spoilers won't retract

[torque2 24]

I am having a problem with the spoilers. They will extent but not retract, either in the air or on the ground. When I first load the aircraft (from a running C172 startup) I note the spoiler lever is already deployed about half way, but the spoilers are down so I figured this was OK. There is no way using the mouse to get the lever to move further up to the 'Down' position. Is this normal? I am using the default Terry Gaff model.If I use speedbrakes at all during descent I get the annoying alarm as soon as I start to extend flaps, due to the fact my speedbrakes are not fully retracted. This lasts right to touchdown.The only way I have found I can retract the spoilers is by staying with gauge file 1.20 and pressing "/" on the keyboard, with the spoiler lever as far up as possible. Then the spoilers will retract. This does not work with versions 1.21 or later because the programming for the "/" key has been changed. The spoilers stay fully extended.I have tried everything - mapping the spoiler axis to "Prop Pitch 1", to a joystick button, disabling the joystick altogether and just using the mouse, just using "/", nothing works.I have searched through this forum without success. I would love to find a solution to this because I otherwise really like this plane!David

[Bob Scott 7,720]

Sure sounds like you have an axis assigned to the spoiler axis with some non-zero value on it. It's possible, for example, to do the correct axis assignment in FSUIPC while still having the same axis assigned to spoilers in FS itself. Recommend you look in the control assignments in FS and ensure that nothing is assigned to the spoiler axis there. Any axis control that tries to directly control the spoilers, rather than making an input to the panel indirectly via the Prop Pitch #1 axis, is going to cause these sorts of issues.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

[torque2 24]

I checked for that, thinking the same thing was possible. I even disabled my hardware controllers completely thinking there was something overriding control. No change.Does the spoiler lever on the pedestal normally move fully upwards (to the 'Down' positiion) when the spoilers are retracted, or is it only active in the bottom half of the range, which is what I am seeing? [When the plane first loads, the lever is already half way down, and I can't get it to move up any further].David

[Bob Scott 7,720]

Spoiler handle should be at top of range on the pedestal.Double-check that you're using the .air file and config file for the Terry Gaff model, and not the ones for the FFX model. Should have the phantom tip tank defined in the aircraft.cfgAlso, you might try looking at the prop #1 axis using FSLook (a utility that comes in the FSUIPC SDK, available free on Pete Dowson's FSUIPC site. Might be a spurious assignment affecting that instead of the spoiler axis directly. Also, make sure there are no axis or key assignments for Prop #1 axis in FS that might conflict.Also, if your C172 startup is a saved situation, try instead using the "Create a Flight" option starting FS and manually select the C172. If you are using a saved C-172 situation that was created after switching from another plane, it could be there's a lingering setting in the .flt file.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

[torque2 24]

Thank you for your assistance. Using the FSLook2 tool you suggested I noted odd behavior in the Prop 2 axis. I deleted my FSUIPC.ini file and started fresh. And now my spoiler lever works properly, and the flaps retract! There must have been some obscure setting in my FSUIPC.ini file that was interfering.David