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Hi all,after SP2, I get same problem here on other airports like LIRF with 4-6kts crosswind.I also have a very annoying problem with FMC, that completely lock FS9 (need to kill process to end) when choosing STARS/transition for some airport (EDDF - PSA25 arrival for example), never mind if in flight or on ground in the departure apt.There's some trick to avoid this lockup ?CiaoDome

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Hi I beleve it may have some thing to do with the fuel load , i did two flights with the B777 V2 patch .. one was a quick flight KSEA to CYVR .. i used a low fuel level and set the winds to 180 at 225 G 30.. it followed the Loc and glide ok .. the next flight i did was EGLL to EGNV this time the fuel load was a lot higher , on the approach i had the rocking of the wings effect , i set the fuel lefel to 20 % and it stoped , this was with the B777-300 ( just Flight Version) Rich

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>Hi >> I beleve it may have some thing to do with the fuel load , i>did two flights with the B777 V2 patch .. one was a quick>flight KSEA to CYVR .. i used a low fuel level and set the>winds to 180 at 225 G 30.. it followed the Loc and glide ok ..>the next flight i did was EGLL to EGNV this time the fuel load>was a lot higher , on the approach i had the rocking of the>wings effect , i set the fuel lefel to 20 % and it stoped ,>this was with the B777-300 ( just Flight Version)>> RichHi Rich,Thanks for replying.I have also the just flight version and I did another test flight, I still had the wing rocking effect only on ILS approach (not during flight).My fuel load is 13% and the wind was 240/10 kts for a landing on 25R at KLAX.I don't think it is a fuel load problem.VNAV descent was once again a nightmare,it began ok until I reset the MCP to my final approach altitude and all of a sudden, it began to dive to catch up the descent path once again I had to switch to FLCH and apply drag to stabilise.I am really desperate.This plane is almost one year old and I am still having problems to fly it realistically.After two long-waited SP,PSS is still giving me a plane with bugs that you never see elsewhere.It is truely unbelievable.I already reinstalled but no improvements.Worse, They don't even take the time to answer or to look for the problems.Now they are busy with the 757 and nothing else counts (wich by the way, I will never buy cause I don't want this nightmare to happen again).Yves

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same here: patch fixed a number of issues, has now better frame rates but flight behaviour is all wrong. VNAV, particular descent is far too steep, regardless of load and fuel. Landing at LFPG yesterday, almost empty, I let the 777-300ER descend on VNAV from 6000 to 3000 (13m to go!) and it reached a VS of 5700 (!!!) before leveling out. Utter nonsense of course.

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Is the PSS 777 supposed to be version 1.1 now? How do you verify you have the correct and latest version?Thanks for the help.Brian

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Guys, just to make sure, Just flight 777 is just flight. The patch here is mainly for the downloadable version over the PSS website.If ever you patched the just flight with our patch, I am not sure about the results...Norman will probably confirm this.Cyrille de LattreAsus P4P800/PIV 3 Ghz/2 Giga DDRAMATI X800 GT 256 MegWin XP SP2 / FS9.1 PSS Beta tester

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>Guys, just to make sure, Just flight 777 is just flight. The>patch here is mainly for the downloadable version over the PSS>website.>>If ever you patched the just flight with our patch, I am not>sure about the results...>>Norman will probably confirm this.>>Cyrille de Lattre>>Asus P4P800/PIV 3 Ghz/2 Giga DDRAM>ATI X800 GT 256 Meg>Win XP SP2 / FS9.1 >PSS Beta testerThe SP2 patch is published on justflight forums. I didn't install it from PSS website.So it is the good oneYves

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The JF777 patches are different to the PSS patches. The resulting effect and the files within the installers are the same however.The CD is version 1 and is patched through two patches - 1.1 and (possibly - I didnt check what they called it) 2.The download is already 1.1 with version 2 available from our website under members | patches.

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>The JF777 patches are different to the PSS patches. The>resulting effect and the files within the installers are the>same however.>>The CD is version 1 and is patched through two patches - 1.1>and (possibly - I didnt check what they called it) 2.>>The download is already 1.1 with version 2 available from our>website under members | patches.For example, the SP2 patch from justflight, patches only the PSS777.gau but the .air files have the same date as before (08/04/2006)Yves

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I have the d/l version and I am having the same problems, seems the aircraft is worse after the patch then it was before. Wish PSS could bring thier standards up to what other developers are at.Brian

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>same here: patch fixed a number of issues, has now better>frame rates but flight behaviour is all wrong. VNAV,>particular descent is far too steep, regardless of load and>fuel. Landing at LFPG yesterday, almost empty, I let the>777-300ER descend on VNAV from 6000 to 3000 (13m to go!) and>it reached a VS of 5700 (!!!) before leveling out. Utter>nonsense of course. >>I totally agree. There are many issues solved but as I have said it many times, unfortunately after the patch too ,VNAV descent is a nightmare, the plane in my opinion, flies wonderfully until the T/D, after this point , the descent, and the arrival with an incredible fast speed ...eliminates the great impression caused until then.Please have a look , if it

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Hi Dome,I think you may still have the 1.1 version. As Norman stated below, version 2 patch is not instlled by downloading the installer but under SUPPORT-PRODUCT FIXES. It is called the B777LR Pro 2004 version 2 and the patch file is called "777V2PATCH.EXE".John

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John, thanks but I got the right patch installed. And I still have the same issues as before, and you still need to close and open the cdu to get the pages to change. just still alot of problems with this aircraft. I know what PSS said the patch fixed but I am sure not seeing any changes with it.Brian

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The way i'm reading this, some of you probably don't have the correct aircraft or panel cfg file.Just uninstall everything and start all over again. Before you do this, check your aircraft.cfg and panel.cfg files and make note of their dates (assuming you did not mess with these before).I believe this is how things are...For JF777:* Download the JF777 patch at that site to make it 1.1 ver.* Download the 777 patch ver 2 (not from your files) zip file from the PSS site.* Install your CD JF777, install the patch from JF and install the patch from the PSS site.* Now check your panel.cfg and aircraft.cfg and make sure it has the current date. The latest panel.cfg is on that PSSB7704 folder and not the actual 777 panel folder. This turned out weird during the patch ver 2 installation.For PSS purchase:* Install the installer again (1.1)* Download the 777 patch ver 2 (not from your files) zip file from the PSS site and install. Now check your panel.cfg and aircraft.cfg and make sure it has the current date. The latest panel.cfg is on that PSSB7704 folder and not the actual 777 panel folder. This turned out weird during the patch ver 2 installation.Thanks,Kin M. (Klax)

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>The way i'm reading this, some of you probably don't have the>correct aircraft or panel cfg file.>Just uninstall everything and start all over again. Before you>do this, check your aircraft.cfg and panel.cfg files and make>note of their dates (assuming you did not mess with these>before).>I believe this is how things are...>For JF777:>* Download the JF777 patch at that site to make it 1.1 ver.>* Download the 777 patch ver 2 (not from your files) zip file>from >the PSS site.>* Install your CD JF777, install the patch from JF and install>the >patch from the PSS site.>* Now check your panel.cfg and aircraft.cfg and make sure it>has the >current date. The latest panel.cfg is on that PSSB7704 folder>and not the actual 777 panel folder. This turned out weird>during the patch ver 2 installation.>>For PSS purchase:>* Install the installer again (1.1)>* Download the 777 patch ver 2 (not from your files) zip file>from >the PSS site and install.> Now check your panel.cfg and aircraft.cfg and make sure it>has the >current date. The latest panel.cfg is on that PSSB7704 folder>and not the actual 777 panel folder. This turned out weird>during the patch ver 2 installation.>>Thanks,>Kin M. (Klax)>>>Hi Kin,This is exactly what I have done.I have the JF version and I patched with JF v 1.1 and after that with V2 from JF site. This is the correct way isn't it? In version 2, the .air file seems to remain the same as in version 1 is it correct PSS???thanks for your helpYves

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Hi,Here is an update.I made a test flight today with the B777-200LR instead of the B777-300ER.The VNAV issue IS STILL present but the wing rocking from left to right on approach is not present.As stated hereabove, the graphic glitch in the VC is not present also.Is there a way to copy the 777-200LR VC to the 777-300ER folder??Concerning the VNAV.Here is how it happens.When reaching ToD, the plane dives to catch up the path (that's normal) after a while, it comes to the center position but only for a few second.Immediately after, you see that you are 2000 ft above the descent path,plane respond with a steep dive and large increase in speed.If I do nothing I'll go down.The only way to counteract,engage FLCH and decrease speed.Funny to see such a behaviour after almost a year of development (two service packs taking 5 months each).I would like to see PSS taking these problems seriously.There is now dozens of answers and only one from Norman.Unfortunately it is useless.The PATCH I USED IS THE CORRECT ONE !!!!!!! so please do me a favor and stop replying about that PSS vs JustFlight thing.I am ready to give everything support would need to solve that problem just give me a contact name (flight plans,procedures used etc etc..) if at least you would consider the problem seriously.I don't want to wait another 5 months for a third service pack,this must be solved by a quick fix ASAP.RegardsYves

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Your description of VNAC behaviour is exactly what I see. I have a strong suspicion that there is a programming error, for VNAV seems to enter FLCH mode without any limit to VS. Furthermore, I noticed that when flying level, SPD, *below* optimum descent path, the plane also dives upon activating VNAV, before levelling out. That too is entirely unrealistic. For the time being, until PSS acknowledge the problem, I advise fellow aviators to descend using a fixed VS. Let's just say the maintenance sheet on this aircraft reads "VNAV inop - do not use for managed descent". For what it's worth that is the only bug so far in Patch 2 -- no more CTDs, CDU freeze-ups, and as I said -- frame rates are up.

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>Your description of VNAC behaviour is exactly what I see. I>have a strong suspicion that there is a programming error, for>VNAV seems to enter FLCH mode without any limit to VS. >>Furthermore, I noticed that when flying level, SPD, *below*>optimum descent path, the plane also dives upon activating>VNAV, before levelling out. That too is entirely unrealistic.>>>For the time being, until PSS acknowledge the problem, I>advise fellow aviators to descend using a fixed VS. Let's just>say the maintenance sheet on this aircraft reads "VNAV inop ->do not use for managed descent". >>For what it's worth that is the only bug so far in Patch 2 -->no more CTDs, CDU freeze-ups, and as I said -- frame rates are>up.I got a mail from PSS support (Steven) this morning telling me that this behaviour is perfectly normal. So I am afraid that we will have to stick with it.the wing rocking effect is also normalAs a conclusion, the 777 won't be fixed anymore.great news. I love PSS support. (sarcastic). PMDG and LDS are wrong,PSS is the only add-on having a realistic ILS tracking and only on the 777-300ER (joke of the day probably)RegardsYves

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yawni havent even downloaded the patch 2, having so many problems with it in the first instance and then take 12 months to release a patch which doesnt even fix the main problems, ive basically given up, still flying my trusted 737NG which is way over 2 years old.

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>With regards to the wing rocking .. try to keep with in your>VREF speed ( VREF+5 knots is best ) , i have no problems with>the B777-300 if i plan the fuel right and keep with in VREF>speed ( a real pilot mate of mine explained it to me ) when>using the autopilot on approach, It you fly below this speed>the ac may become unbalanced hence the possable wing rocking>effect .> So PSS are correct on this point , not sure about the VNAV ,>i tend to use the VSI up to about 2500 FPM .>> Rich Normally I fly the approach on AP at 2 or 3 knots above vref. I'll try at vref +5 and report. But what I don't understand is the fact that it doesn't happen with the 777-200LR even if I fly the approach at vref +2. There is a clear difference between those two planes.any way thanks for your helpregardsYves

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