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I would like to know if the 'patch' will be announced anywhere besides here or at the Phoenix site? Also will it be downloadable from any other sites to prevent jamming up the server at Phoenix?Rick

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Rick,The service pack / patch / whatever will be announced here, on our site and at various FS sites including AVSIM.comDelivery will be using the web installer which will transparently connect to the remote file servers.

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>how about a release date?No. Dates mean pressure which means mistakes. I am sure that you, like I, wish for no further mistakes.

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>>how about a release date?>>No. Dates mean pressure which means mistakes. I am sure that>you, like I, wish for no further mistakes.>If you are so close to release the patch as you say , whats the problem?Fernando

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The problem is if I say today and then we dont make today then people will complain.The other side is if I say (example) September then people ask why so long. Therefore the only right solution is to not give a date.

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I don't expect a precise date, and even if you gave one I wouldn't be upset if you missed it, but you must have a good idea of the rough timescale for the patch? PSS must know what's left to be fixed, or tested, and how long that's likely to take. I know flightsim add-ons are a special case, but this is a commercial product, so customers ought to be told your best estimate. That would also kill off the feeling that the project timescale is sliding because of the 3 way race to release a full 757 product. Without a published target, where's the pressure to complete the 777?The sim is far from unusable as some would insist, but the promise that there are improvements on the way does mean it feels unfinished.Kevin

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Kevin,We are in no 757 race. The 757, aside from the model and repaints, has been mothballed for eons. Our commitment is to patching the 777 first and that patch is in very late testing. To give an idea, yesterday the testers had a whopping 300kb to download, based on feedback.

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Norman,Appreciate your feedback and the hints. Sorry about the comment about the race to get a 757 out. I wrote that before reading other posts to the effect that the 757 was mothballed for the time being.My bad guess. I thought PSS might be put off track by the way a competitor launched a half finished 757 (with a 767 VC!) to try and collar the market. That's one addon I won't be rushing to buy.Good to see you have your priorities right.Kevin

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hi Norman,what bugs are you fixing in the patch in relation to the ones listed in the sticky post ? (or others if any)I actually found the worst bugs being bumping cruizing, cannot save the flight and panel status, and the others related expecially to flighing online.thank yougeorge

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George,By "bumping cruizing" do you mean a porpousing effect? What issues do you have saving a flight? You should simply use the FS menu Flights | Save flight.Online flight TCAS works - what else?

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Hi Norman,by "bumping cruizing" I meant the Oscillation at cruise bug which is reported in the Sticky Post and I actually have during my flights.The flight saving issue, is the following. If I start a flight, enter stuff in the FMC, change status on the panels, and so on... then I save the flight. Well, when I load that flight back, it loose the data in the FMC, as well as in the setup panel, .... I find this expecially bad since it doesnt make it easy to flight long hauls ;)These two are the ones I consider the main bugs from my point of view.There are the others listed in the Sticky Post, which I was wwondering thair fixes are bieng included in the patch as well :)thank yougeorge

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George,Oscillation is the FDE and as long as people use the load edit then this shouldnt (isnt) be an issue wit the patched aircraft.From day one I have been able to save a flight and reload it at a later stage with no issues. I am a real fan of long hauls too!I havent cross referenced the sticky post in the past few days but believe issues in regard to planned features listed there are all addressed.

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>George,>>Oscillation is the FDE and as long as people use the load edit>then this shouldnt (isnt) be an issue wit the patched>aircraft.>>From day one I have been able to save a flight and reload it>at a later stage with no issues. I am a real fan of long>hauls too!>>I havent cross referenced the sticky post in the past few days>but believe issues in regard to planned features listed there>are all addressed.Norman,sorry but I dont understand your point. What patched aircraft are you talking about? BTW what is "FDE" ?what I currently report with my PSS777 2004 aircraft is that it DOES have oscillation at cruise, as reported in the Sticky Post.I just tried to fly it again, (it's been some time not using the simulator) and well the oscillation IS there.As stated in the Sticky post, it seems to be no oscillation if you keep CG below 18% in fact. What I did then? I set up the aircraft to get a CG of slightly less than 18% (trim of about 8.25) and I took off... the plane had no oscillation. But as fuel got burned, the CG increased over 18% and oscillation started again! So it is actually a problem. Is this a bug or a misconfiguration by my fault? I used the included Excel calculator to load the airplane. Is the 777 supposed to fly with the CG being ALWAYS lower than 18% ?This sounds strange to me, since I can fly other airplanes (767, 737) with a CG of 23% for example.But again it may be something I get wrong.Whatever the case, since in the sticky it's described this as being a bug. You talked about a patched aircraft... you mean the patch you are currently testing and that will be released ?Second point, regarding saving flights.It does not work since it does NOT save FMC status. It DOES mess up with the legs and route page, the aircraft is same status as when you saved the flight, but the FMC is messed up, it has NO data ....this does not let me save a long haul flight in the middle of it.This is reported on the Sticky post as well.thanksgeorge

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George,The patched aurcraft is the one that the beta testers currently have. As of last night there were no issues to report. FDE is the flight dynamics - ie the way it flies. Whilst the excel spreadsheet is good, a much easier utility is the load editor available with the aircraft. If you have not already done so, please redownload the base installer.

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Norman,The save flight issue is one that I have seen since day one as well. The error seems erratic though. Sometimes the detail of the FMC is intact, other times you have to reload the flight and then tell the aircraft which waypoint you are approaching to remove all the detail that you have already flown passed.

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thank you.So is the save flight issue being addressed in the patch?that's good!

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Mervyn,Whilst I never noticed this issue it was addressed:o Loading a previously saved flight containing an FMC route entered using airways results in blank LEGS page - fixed

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Norman:Feel free to delete this thread that I started. Question was answered and I should have known that an announcement would be made. Sorry if I caused anything here.RegardsRickPS. Can you bribe that Jaguardo guy(Continental) to make some more videos?

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>PS. Can you bribe that Jaguardo guy(Continental) to make some>more videos?Jaguardo,Make more videos or I will ensure you get some of the "features" other customers have experienced }( (that should do it!)

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>George,>>The patched aurcraft is the one that the beta testers>currently have. As of last night there were no issues to>report. FDE is the flight dynamics - ie the way it flies. >>Whilst the excel spreadsheet is good, a much easier utility is>the load editor available with the aircraft. If you have not>already done so, please redownload the base installer.Hello Norman:I just purchased this aircraft. Dumb question, where is the load editor?Also, in the FMC, where can you change the CG in the cruise page?TIATerry

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Hey Terry, I am not Norman (you can tell by the accent ;) but I might be able to help. The Load editor and Fuel Planner are in your root FS9PSS T7 folder I believe. I am mid flight on CO091 from LLBG-KEWR so I can not check but it is definitely root FS9PSSSomething :)Someone can correct me if I am worng but I have never ever seen the bobbing or FDE problems others have. I think the reason is I never change my Cruise CG. It is default to 30 in the FMC and I leave it there. I take the CG value from the editor and put it in Takeoff CG, NOT Cruise CG. There are two CG values in the FMC, only ever change the TakeOff CG. Technically I would ####*U*ME that the Cruise CG is determined on the fly by the onboard systems anyway... This may be right or wrong but since day 1 it has prevented the wild bobbing.Others have tried it and reported it "cured" their bobbing as well....Hope that helps,-PaulLiquid CooledAMD 4000 San Diego2 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2Dual 7800 GTX 24 inch widescreen dual 19 inch LCDRaid-0psolksig.jpg

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Hi Terry.The Load Editor and the Fuel Planer are located in ...FS9PSSboeing 777 ! Ralf

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