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I flew this mission for just about an hour and a half, hit each turn point and got to the finish line then landed at the airfield near the finish line (Zell Am See airport). Got a mission failed mission because I didn't land at Zell Am See (although I was in the middle of the runway). Luckely I saved the mission during the approach and landed again, this time stopping short of where the green arrows are pointing me to (on the parking ramp), again mission failed because I didnt land at "Zell Am See" airfield. I've tried landing from approaches on both sides of the runway, on the parking ramp, etc. About 5 tries at different spots and still get MISSION FAILED because I "didn't land at Zell Am See Airport" even though I did. Voice says "I see you've landed help, we'll pack up and come get you"- Is there a specific time requirement I'm supposed to meet?- Is there a grass field near that I'm supposed to land on?- Any other ideas on what I did or didn't do to get credit for the mission?Any assistance would be appreciated...Thanks

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Did the timer stop when you crossed the finish line? Are you using the mission compass or just using the GPS or the panel mounted nav gauge?You are supposed to cross the finish line in the air then land at Zell Am See, and there is no time limit (although your time is very good).I suspect that you missed a waypoint because the GPS system will assume you've reached the waypoint if you are anywhere past it relative to the next leg of the flight plan, but the mission system requires you to get closer to the actual waypoint. It's unfortunate that we have this mis-match, but the downside is only that you are forced to either fly to the waypoint via the GPS even though it has highlighted then next leg segment or refer to the mission compass.Of course my suspicions could be wrong and a bug is involved... I do know that save games occasionally do bad things, but I don't know if this is a case of bad behavior from the save game system.

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I had the same problem..The clock stopped in 1:15:something..I tried to land on every place inside the airport area and couldn

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I have had the same problem for the last couple of days. After having a good look around the aircraft systems I noticed it has reverse flap settings. IRL these reduce lift on the wings, so I thought I would try them when landing..... SUCCESS.Landing from the west with -9 degrees of flaps Press F5 then F6 twice. Time was 01:09:52.3Finally I got that tick.Hope this helpsMikeUpdate: Just landed from the east as well and got Success.

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I am having the same problem and its drving me crazy i tried all the suggestions that other people said and it still doesnt work!i have opened the ballast valves, used full spoilers, used 2 stages of negative flaps, put the gear down, come in on the west runway, set down on the centre line and stop on the runway. Then the girl ses iv landed out and I've failed...(i have beaten the course record aswell) i really cant think what else i can do...

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I had the same problem! I even tried saving right before landing and tried landing in both directions. Many times from the direction over a golf course of some sorts, and then from the other direction. Same result every time. "Welcome Back!" Followed by: "Looks like you've landed out!"Then, right before I quit, I was messing around and overflew the golf course to come in for the landing. This time, however, I didn't land and continued a short distance past the airport and landed near a small hill. SUCCESS!!Looks like the coordinates are off. Hope this helps.Tim

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Why are you guys setting negative flaps during landing ? That's insane since you actually have to fly way too fast for a good landing. The proper way to land a glider is to make sure you dumped all your water ballast beforehand, set full positive flaps and then use the spoilers to adjust your glide angle. Don't remember what the approach speed for a DG 808 is, but it's probably around 45 knots.

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Hmmm - I'm still getting this problem. I can get a completion time (best so far 1:15:57) but haven't worked out how to register a successful landing. Landing in the woods isn't an option as I have crash option set. I've landed from both the west and the east but no go.I'm suspicious of the way the mission voice tells me I've done a good start *after* I pass the finish line and *after* getting the good finish message - I think the landout may be confusion over landing after a start rather than a finish. I *do* get a good start at the beginning, and I only move to the next waypoint when I get a positive confirm from the mission compass (i.e. I don't rely on the GPS), so I'm sure I'm not missing any waypoints. I've flown the course 4 times now.

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I believe I know what is going on now. In this mission the designer created a property trigger to register if a takeoff was completed after landing out somewhere along the course. Unfortunately it wasn't hooked up quite right and the property trigger will fire as it you had landed out which fails the mission.One of you budding mission builders could probably fix it by either never activating this property trigger or going ahead and hooking it up right.We should have it fixed in SP1.BTW, 1:15 is a great time :)

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Thanks - good to hear from a well qualified source and I shall pester you no further.I've opened up the mission editor and will play around to see if I can tweak the mission.If anyone knows of a guaranteed workaround please post it here - some people have posted a completion so we know it's possible. I've tried landing in various spots around the airfield including some pretty hairy touchdowns just in front of the parked gliders but no dice.I've tried landing with full landing flaps, wheel down, center of the runway, no water ballast, from both ends landing short and long. Nada.I think I could do a tad better than 1:15:57 but someone else mentioned 1:10 and that looks *really* tough. As it is I only circle once until TP6 and after that I think its only 3 climbs and home.As an aside the entries in the DG808S .cfg file seem to indicate the cambridge vario should be TE compensated, while the winter vario is simple vertical-climb-rate, but both varios are clearly the latter even though the cambridge is reading some aircraft variometer variable.

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Hi I have managed a 1hr 8 mins time, got the Well done you a winner but still can't get the sucessfull mission, any advice yet?>Thanks - good to hear from a well qualified source and I>shall pester you no further.>>I've opened up the mission editor and will play around to see>if I can tweak the mission.>>If anyone knows of a guaranteed workaround please post it here>- some people have posted a completion so we know it's>possible. I've tried landing in various spots around the>airfield including some pretty hairy touchdowns just in front>of the parked gliders but no dice.>>I've tried landing with full landing flaps, wheel down, center>of the runway, no water ballast, from both ends landing short>and long. Nada.>>I think I could do a tad better than 1:15:57 but someone else>mentioned 1:10 and that looks *really* tough. As it is I only>circle once until TP6 and after that I think its only 3 climbs>and home.>>As an aside the entries in the DG808S .cfg file seem to>indicate the cambridge vario should be TE compensated, while>the winter vario is simple vertical-climb-rate, but both>varios are clearly the latter even though the cambridge is>reading some aircraft variometer variable.

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>Hi I have managed a 1hr 8 mins time, got the Well done you a>winner but still can't get the successful mission, any advice>yet?There's something funny about this mission and it has been reported before on other sites, but I got the mission reward (peregrine falcon) with a time of 1h23', yet people with a better time than mine can't seem to obtain it.I believe technically the award should be given with a time of less than 1h30'.Pietro.

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1 hour 8 minutes????? you kicked ####.Any particular technique? I managed 1 hour 6 but that was with a 10,000 foot start. So far my best is 1 hour 12 with the 'default' 4000 foot start.And after many tries I haven't found a workaround for the bug but I'm still working on it.

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I too used a 10k foot start, I'll try again with the default start and let you know how i do.

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For anyone who hasn't cracked 1 hour 15, here's my run through - not intended to be the 'ideal' approach, just a real example.MISSION OPENstraight glide across airfield to north slope of valleySTART: 3,900 feet, 00:00:00follow north contour of valley briefly in ridge left, turn left out to waypoint 1WAYPOINT 1: 4,300 feet, 00:01:30turn back to north side of valley to get back in ridge liftglide along close to north side of valley in ridge lift, following contours working way up slope without any S-turns. Don't fly too fast (90 knots is ok) if you're at risk of not climbing enough to reach waypoint 3 which is at about 5,500 feet, otherwise you'll end up S-turning to get up there. Turn left out to waypoint 2, passing through a visible thermal for boost on the way, without circling.WAYPOINT 2: 6,400 feet, 00:08:55Turn back immediately to the north side of the valley towards waypoint 3, with a bit of luck you're still high enough to make it in a straight flight.WAYPOINT 3: 6,200 feet, 00:10:27continue along the ridge through strong lift after WP3 towards WP4. Depending on height you may need to crcle half way along this ridge before WP4, or you might make it to a huge thermal above the rocks on the *south* side of the valley just before WP4. The following times are based on the first thermal but you can do a lot better getting over to the thermal on the south.WAYPOINT 4: 13,500 feet, 00:25:28turn quickly and head straight for WP5 back on the north side of the valleyWAYPOINT 5: 12,900 feet, 00:26:19head straight for WP6 17 nm away over the high ground. Cruise as fast as you can to get there around 7500 feet.WAYPOINT 6: 7,550 feet, 00:33:44turn the WP and head for WP 7 diverting slightly to the right to pass over the large rock not far from WP 6 to take a strong climb up to maybe 14,000 feet. If you get to this rock too long you end up struggling in the backwash. At 14,000 feet stop thermalling and head straight for WP7WAYPOINT 7: 10,200 feet, 00:42:30Fly past WP7 and head straight for WP 8.WAYPOINT 8: 10,650 feet, 00:48:15Fly on diverting a little to the right, and quickly pick up a large thermal and climb to maybe 14,000 feet. It's a long run to WP9 and the idea is to get high enough to pick up the next thermal from the bald mountain to the north of the valley 6.5 miles before WP9. You have to be high enough to get to the top of that mountain. Approx 6.7 miles before WP 9, over the rocks on the North side of the valley you'll fly through turbulence and enter a *very* strong thermal which goes up to an enormous height, more than you need. This is the LAST climb on the course. Climb fast to 17,000 feet and set off for WP9 at 140 knots. You'll continue to climb straight ahead for a while. From now on it's a straight run for home.WAYPOINT 9: 17,400 feet, 01:06:37WAYPOINT 10: 14,600 feet, 01:08:04WAYPOINT 11: 11,450 feet, 01:10:32Yes, I was way too high here and shouldn't have climbed as high earlier. Whatever - I'm giving you my real times.FINISH: 01:15:57As you can see, there are plenty of areas to improve but only by a few percent on the overall times, so in a real soaring x-country race the points would be very close.

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Yes, way too high at WPT9. 11,000 feet is enough. Just finished (after a million tries) at 1:04:40 withstart at 3,900 feet. The briefing says: "Skill level: beginner"and "estimated time to complete: 50 min". Is this going to be some dream goal? LarryT

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>start at 3,900 feet. The briefing says: "Skill level:>beginner">and "estimated time to complete: 50 min". Is this going to be>some >dream goal? >>LarryT Yeah thats wierd, it says beginner and est 50 minutes to complete in the briefing but on the main mission page it says its a "intermediate" level and the description says:"Fly a challenging real-world soaring course in Austria. Estimated time to complete: 1 hour 30 minutes."

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LarryT - if you only climb to 11,000 feet in the stonking thermal before WP9, how fast do you cruise to get home? I know I could improve the time by a couple of mins, but not much beyond that. Do you ridge run all the way to the West and take your first climb just before crossing the high ground to the North. Do you use the flaps? I tried negative flap at high speed but the glide ratio seemed to get *worse* so I've stayed in zero flap. Any other tips?

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1H03:48The key to this record is to arrive asap to Wpt 8 with 10000 feet in hand. Turn left heading 070 towards the ridge at speed of no less than 80 knts. As you get closer you will encounter strong sink, then buffeting and when you thought it was over, the ridge lift will appear. From now on you will never use another thermal; it will be straight all the way to the finish.Flaps to negative and turn slightly towards Wpt 9 and you will be flying all the way along the ridge. There will be 3 waves, your speed will never be less than 90 kts and on the last one you come out at 15200 feet at 110 kts. Always have your next waypoint slightly to the right as they all turn right. Now speed will be on average 110 kts and VNE on the last leg. I wonder who will be the first to crack the Hour !!!For those who thought they are a bit low coming out of WPt 9 (7000 feet circa ); head 180 , speed 80 kts towards the valley. On approaching the ridge on your right you should see a brown patch in the forest. When you are level with it turns towards WPT 10( I know the hill is higher than you), slow down to 60kts flaps down trim the glider. You should get 600fpm and climb over the top of the hill right up to Wpt 11. Isn

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Haha thanks maxloading - I turned 070 from WP8 and picked up the ridge/wave lift near the north ridge as described, but a little later along the ridge I was perhaps a little lower than you, and never-ending sink just dumped me into the valley - I had to follow the contours of the ridge down, just hoping the ridge lift would pick up, but it never did, and I sank like a rock. I ended up following a road along the valley staying just above ground until a field landing by the river right at WP9. I'm probably the only pilot who's seen WP9 up close... It's a shame because up to there I was haulin ####. And no-one witnessed my miraculous field landing.

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I kwnow that's why it is important to have 10000feet in hand. If you are too low you will not make it. There is a small rock on the left and on the right the beginning of the ridge. Once the wave start, turn towards Wpt9 to continue into the wave. You should be at 14000 feet at the end of the first wave.Stay around 90kts with negative flaps as you will encounter strong sink between wave.The rest should be history.Save the mission at WPT8 with 10000feet. Keep heading 070 until you hit the wave.Keep on trying you will get it in the end.Good luckAlain

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Hi,made it the first time with less then 10000 between the eight and ninth, made it just over the coll, practically fell down together with the slope towards the ninth turnpoint, got something above the the ninth, but not enough, so started gliding towards tenth turnpoint, looking for a landing field and luckiliy got a small beep (b21, you must have seen me real close passing over your landing field). Finally made it home with a lot of sweat and clocked just under 2 hours. At home, they call me the Lord of the lower regions :-) .So I could not let that go, second time made sure I was high enough (14 000 ft to be on the safe side, did not read the spoilers above) and made it home 1:07:23 minutes. So there two challenges left : do it within the hour ( I made some mistakes where I could have gone faster ) and disable the thermal markers (wished they existed in real live). regards, Jan

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Time to clock stop: 01:04:05* immediate start, 3900 feet* no 'save flight' used* bizarrely this time I got the 'mission successful' message on landing but I don't think I did anything different than the other attempts.So maxloading still has the world record I think.jh71 - this time I turned WP8 at 11,400 just to make sure, and got the wave(s) over the North ridge without a problem. When I tried it lower before and ended up lower than the ridgetop, trust me I didn't get a single sniff of lift all the way down to the valley floor.I circled three times in the flight - just before WP4 to 14,500 feet (you get the 'telemetry shows you going up like a rocket' message), then just after WP6 to 14,500 feet, and a little top-up just before WP8 to 11,500 feet. All those thermals were off-the-clock. Using the wave above the ridge is great advice as that saves a climb just after WP8 on the South side of the valley. I reckon I left the wave to run to WP9 at about 15,500 feet.I reckon I could have avoided the couple of turns before WP8 and shaved off a minute, but cracking one hour looks fairly challenging. And as they say in gliding, just because one person does it it doesn't mean it's possible.I haven't discovered how close you have to get to the waypoints to trigger a successful switchover to the next. I lose a little time moving out from the ridge for WP1 but I'm not sure I need to.It's a shame these missions aren't on multiplayer...

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Some, more discoveryThe 17 miles to go to WPt6 is quite a long way and you normally arrive a shade low and to catch the boomer above that rock, next to WPt 6 is tricky and nerve racking especially if you fly against the clock. So, I heading directly for that rock, keep it slightly to the left and I as got closer I aimed about 2/3rd so that I can enter it in a correct way . Just before, there is a ridge and when you cross it will give you a wonderful lift and deliver you straight into the boomer, up to 14000 feet in no time. Get out and go straight to WPt3 ( my time is 30mns from the start) which is 3.2 miles then onto 7,8 without circling.Wpt8 is well known for its SINK

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quote.....14000 feet in no time. Get out and go straight to WPt3 ( my time is 30mns from the start) which is 3.2 miles...end quote...Did you mean "get out and go straight to WPT6" (not WPT3)?So are you taking the climb *before* WP6?Well done calculating the course length - I did wonder.

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