reduces ground speed and max range.So logically thinking, establishing a regular service between two distant airports requires to evaluate max range, adjusted for maximum possible headwind? BTW, Boeing announced today that they are going for a new world record with 200LR: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051108h.htmlThey are going to fly 11,000 nautical miles.Again, I wonder how it may be possible.Either they are allowed to stuff extra fuel tanks into cargo or passenger areas (but then it is no longer standard configuration!) or they plan to take advantage of strong tailwinds? Are such records flown in standard or special configuration?Cheers,Vilius

[Guest NormanB]

Of the testers, I was probably the idiot that took the bird out for long haul in real time.Excuse the (lack of) formatting.Created On Pilot Name Pilot ID06/11/2005 15:20:00 Norman Blackburn 0544G Aircraft Title Aircraft Type Tail Number Flight TypePSS Boeing 777-200LR PHOENIX No VC BOEING B772 N772LR IFR Airline Flight Number Flight Level Passenger CargoFlag Ship 1123 FL410 308 23187 Origin Airport Gate Runway SID TransitionEGLL - Heathrow Gate 411 09R / 27L DVR 6000 Destination Airport Gate Runway STAR TransitionYSSY - Kingsford Smith Intl Gate 10 16R / 34L AUDLY1 10000 Alternate AirportYMML - Melbourne Intl ZFW (lbs)396,581Time OUT Time OFF Takeoff IAS (kts)05.11.2005 18:59 05.11.2005 19:16 205Time ON Landing IAS (kts) Time IN 07.11.2005 01:01 133 07.11.2005 01:09 Block Time Block Fuel (lbs)20:10 324,163Flight Time Flight Fuel (lbs)19:45 316,909Day Flight Time Night Flight Time07:39 12:06 Flight Distance (nm) Planned Route Distance (nm)9614 9380http://www.knightair.com/fsfk/Images/PIREP...185900-1123.jpg

[SwervR1 1]

If it works like the Qantas 747 flight from Heathrow to Sydney, it involves heavy fuel, being towed to the runway for start up and no passengers!RegardsMervyn

[Guest bjjones]

>They are going to fly 11,000 nautical miles.>Again, I wonder how it may be possible.>Either they are allowed to stuff extra fuel tanks into cargo>or passenger areas (but then it is no longer standard>configuration!) or they plan to take advantage of strong>tailwinds? Are such records flown in standard or special>configuration?Tail winds were certainly a factor in choosing this route, which was delayed from earlier in the year purely because winds are stronger towards the end of the year. As for special configurations, theres nothing special about the aircraft doing the record today other than there will only be 35 people on board.Also the 777-200LR doing this flight doesn't have any auxiliary tanks, so this isn't a 9420nm 772LR, but an 8800nm 772LR.Also when it arrives at Heathrow, there has to be sufficient fuel remaining on board to allow 45 minutes in a hold, and then beyond that 1 hour 15 minutes for flight to an alternate, so 11,000nm is barely stretching it's legs, shows just how capable the 777 frame is.The Seattle PI have got some good information online about the flight http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/boeing/

[Guest matsuman]

Vilius,I did a westbound flight (44kts static headwind) from YSSY to EGLL in real time.With full fuel on board at 390 ZFW, the plane ran out of fuel about 430nm from UK. Total flight time after zero fuel was 20 hrs and 54 min.If this is going to a be regular route, they have to consider fuel weight, passenger load and a respectable headwind.Kin M.(KLAX)

[Guest vilius1]

Norman - WOW!!That was impressive account, like one of those articles by Andrew Herd! :-)Did you use any real weather program, like FSMeteo - to generate realistic winds? And did you climb to FL410 right away or gradually step-climbed, always being at optimal flight level (which I suppose must be suggested by FMC)?And also, is there any good place on the web to get on-line flying education? :-)Vilius

[Guest vilius1]

Hehe, so what did you do - diverted or crashed? :-)

[Guest bjjones]

>With full fuel on board at 390 ZFW, the plane ran out of fuel>about 430nm from UK. Total flight time after zero fuel was 20>hrs and 54 min.>If this is going to a be regular route, they have to consider>fuel weight, passenger load and a respectable headwind.The 777-200ULR offered to QANTAS for that route would have a lightened interior so lower empty weight, and an additional 2 auxiliary tanks, not sure if the pss model has aux tanks or not (no airlines have currently ordered the LR with extra tanks) and the ranges obviously differ depending on what the airlines choose, it's 9420 with 4 tanks, around 8700 without any, and in excess of 10000 with 6 tanks.The passenger load figures being thrown about are suggesting around 200 to 250 in an all business configuration

[Guest NormanB]

>Vilius,>>I did a westbound flight (44kts static headwind) from YSSY to>EGLL in real time.>With full fuel on board at 390 ZFW, the plane ran out of fuel>about 430nm from UK. Total flight time after zero fuel was 20>hrs and 54 min.>If this is going to a be regular route, they have to consider>fuel weight, passenger load and a respectable headwind.Vilius,I did the YSSY-EGLL route also but was empty of cargo. I landed with less than 8100KG (flightkeeper punished me for low fuel). Flown online, active sky 5 enhanced.

[Guest NormanB]

Vilius,>That was impressive account, like one of those articles by>Andrew Herd! :-)Thanks - blame Thomas Molitor at www.flightkeeper.org >Did you use any real weather program, like FSMeteo - to>generate realistic winds? Active Sky 5.>is there any good place on the web to get on-line>flying education? :-)From one of our other testers, Steve Cullen - www.vatsim.net/prc/>And did you climb to FL410 right>away or gradually step-climbed, always being at optimal flight>level (which I suppose must be suggested by FMC)?Exccuse yet more poor formatting!Flight PlanNr. Name Type Time Fuel (lbs) IAS (kts) Alt (ft)1 EGLL Airport 19:16 351,276 218 6742 DVR VOR 19:34 339,988 278 238893 KONAN Intersection 19:38 338,544 278 264094 AMASI Intersection 21:07 329,409 279 310005 BOMBI Intersection 21:13 327,601 286 309996 ESATI Intersection 21:15 326,920 307 310027 LOHRE Intersection 21:17 326,424 319 310038 PIGMI Intersection 21:20 325,178 322 310019 SULUS Intersection 21:22 324,584 322 3100210 LONLI Intersection 21:24 323,857 322 3100011 KULOK Intersection 21:26 323,264 322 3099912 ABERU Intersection 21:28 322,684 322 3100013 OKG06 Intersection 21:29 322,338 322 3100114 OKG VOR 21:30 322,132 322 3099915 DONAD Intersection 21:32 321,259 322 3100316 DOPOV Intersection 21:33 321,077 322 3100317 OKL VOR 21:38 319,417 322 3100318 LETNA Intersection 21:39 319,186 322 3100019 PEMUR Intersection 21:44 317,557 322 3100320 DOBIL Intersection 21:46 316,976 322 3100321 SOPAV Intersection 21:55 313,885 322 3100022 PADKA Intersection 21:56 313,548 322 3100323 SKAVI Intersection 22:03 311,083 314 3213324 RASOG Intersection 22:11 308,508 310 3300125 DIBED Intersection 22:18 306,435 309 3299926 NALAD Intersection 22:33 301,408 310 3300027 KOROP Intersection 22:40 299,322 309 3300028 NM NDB 22:45 297,803 310 3300129 REPLI Intersection 00:05 291,609 307 3300230 RASPU Intersection 00:21 286,762 313 3300131 VILUR Intersection 00:31 283,831 311 3300132 TESMI Intersection 00:59 275,280 311 3300133 MARAL Intersection 03:00 256,987 294 3500334 SAPAR Intersection 03:28 248,686 293 3500035 MAMED Intersection 03:41 245,333 293 3499936 AFGAN Intersection 03:44 244,358 293 3500037 KEMOR Intersection 03:51 242,559 293 3500038 MARAD Intersection 05:06 238,049 280 3700439 RANAH Intersection 05:18 234,751 281 3700340 VELDT Intersection 05:30 231,491 281 3700241 HORST Intersection 05:41 228,415 280 3700342 MAXIN Intersection 05:48 226,414 281 3700143 ROSIE Intersection 06:00 223,233 281 3700344 ZB VOR 06:04 222,329 280 3700045 BI VOR 06:19 218,388 280 3700346 MURLI Intersection 06:23 217,429 280 3700347 TIGER Intersection 06:30 215,387 278 3700148 JJP VOR 07:54 208,994 281 3700049 INTIL Intersection 07:59 207,646 281 3700350 BAVOX Intersection 08:04 206,436 281 3700351 KKJ VOR 08:23 201,522 280 3699852 BBS VOR 09:13 188,481 280 3700353 MABUR Intersection 09:56 177,360 278 3700554 LIBDI Intersection 11:15 172,524 279 3700255 NISUN Intersection 11:19 171,652 279 3700456 MIPAK Intersection 11:40 166,117 278 3700457 TAVUN Intersection 12:02 160,722 280 3699958 PUT VOR 12:22 155,738 264 3900359 DALAN Intersection 12:38 151,854 264 3900160 VPL VOR 12:39 151,587 264 3900361 VIH VOR 12:57 147,441 264 3900262 ANSOM Intersection 13:02 146,211 264 3900363 LATUK Intersection 13:14 143,457 251 3900264 DAMAL Intersection 13:20 142,077 252 3900365 VJR VOR 13:27 140,671 251 3900066 JB NDB 13:29 140,246 252 3900067 SJ VOR 13:31 139,705 252 3900568 TI NDB 13:37 138,429 251 3900069 AKTOD Intersection 14:54 134,703 251 4100370 SANOS Intersection 14:57 133,927 251 4099971 APARI Intersection 15:13 130,307 254 4100372 APAGA Intersection 15:22 128,430 254 4100273 AKULA Intersection 15:25 127,534 254 4100274 SABIL Intersection 15:35 125,083 258 4100175 SUMBU Intersection 15:44 122,945 257 4100276 SIPUT Intersection 16:02 118,663 257 4099977 BLI VOR 16:29 112,181 257 4100378 ILDAM Intersection 16:48 107,654 258 4100079 ATMAP Intersection 17:03 104,094 266 4100080 CIN VOR 19:00 90,692 257 4100081 TATUK Intersection 19:23 85,322 257 4100382 TIMMI Intersection 19:54 77,979 259 4100283 AS VOR 20:17 72,765 259 4100084 KALUG Intersection 21:38 67,969 258 4100285 POLEV Intersection 21:48 65,725 257 4100186 APOMA Intersection 22:22 58,294 264 4098187 VIMAB Intersection 22:40 54,098 238 4100188 PKS VOR 22:59 49,942 264 4100389 MAKKA Intersection 23:09 47,679 261 4100290 TARAL Intersection 23:12 46,956 266 4100591 RIVET Intersection 00:15 46,263 265 4100192 YSSY Airport 01:01 34,614 127 57

[Guest vilius1]

Well, there are no auxiliary tanks on PSS fuel display.But maybe they are not supposed to be seen there?Vilius

[Guest matsuman]

I landed in Poland instead............... :-)I will simulate the HKG to EGLL (eastbound) tonight.Put some major tailwind on this and see how it goes.Kin M.(KLAX)

[markadeane 272]

Norman, What's the flight planner you're using here? Would you recommend it?I might start a thread about this actually!

[Guest NormanB]

Mark,I have some real world planner friends who oblige my silly requests.I also use FSBuild.