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Flight1 Meridian, would buy it if it weren't for the wr

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Well, i guess the topic says it all.I did buy the DF737 when the wrapper wasn't invented yet, and this is the 2nd time i'm passing on a flight one product. I would have bought the 421C but didn't for exactly the same reason. The wrapper.It's not that i'm for piracy, or against the use of keys and such. But the wrapper is taking things way too far in my opinion.Not sure if the people from Flight 1 read this forum and i have been thinking about sending them an email about this subject but they should really consider the fact that the wrapper might actually result in less people buying their products.

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I actually posted something like what you have written here on the Flight1 forum, the difference is that my post was deleted just like that.... Nothing amazes me anymore.If a company wants to protect itself it should not be on the expense of the customers. I am offcourse also against steeling software like some people do, but that should be the company responsibility to deal with without me having to suffer from it......Mike

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What's wrong with the wrapper as opposed to entering your personal data on a webpage and receiving a key or code via mail?- Oyvind

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I'm missing something here. What is so intrusive about the wrapper? It didn't ask me for any information that they didn't ask for when I purchased the C421. It is just a bit more involved if you lose your keys.

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I show my ignorance. What is a wrapper? How does it work? Why is it a problem? Just want to know before I experience it.John SouleAustin, Texas

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michaelcedergren:If you visit the Flight1 site, and look at their support pages, you will find a solution. They are aware that not everyone has Internet access where their customers will install/use their product. Additionally, in regards to their product activation schema, it has performed flawlessly for me on every occasion (4 products to date) with numerous operating systems, computers, and Internet providers. I much prefer the way it interfaces with you as opposed to some other vendors (MS included) and as long as you back up your "key" file (as clearly stated numerous times in all their instructions) you will not have any difficulties in the future.See ya,Kathy.Born to Fly.My Dad, Me, My Son.____________________http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3e4a693c44a992b6.jpg

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767maniac,The wrapper is for your protection as well as ours. You will not believe the volume of chargebacks these days from people using stolen credit cards. The wrapper system is in place to protect you as a consumer from illegal use of your credit card and us as a publisher for the integrity of our business. Thousands of people have had successful installs with our wrapper system with our products. :-smile12If you do not want to proceed with the wrapper system, you can always purchase these products on CD. The 421 is available in CD format and the Meridian should be available in CD format soon. I would hate for you to miss out on these great products.:-beerchugJeff SmithFlight One SoftwareSales Manager

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Just thought you'd like another counterpoint... I buy Flight1 products precisely because of the wrapper (and of course the quality ;-)). I think it's the most clever and certainly the most direct way of purchasing freeware. What burns me is paying for a product, downloading it, and then waiting a day or so as the seller gets around to emailing me a key. In my opinion, the wrapper avoids that trap admirably. But then, the only computer I install your products on has a full-time connection to the internet.

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Jeff,Thanks for the reply, hadn't looked at it from the credit card fraud point of view. That is a good point.Call me stupid but i didn't realize they were still available on CD and thought the wrapper system was the only option.Cheers and keep on making excellent stuff.

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Hello, I have emailed Flight One and also posted a topic on their product support forum titled "Other Purchasing Options?", but have heard nothing back. Will I need to wait for the Meridian on CD, or is it possible to use "special tools" with the download version to enable it to work on non-internet machines? Thanks, Matt

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Personally, I think the FLight1 download system is the best of the bunch at the moment. Instant gratification, fast downloads, and very easy to update files. There is no good reason to lose keys. You can back them up on a floppy or CD. I didn't, of course, but when my HD died, FLight1 sent me new keys within a day or so (more than fair IMO!). I detest e-tailers who send you a password several days after you buy their product or make you jump through so many hoops it hardly seems worth it. I would like to see more companies use the FLight1 system.David

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Matt,Contact Customer Service on how you can get it to a non-internet connected machine on our website. We can give you instructions on how to install this on a non-internet connected machine.:-beerchugJeff SmithFlight One Software

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Thanks for your comments guys! We are always trying to provide top rate products to our customers and enjoy the feedback and suggestions.:-beerchugJeff SmithFlight One SoftwareSales Manager

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Unless they have changed the wrapper since I bought the 421, it's easy to download from a computer with a fast connection and bring it home, as long as you have a CDR(W), zip drive, or something big enough to carry it. Just download it, and register. After the registration it places the key and install files usually in C:Flight1. Take the files in C:Flight1 home and install. I backed mine up to a CDRW for safe keeping.I've purchased three aircraft from Flight1, I think their system is the easiest to use.

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Here is a transcript (emails / nick names masked) from a "pirated files exchange" forum.Hope this helps!==================================================================On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:24 -0800, xxxx wrote:>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:40:08 GMT, "zzzzzz" wrote:>>>Piper Meridian released>>Please, get it ASAP!!!>>BBB>>You might want to read this .....>http://www.flight1.com/view.asp?page=newwrapper>>Just what I predicted to those in the distro pipe what would happen.>>"Although it may not always be used for every title, some titles may use this feature. You>will be notified of this by a message screen being presented when you>open the wrapped application. It will state that this software will>work only on Internet enabled PC's Since the software itself can't be>moved, it will need to be reinstalled using the Reinstall button, and>this requires Internet validation of the key file.">>Now machine binding is not hard to defeat ..just look at the CS727....>and lic files can be defeated rather easily also but the other>measures are a direct pointer to the original purchasers. Lago has>tried to implement tighter security but too no avail yet and FSD is>about to go another step also.>>Running the Meridian wrapper tells us that it is going to install>directly into your FS2002 folder and the files can not be moved to>another machine otherwise they will have to be re-validated via the>wrapper to run so you best go out and buy this one yourself as anyone>foolish enough to share their's will most likely catch it from>Flight1. It was only a matter of time till this happened as the market>share for FS addons is small compared to the PC application sector.>Check-out any FS product forum and you'll have noticed a increased>crying from the dev's about piracy. Personally if DF, Flight1, FSD or>RealityXP made it I bought it ...these ppl actually deserve our money>and if we don't support them at some point the whole scene will go>down the toilet.>>Look at it this way if you've gotten $100.00's of addons for free>would it hurt to actually buy one or two?>>My $.02>>Byte>>NOTE: I don't work for or represent any of the above ppl I just know a>lot more about programming and protection schemes than most ppl.No need to panic quite yet, some people still know a little aboutprotection schemes as well. I believe it's still fairly lame :)I agree with the sentiment 'good quality software is worth buying'.But unfortunately, as is more often the case these days, there seemsto be problems with new releases. I feel this still warrants the 'trybefore you buy' philosophy.If anyone else wants to be masochistic, I could try to u/l it, but Ihave an extremely slow dialup connection ( 50MB could take days).

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I love the wraper. As it makes fast service. And you just keep the installs after they are extracted..Id much ratehr get it this way then the way captain sim distributes their planes.

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