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Hi,I have been flying the patched 777 a bit recently and it is much better but I keep getting no ILS readout on the ND. I tried tuning it from the FMC RADNAV page but it does nothing. Does anyone else have this problem?Is there any way of fixing this as I really like flying the 777 apart from this problem?Thanks for any help.Andy S

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Andy,When you call Dell support about a simple computer problem they often begin by asking several questions that really make a fella feel like a complete idiot... "is the device pluggged in?" kind of stuff.At any rate, I'm going to ask a few of those questions...1. When using the RAD/NAV page, are you inserting the ILS frequency into the correct line? This is the section that reads "Park".2. Are you adjusting the ND to ILS?3. Have you tried to reproduce this on several different approaches? Sometimes the ILS frequency differs in FS9 when compared to real world charts.Please feel free to ignore my questions if they are things you have already considered:)Regards, Jeff

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Another few questions that might frustrate you :)1. Is the ILS freq. dialed in on the radio in the pedestal?2. Are you intercepting the ILS at the correct height?3. Is it not working on all airports, or just one in particular?

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Just realized that #1 from above doesn't apply to PSS 777 -- whoops, got my jets confused.

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I have done all of the above mentioned things. The funny thing is it seems to work if I move the aircraft in map mode from the FS menue to just outside LOC capture and fly from there. It is only on a full flight that it does not work.Recently I have flown into both WSSS and VHHH and neitehr work so I dont think it is just one airport that does it.Andy S

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Andy,If you are still on line, I will set my 777 up for an ILS on WSSS and we can go through it together. Back in 5 minutes!John R

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Just tried a round trip flight, i.e. WSSS to WSSS, and it worked OK, the glide slope altitude is around 2600 feet. Fix point samko was around 3600 feet. Are you using the LOC and APP switches?Ron

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Same here. Just flown two ILS patterns with rollers at WSSS and then a short route ending in an auto-ILS into WSSS. All worked as advertised!Even without the loc/app selections, the raw ILS data should appear on the ND - assuming ILS ia selected? Could the navdata be corrupt? But not if he can slew into the ILS signal - very odd.John R

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Just flew into WSSS again from Bali and same probelm. I had uninstalled samsoft and was using the default but I still got on ILS and was vectored wrongly again. Very strange. Tomorrow I will try a different airport and see what happens there.Andy S

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Andy,"I had uninstalled samsoft and was using the default "1. What's samsoft? I assume default means PSS 777?"I still got on ILS and was vectored wrongly again"2. Vectored by who?3. Do you see the correct indications on the ND when ILS is selected and you are within range - ie the course deviation bar and the glidepath deviation indicator {these only appear when the aircraft's ILS receiver locks onto the aifields ILS transmitters}.John Rooum

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Sorry should have been more clear. Samsoft=samsoft very singapore scenery. "I still got on ILS and was vectored wrongly again" By Radar Contact ATC program. Default means default FS9 scenery.I get the series of dots on the side and bottom of the ND but never see the pink diamonds. Even when I am 5-10nm final I still get on pink diamonds.Andy S

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Andy,I also use this scenery, and I have never been able to complete an auto land in ANY aircraft as the ILS will guide you to the middle of the airport instead of the runway. I tested this again last night with a popular 747 for landing runway 20R and had the same result... lined up perfectly for a collision with the tower.

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I get the feeling that I should just stay away from SIN until someone comes up with a new scenery as I seem to have problems on all my flights into there, which is a pitty.Andy S

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Hi again. Just tried RCTP-VHHH and same ILS problem as before. Everything set up correctly but no pink diamonds to guide me. :( I've got my 777 set up really nicely so this problem is real shame. I dont know what to try next to fix it.Andy S

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Andy,"no pink diamonds to guide me"Do you mean that:a. the diamond - vertical deviation indicator - was not showing atallorb. the diamond was there in outline but not filled in.Also what is your course deviation bar doing at the time - was it showing, was it in outline or filled in?Finally, do you get good ILS approaches when using default aircraft at the same airports?This should help in isolating the problemsJohn Rooum

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I'm sorry that this is a lot to read but I think it will help to home in on the problem if read.I just tried an approach into Paris using the map mode to move the aircraft out about 50nm and flying in as I would normally and everything worked fine, LOC and G/S all fine. As I stated earlier in this thread it is when doing a full flight that it doesn't work which is very strange. But I did think of one thing I did differently this time as opposed to a full flight and that is that I didn't start from a cold and dark cockpit as I have done every time the ILS hasn't worked. I'm begining to think that this is the cause of the problem. Another thing I noticed is that when starting from a C&D cockpit I am unable to tune the comm radios on the pedistal manually but in the flight I just tried I was able to tune them manulally. Just to check that I am doing things right for a C&D, I start by loading the default cessna and leaving the engines and master switches OFF, then loading the PSS 777 when I have set on "cold and dark" in the setup panel. On the flight I just did I loaded the cessna but turned the master switch and the engine ON so that the enignes would be running to same me time in trying it out, this is the one where the ILS worked.I hope this helps to home in on what the problem is. As I got it to work propperly I can rule out that I am doing anything wrong in the actual setup of the NAVRAD and ILS operation in general. I'm now pertty sure that it has to do with the cold and dark start up as opposed to the engines running and also maybe something to do with the loading of the default cessna.Sorry that it was a lot of writing and I really do appreciate all your help in trying to get this problem fixed and me back in the air in my 777. :-) Andy S

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Andy,When loading the default flight make sure that the avionics master switch is on.

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Andy,There is no need to change the default FS9 flight in order to start the 777 C&D - indeed you must always start FS9 with a default aircraft in the default flight mode {ie switches on, engines on} at the start up page.This is the simplest way of doing things C&D - and has always worked for me:1. Load the 777 as normal and set C&D on the set up panel.2. Exit FS93. Start FS9 to the "Create a Flight" page {here I always have the default 172}4. Select your 777, start location, time and season etc etc.5. Select "fly now" and away you go.If you have problems with the above, try a clean start as follows:1. Rebuild your FS9.cfg - this will ensure that you have the correct default flight.2. The first time you try the 777, load the default flight right up to sitting on the runway at KSEA - then select the 777.Good LuckJohn R

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"you must always start FS9 with a default aircraft in the default flight mode {ie switches on, engines on} at the start up page." When I load the default everything is OFF, engines, master switches, avionics etc. Is this not how it should be then, have I changed something by mistake?Also do you mean that you dont actually have to START the default aircraft then switch to the 777, you just have to have it set to the default?"1. Load the 777 as normal and set C&D on the set up panel.2. Exit FS93. Start FS9 to the "Create a Flight" page {here I always have the default 172}4. Select your 777, start location, time and season etc etc.5. Select "fly now" and away you go."Do you have to do this every time or just the first time? For no 2 do you have to exit FS9 completely to the desktop?Thanks Andy S

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Andy,I am not a gauge programmer but this is how I believe the PSS concept works.1. ""##"you must always start FS9 with a default aircraft in the default flight mode {ie switches on, engines on} at the start up page." When I load the default everything is OFF, engines, master switches, avionics etc. Is this not how it should be then, have I changed something by mistake?##""Yes - you must load FS9 with the original default flight - that is engines and switches on. The 777 gauge will take care of shutting everything down when you load the aircraft.2. ""##Also do you mean that you dont actually have to START the default aircraft then switch to the 777, you just have to have it set to the default?##""Yes - you just have to let FS9 load to the "Create a Flight" menu with the default aircraft set. I believe that the 777 gauge is expecting to see this and uses the default loading criteria as the basis for its execution.3. ""##Do you have to do this every time or just the first time? For no 2 do you have to exit FS9 completely to the desktop?##""No2 - yes, exit FS9 to the desktop. However, once you have changed the 777 to C&D, it will then always load C&D {assuming you have initiated FS9 to the default flight}. If you wish to begin engines on etc, you must reset the start position in the set up panel as above.I am sure that there will be one of the experts reading this who can come on and explain for you in more detail the whys and wherefores of gauge programming?John

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I just tried correcting my default flight and setting up the cold and dark in the 777 setup panel,then restarting FS9 and loading the 777 as Johm said. I think this might have cracked it. Now the comm radio tune from the pedistal and the lights work which they only did before if not starting from a C&D and this is the when the ILS also worked so it looks very promising. I have yet to try more than just a quick preflight setup , I will try a fligth later tonight or tomorrow but I have a feeling it will work this time. :-jumpy :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) I will report back tomorrow how it went.RegardsAndy S

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Just did a full flight, C&D to shutdown and it was successful, ILS worked! I did have an issue with the ILS stability,it kept pulling the aircraft to the ground but hand flying sorted it. So that clears up this issue and it's case closed. I just wan to thank everyone for their help.Andy S

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RE Samsoft Singapore: there's an AFCAD update on their website that solves the problem of ILS landings. I have never had any issues with their scenery.

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