#10 AVSIM vs FlightSim RTW Race Thread #10. Summary.

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Perfect. Thanks again Matt.Elrond

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THIS RACE WILL NOT BEGIN UNTIL FLIGHTSIM.COM LANDS IN BOSTON. UPON LANDING THE RACE THREAD WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THIS FORUM. THIS IS WHAT THE RACE WILL LOOK LIKE.The next race will be a city to city race. There is no time limit, but why should there be if you are trying to get each leg done as QUICKLY as possible. The rules will be:1. There is a 3 strike rule. If you break a rule you get a strike. If you get 3 strikes, you are grounded for the rest of the race.2. Aircraft used shall not exceed MACH 0.90 as published in the manufacturers specifications. You must fly in REAL TIME! If it is found that you exceeded MACH 0.90 or used accelerated simulation, you shall recieve a STRIKE!3. The baton must travel to each city in numerical order as published below. If you travel to the incorrect city, not only will your TEAM be upset with you, you will recieve a STRIKE!4. In order to "take" the baton, a pilot must make a post stating in the SUBJECT area, "I HAVE THE BATON - ICAO." ICAO being the airport the pilot is departing from. In the message area of the post, the pilot must say what type of aircraft he or she is flying. Check #8 for the reason why. You may post other information if you wish to. If you fail to comply with Rule #4 you will not have control of the baton until you do comply.5. After landing, the baton holder must make a post stating in the SUBJECT area "LANDED @ ICAO." ICAO being the city the baton holder landed. In the MESSAGE area of the post, the pilot must display one screenshot of the flight. The baton is up for grabs after the baton holder posts he has landed with the screenshot. If you fail to do the above, you will be awarded a strike.6. Anyone who says that they will be ready at the next city DOES NOT have preference over others for the next leg of the race. If you want the baton, GRAB IT! -You can not recieve a strike for saying that you will be ready at the next city. -You WILL RECIEVE A STRIKE if you say something like, "I WILL Take the Baton at Frankfurt.7. The only persons allowed to post any screenshots in the race threads is the baton holder. The Baton holder may only post one screenshot, which must be in his, "LANDED @ ICAO" post. -Anyone may make a reply with a URL directing to the ScreenShots forum where you can post as many screenshots as you like provided you follow AVSIMs screenshot policy. If you ignore Rule #7, you shall receive a strike.8. At an umpires discretion, if a pilot is taking an excessive amount of time to fly a leg of the race, that pilot shall be awarded a strike, and the baton will be up for grabs where the pilot took off from.9. If the other team beats you to Christchurch, YOU LOSE!145 Cities across the globe, and here they are: 1. NZCH Christchurch Intl, Christchurch New Zealand 2. NZTM Taumarunui, Taumarunui, New Zealand 3. YSNF Norfolk Island Intl, Norfolk I, Austrailia 4. YLHI Lord Howe Island, Lord Howe Island, Austrailia 5. YSCH Coffs Harbour, Coffs Harbour, Austrailia 6. YROM Roma, Roma, Austrailia 7. YPDN Darwin Intl, Darwin, Austrailia 8. YPPH Perth Intl, Perth, Austrailia 9. YPCC Cocos I Intl, Perth, Austrailia 10. FJDG Diego Garcia Navy, Diego Garcia, British Indian Ocean Terrirtory 11. FMMT Tomasina, Tomasina, Madagascar 12. FMMI Ivato, Antananarivo, Madagascar 13. FMCH Prince Said Ibrahim, Moroni, Comoros 14. HKSB Buffalo Spring, Samburu South, Kenya 15. FZJA Isiro-Ville, Isiro-Ville, Congo 16. FEFY Yalinga, Yalinga, Central African Republic 17. FTTE Biltine, Biltine, Chad 18. HEOW Shark El Oweinat Intl, Shark El Oweinat, Egypt 19. HEXX Wadi Abu Rish, Wadi Abus Rish, Egypt 20. LLBG Ben Gurion, Tel Aviv, Israel 21. LCLK Larnaca Intl, Larnaca, Cyprus 22. LTAG Incirlik AB, Adana, Turkey 23. Z11J Marneuli, Tbilisi, Georgia 24. URKM Maykop, Makykop, Russia 25. UUOB Belgorod, Belgorod, Russia 26. EYPN Pajuostis, Pajuostis, Lithuania 27. EPKT Pyrzowice, Katowice, Poland 28. LOWW Schwechat, Vienna, Austria 29. EDDP Leipzig-Halle, Leipzig-Halle, Germany 30. EDDF Frankfurt/Main, Frankfurt, Germany 31. LICZ Sigonella Mil, Catania, Italy 32. LFLD Bourges, Bourges, France 33. LELC San Javier AB, Murcia, Spain 34. GMMN Mohamed V, Casablanca, Morocco 35. LPST Sintra AB, Sintra, Portugal 36. LFRC Maupertus, Cherbourg, France 37. EHAM Schiphol, Amsterdam, The Netherlands 38. EGLK Blackbushe, Blackbushe, UK 39. EGQS Lossiemouth AB, Lossiemouth, UK 40. ENGM Gardermoen, oslo, Norway 41. ESSA Arlanda, Stockholm, Sweden 42. ENFG Leirin, Fagernes, Norway 43. ENSD Anda, Sandane, Norway 44. ENRA Rossvoll, Mo I Rana, Norway 45. ENTC Tromso, Tromso, Norway 46. ENSB Longyear, Svalbard, Norway 47. CYLT Alert, Alert, Canada 48. CYEU Eureka, Eureka, Canada 49. CYGZ Grise Fjord, Grise Fjord, Canada 50. CJX7 Artic Bay, Artic Bay, Canada 51. CYUX Hall Beach, Hall Beach, Canada 52. CYTE Cape Dorset, Cape Dorset, Canada 53. CYLC Kimmirut, Kimmirut, Canada 54. CYVP Kuujjuaq, Kuujjuaq, Canada 55. CYYR Goose Bay, Goose Bay, Canada 56. CYQX Gander Intl, Gander, Canada 57. CYHZ Halifax Intl, Halifax, Canada 58. KNHZ Brunswick NAS, Brunswick, USA 59. KPVC Provincetown Mun, Provincetown, USA 60. KACK Nantucket Meml, Nantucket, USA 61. KSCH Schenectady Co, Schenectady, USA 62. KPIT Pittsburgh Intl, Pittsburgh, USA 63. KNHK Patuxent River NAS, Patuxent River, USA 64. KNTU Oceana NAS, Oceana, USA 65. KFFA First Flight, Kill Devil Hills, USA 66. KNKT Cherry Point MCAS, Cherry Point, USA 67. KDAB Daytona Beach Intl, Daytona Beach, USA 68. MYNN Nassau Intl, Nassau, The Bahamas 69. MDPP Gregorio Luperon Intl, Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic 70. TJPS Mercedita, Ponce, USA 71. TAPA VC Bird Intl, St. Johns, Antigua & Barbuda 72. TBPB Grantley Adams Intl, Barbados, Barbados 73. SOCA Rochambeau, Cayenne, French Guiana 74. SBFN Fernando De Noronha, Fernando De Noronha, Brasil 75. SBGR Guarulhos Intl, Sao Palo, Brasil 76. SADM Moron, Moron, Argentina 77. EGYP Mount Pleasant, Mount Pleasant, Falkland Island UK 78. SAXX El Calafate, El Calafate, Aregentina 79. SCBA Balmaceda, Balmaceda, Chile 80. SCPH Puyuhuapi, Puyuhuapi, Chile 81. SCTE El Tepual Intl, Puerto Montl, Chile 82. SCES El Salvador Bajo, El Salvador, Chile 83. SPTN Col Carlos Ciriani Santa Rosa, Tacna, Peru 84. SPQU Rodriguez Ballon, Arequipa, Peru 85. SPZA Maria Reiche Neuman, Nasca, Peru 86. SPSO Pisco, Pisco, Peru 87. SLTR Jorge Henrich, Trinidad, Bolivia 88. SPQT Col Francisco Secada Vignetta, Iquitos, Peru 89. SKEJ Yariguies, Barrancabermeja, Colombia 90. MPTO Tocumen Intl, Panama City, Panama 91. MROC Juan Santamaria Intl, San Jose, Costa Rica 92. MMOX Xoxocotlan Intl, Oaxaca, Mexico 93. MMPR Lic Gustavo Diaz Ordaz Intl, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 94. MMLO De Guanajuato Intl, Leon, Mexico 95. MMTC Torreon Intl, Torreon, Mexico 96. KBIF Biggs AAF, Ft. Bliss, USA 97. KPVU Provo Mun, Provo, USA 98. KEKO Elko Regl, Elko, USA 99. 3S4 Illinois Valley, Cave Junction, USA100. KNUQ Moffett Federal AFLD, Mountain View, USA101. PHOG Kahului, Kahului, USA102. PHBK Barking Sands PMRF, Kauai, USA103. PJON Johnston Atoll, Johnston I, USA104. PMDY Henderson FIeld, Midway Atoll/Sand I, USA105. PACD Cold Bay, Cold Bay, USA106. PADQ Kodiak, Kodiak, USA107. PAOM Nome, Nome, USA108. UHMA Ugolny, Anadyr, Russia109. PASY Eareckson AS, Shemya, USA110. UHPP Yelizovo, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsk, USA111. RJCB Obihiro, Obihiro, Japan112. RJFK Kagoshima, Kagoshima, Japan113. RJNO Oki, Oki, Japan114. UHWW Knevichi, Vladivostok115. ZBAA Beijing Capital, Beijing, China116. ZHHH Tianhe, Wuhan, China117. RODN Kadena AB, Okinawa I, Japan/USA118. RCQC Makung AB, Makung, Taiwan119. RPUY Cauayan, Cauayan, Phillipines120. RPML Cagayan De Oro, Cagayan De Oro, Phillipines121. ANG Angaur Airstrip, Angaur, Micronesia122. WAJJ Sentani, Jayapura, Indonesia123. AYNZ Nadzab, Lae Png, Papua New Guinea124. AGGM Munda, Solomon Islands125. ANAU Nauru Intl, Nauru I, Nauru126. PKWA Bucholtz AAF, Kwanjalein Atoll, Marshall Islands127. PKMJ Marshall Is Intl, Majuro Atoll, Marshall Islands128. Q51 Kili, Kili Island, Marshall Islands129. NGTU Butaritari, Butaritari, Kiribati130. NGTE Tabiteuea North, Tabiteuea, Kiribati131. NGFU Funafuti Intl, Funafuti, Tuvalu132. NFNR Rotuma, Rotuma, Fiji Islands133. NLWF Point Vele, Futuna I, Wallis & Futuna134. NLWW Hihifo, Uvea I, Wallis & Futuna135. NSTU Pago Pago Intl, Pago Pago, USA136. NFNA Nausori Intl, Nausori, Fiji Islands137. NFTV Vava'u, Vava'u, Tonga139. NIUE Niue Intl, Niue Island, Niue140. NCRG Rarotonga Intl, Rarotonga I, Cook Islands141. NTAA Faaa, Tahiti I, French Polynesia142. NTTO Hao, Hao I, French Polynesia143. NTAT Tubuai, Tubai Austral Is, French Polynesia144. NZCI CHatham Is/Tuuta, Chatham Is, New Zealand145. NZCH Christchurch Intl, New Zealand.IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, QUESTIONS, OR COMMENTS,POST THEM HERE.IF YOU WISH TO BE AN UMPIREPaul Meyer - Morris, C09http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/Us...7b45404593a.jpg

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Only country with 2 capitals I know is the Republic of South Africa which switches back and forth every 6 months. The Netherlands have a single capital, which is different from the seat of government. The same situation applied to Germany for a long time, ever since Bonn was taken as the seat of government after WW2.

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Paul,Really excellent idea. Worth lots of our deep consideration.Mike

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I'll look it over over the next few days Paul. Might have a few changes to suggest to make the flights more "interesting" :-wink2Will start plotting things in my planner to check out the route idea.It should run for a long time of course, not a quick dash as we were doing over the last week but more a constant program to get people involved in working together as a community.

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If each leg takes 2.5 hours to fly average, then it will last about two weeks. As soon as team Flightsim.com Lands in Boston, This new race will commence thirty minutes after their arrival.Any suggestions, etc, should be posted here before their arrival, which is estimated 7pm Eastern.Paul Meyer - Morris, C09http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/Us...7b45404593a.jpg

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Paul,Here are some suggestions for perfecting the Cities of the World. We've all just gone through the RTW Race, so the present may be a good time to discuss how to make things more interesting, different, or simply function better.Mostly, though, your idea is a brilliant one!A. CITY-TO-CITY. Really nice idea. By setting out a predetermined flight path, you eliminate some of the oddities that we just produced during the RTW Race. You allow anyone to pick up the flight at any time and know exactly what to do

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hmm, that seemed a bit of a one way discussion.ive followed this race and noticed the fun you`ve all had.giving the fsim crew 30 mins for tea n biccys is a bit harsh, they must be knackered.dont lose the "fun" bit please?jim.

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my ideas:1) every country should be visited (doesn't matter which airport in that country, or we may say the capital city must be visited at least).2) only piston aircraft, no more than 2 engines. That eliminates the dedicated racers that won us the current competition, and should even the playing field (as far more people will have a decent piston twin).There are piston twins that can cross the oceans, so that's no problem (might take carefull planning to find a route that's possible for your aircraft of course).3) strict 2 hour rule applies. Or we could limit the triplength for each leg to say 450nm unless no airfield is within that range in the general direction of travel (so within say 45 degrees of your intended heading). In that case the nearest airport within a 45 degree arc should be taken and that decision posted.4) all flights to be flown in real weather and real time. If this means you have to take a longer route or wait out weather conditions at your destination then so be it (or maybe someone else is more foolish and will try it).I fully agree with the availability clause. No custom modifications unless those are publicly available to both teams and are not intended to change the characteristics of the aircraft outside the design perimeters of the real thing.Timing, let's indeed wait and plan this thing properly.Make an announcement of the general plan sometime this week and start a week after that.That should give both sides the possibility to plan their routes (if we go with my idea of just telling to visit all capital cities).Starting point?Somewhere where players can move to almost anywhere to make it more interesting seems the way to go.A cluster of countries close together would be ideal for that, making the Middle East the most suitable location.I propose either Cairo or Ankara (to avoid political debate when choosing the dead center of the region which is Jeruzalem or Beirut).List of countries (correct me please, especially in Africa where countries appear and disappear like smoke) to follow later.

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Some other points,- Going with the waiting out weather conditions, do we want to force pilots to really do flight planning, fly instrument approaches if the field is below VFR and if the field is below minimums, divert to the alternate? And it would eliminate flying to the field only to discover that it has no field lighting...This would force us to learn about real-world flying...- Some countries allow GPS direct, other countries you have to follow the established ATS structure and airways. Do we want to allow GPS direct on every leg?- If we allow escort flights, can the escort become the leader of the primary guy crashes/runs out of fuel, etc.Or if you do crash you can't fly in the race until it's over...- As far as list of countries, the airport database in FS2002 is fixed, we can use that list for our list of countries.- How to deal with computer lock-ups, define policy on that, do we want people to have the auto-save module so it saves flights at a fized interval or just have people save their flight periodically?Cheers :)Woodreau / KMVLOf course just my inputs,

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They're in Charleston SC. Just departed and they're on their way to LaGuardia.Cheers :)Woodreau / KMVL

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I like the database of countries in FS2002.With a virtual phone call we can be granted landing clearance in North Korea, and Iraq.I have the database of countries in FS2002, and here it is:1. Afghanistan2. Albania3. Algeria4. Angola5. Anguilla6. Antigua and Barbuda7. Argentina8. Armenia9. Aruba10. Ascension Island11. Australia12. Austria13. Azerbaijan14. Bahamas, The15. Bahrain16. Bangladesh17. Barbados18. Belarus19. Belgium20. Belize21. Benin22. Bermuda23. Bhutan24. Bolivia25. Bosnia and Herzegovina26. Botswana27. Brazil28. British Indian Ocean Territory29. Brunei30. Bulgaria31. Burkina Faso32. Burundi33. Cambodia34. Cameroon35. Canada36. Canary Islands37. Cape Verde38. Cayman Islands39. Central African Republic40. Chad41. Chile42. China43. Colombia44. Comoros45. Congo46. Congo (DRC)47. Cook Islands48. Costa Rica49. Cote dIvoire50. Croatia51. Cuba52. Cyprus53. Czech Republic54. Dakhla and Laayoune55. Denmark56. Djibouti57. Dominica58. Dominican Republic59. Ecuador60. Egypt61. El Salvador62. Equatorial Guinea63. Eritrea64. Estonia65. Ethiopia66. Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas)67. Faroe Islands68. Fiji Islands69. Finland70. France71. French Guiana72. French Polynesia73. Gabon74. Gambia, The75. Gaza76. Georgia77. Germany78. Ghana79. Greece80. Greenland81. Grenada82. Guadeloupe83. Guatemala84. Guinea85. Guinea-Bissau86. Guyana87. Haiti88. Honduras89. Hong Kong SAR90. Hungary91. Iceland92. India93. Indonesia94. Iran95. Iraq96. Ireland97. Israel98. Italy99. Jamaica100. Japan101. Jordan102. Kazakhstan103. Kenya104. Kiribati105. Korea106. Kuwait107. Kyrgyzstan108. Laos109. Latvia110. Lebanon111. Lesotho112. Liberia113. Libya114. Lithuania115. Luxembourg116. Macau SAR117. Macedonia, Former Yugoslav Republic of118. Madagascar119. Malawi120. Malaysia121. Maldives122. Mali123. Malta124. Marshall Islands125. Martinique126. Mauritania127. Mauritius128. Mayotte129. Mexico130. Micronesia131. Moldova132. Mongolia133. Morocco134. Mozambique135. Myanmar136. Namibia137. Nauru138. Nepal139. Netherlands Antilles140. Netherlands, The141. New Caledonia142. New Zealand143. Nicaragua144. Niger145. Nigeria146. Niue147. North Korea148. Norway149. Oman150. Pakistan151. Panama152. Papua New Guinea153. Paraguay154. Peru155. Philippines156. Poland157. Portugal158. Qatar159. Reunion160. Romania161. Russia162. Rwanda163. Samoa164. Sao Tome and Principe165. Saudi Arabia166. Senegal167. Seychelles168. Sierra Leone169. Singapore170. Slovakia171. Slovenia172. Solomon Islands173. Somalia174. South Africa175. Spain176. Sri Lanka177. St. Kitts and Nevis178. St. Lucia179. St. Pierre and Miquelon180. St. Vincent and the Grenadines181. Sudan182. Suriname183. Swaziland184. Sweden185. Switzerland186. Syria187. Taiwan188. Tajikistan189. Tanzania190. Thailand191. Togo192. Tonga193. Trinidad and Tobago194. Tunisia195. Turkey196. Turkmenistan197. Turks and Caicos Islands198. Tuvalu199. Uganda200. Ukraine201. United Arab Emirates202. United Kingdom203. United States - 50 States204. United States - Caribbean205. United States - Oceania206. Uruguay207. Uzbekistan208. Vanuatu209. Venezuela210. Viet Nam211. Virgin Islands, British212. Wallis and Futuna213. Yemen214. Yugoslavia215. Zambia216. ZimbabweThe question standing with aircraft, I think anything from single engine piston prop to multi engine turbo prop. No jets :)It'll be fun if we have to stop in every country, better than the world cities.Also, this race could be for the Winter 2003 RTW Challenge: AVSIM vs Flightsim.comWho knows we might even get some Simviation, and simflight and other users to join in?Paul Meyer - Morris, C09http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/Us...7b45404593a.jpg

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OK, I come to 163 countries so far.Might have missed a few but I skipped all the territories (like US Virgin Islands, Netherlands Antilles, etc.).Put all the capitals in as well (except for some former Soviet Republics, my atlas is from abour 1980...http://hornet.demon.nl/worldtour/countries.htmPlease comment and correct if needed via private message. Spelling is how I think it is in English but my Atlas and education being Dutch and English not the local language in many places...Also, given the age of my data it is possible that some of these countries (especially in Africa) no longer exist or have changed name or capital.

[Guest Marc Sykes]

Yes, although I am more of an AVSIM devotee, to tell the truth, Team FlightSim was short on volunteers. So I am flying the baton to KLGA. About 1/4 of the way there now, ETE 90 minutes. Anyone who wants to join me is free to do so ... multiplayer address 24.161.90.220.By the way, I like these new ideas, but I agree about the no jets thing (even though I love jets). Or maybe allow smaller jets, but we've got to find a better way to do it than a speed restriction. Too dependent on winds, altitude, etc., really.Marc

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Unless we delay the flight to tomorrow night (GMT) I won't be there.Starting a new job (yippee, at last some real work again (and a real income)) tomorrow so I'm going to bed.