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Excerpt from Rodrigo Chechia's message:1)Altitude alert is trigged whe you have ALT* on FMA

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To be honest, while I appreciate Rodrigo's detailed list, I'm sure most simmers don't care about whether the "diversionary relay matrix coupled to the hydraulic space toaster" works or not, rather, we would just like to see a plane released that actually does what the developers say it would do. So, when I read on the Wilco webpage that I am going to get a"Truly immersive sound experience - Exactly as the real aircraft : engine, APU, batteries, air conditioning, passenger signs, clicks,..."...and then discover that the developer threw in a couple of Boeing sounds in for good measure, THIS is what makes me angry. Especially since I just spent $50. ricardo

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"To be honest, while I appreciate Rodrigo's detailed list, I'm sure most simmers don't care about whether the "diversionary relay matrix coupled to the hydraulic space toaster" Actually for 50 euros I think they will care - I certainly do. It's probably the worst FS purchase I've ever made, and Iv'e bought a few! This package is just total rubbish IMO, from the outside model to the logic of the panel it's just a mess. I honestly think that the old PSS panel is better than this 'freeware' attempt.

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This new Airbus is surely nothing like PSS. It flies much more stable, much better in every way and the Fly By Wire actually works which never existed in the PSS bus anyway.I am sure some of these listed faults can be corrected and when nicely told to the developers I am sure they will consider corrections and release a patch.About auto coordination.... the bus automatically switches flightsim's auto coordination on, so that's why it is possible to steer the plane with a joystick. But rudders work as well. For some mysterious reason... I do have SID and STAR data...About Boeing sounds... download the real.a320wilco.egpws.zip from the file library here in AVSIM and the sounds are all Airbus style. No problem.For me, Feelthere product is a good product. Not perfect, but very seldom these ariliner addons are perfect or without faults when released.Tatu

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Their legacy jet also has the FBW system and that works pretty good. Not sure how accurate it is but it doesn't get in the way at all... I am totally ignorant towards the CRJ/ERJ so i'll take their implementation as proper. Anyhow, my point is that that wilco seems to be able to get a FBW system workingAt this point i will refer to wilco/ft as one because frankly, they are so entangled it makes no sense to differenciate.

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>Excerpt from Rodrigo Chechia's message:>>14) No G/S captureNever had a problem with that. Perhaps some people should read manual before posting nonsense.

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I own the PMDG 747 Flight1 ATR and PSSA340 Been flying this aircraft and i am not having all the faults that your posting?? this aircraft is not 100% but what plane is perfect right out of the hanger? maybe you should read the Manual again. check out the PSS Airbus forum (again not a complete aircraft), you still get some people posting with faults when they just dont have an understanding of the Airbus Logic. Rob EGLL

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>... check out the PSS Airbus forum (again not a complete>aircraft), you still get some people posting with faults when>they just dont have an understanding of the Airbus Logic.We are not talking about the PSS bus... (-:And my GS capture works as well in Wilco's bus.T

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Maybe i didn't make myself clear... but i assumed since the thread is called Wilco A320 you could figure it out. (I was using the pss forum as an example) Read the manual first then post faults about problems with G/S Capture Op climb etc

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>Maybe i didn't make myself clear... but i assumed since the>thread is called Wilco A320 you could figure it out. (I was>using the pss forum as an example) Read the manual first then>post faults about problems with G/S Capture Op climb etc I

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>>Maybe i didn't make myself clear... but i assumed since the>>thread is called Wilco A320 you could figure it out. (I was>>using the pss forum as an example) Read the manual first>then>>post faults about problems with G/S Capture Op climb etc >>>I

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1) PSS has less features than the Wilco bus. But...2) ...PSS features works more real than the Wilco bus. But...3) Both are very, very far from the real bus!

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in my opinion, for the fs9, pss remains the best choice.xp looks good...!

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>in my opinion, for the fs9, pss remains the best choice.Sure mr "real pilot"

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Maybe an instructor but in flightsim you need to capture from below, not from above the GS:-)

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Okay, I'm going to show my stupidity here but?14) No G/S captureNever, or is the FS limitation of not being able to capture the glideslope if the aircraft is above the glide slope the problem?24)No ADF2Is ADF something besides Automatic Direction Finder? FS does not have the capacity to have two NDB 'signals' received and displayed in the same cockpit.

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24) Sure you can. Tune VOR or NDB to two different frequencies and the ADF will point to two different beacons. You can even tune one ADF to receive an NDB and the other to a VOR. EDIT: well at least you can in the LDS and PMDG 747We're talking basic airmanship tools here.

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Seems that the more computer like an airplane gets, the more difficult it is to make a computer emulate it. What is it about the Airbus that is so difficult for developers to create?

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>24) Sure you can. Tune VOR or NDB to two different>frequencies and the ADF will point to two different beacons. >You can even tune one ADF to receive an NDB and the other to a>VOR. EDIT: well at least you can in the LDS and PMDG 747>>We're talking basic airmanship tools here.So let's keep it basic. It is not possible to tune ADF to receive a VOR. NDB and VOR have totally different frequency range, by no means is it possible to use ADF to receive VOR and vice versa. What you probably meant is that ND display can show Left and Right VOR or L/R ADF, in the Boeing planes that is. And that is the same for Airbus. Feelthere model misses the ADF 2 but has two VORs. ADF 2 is not a standard in the default style cockpit in the sim but it can be done.Then I have a question, does a real Airbus capture the glideslope from above?I did a little test and it seems that Localizer has to be captured before Glideslope in the FT bus AP to fly it correctly. I have seen this in many addon planes, I don't know how it is in real life though.T

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Mike,Please don't take this wrong - but we are not talking about airmanship tools.We are talking about how FLIGHT SIMULATOR does or does not implement real world capabilities.If I understand you correctly in the LDS and PMDG aircraft - you can go to EHAM on the start point for Rwy 06, tune NDB receiver #1 to 388.5, tune NDB receiver #2 to 376 - and have the one or two instrument(s) display pointing back behind the aircraft to NDB #1 and about 45 degrees off the starboard bow to NDB #2?If so, please post the radios section of the aircraft.cfg file and the portion of the panel.cfg file which list the NDB#1 and NDB#2 gauges.A lot of talented people have been trying to make that work for years, and have been completely unsuccessful.

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does a real Airbus capture the glideslope from above?From everything I've seen almost every real world aircraft with a post 1970 autopilot can capture a glideslope from above in some conditions. Of course, some are better than others and altitude above the GS, signal strength, interference and distance have an impact.Flight Simulator 2004 aircraft cannot capture a glide slope from above. It's is apparently programmed to specifically not allow that behavior.

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Its always great to get a new release. You can be sure that 'super' desktop pilots have a field day discovering all the things a 50 Euro product doesn't do 100% like in the real world. Even now we have 50 Euro per hour real world simulators that don't have 100% accuracy but hey lets show of our knowledge to the forum and slash this product.Pointing ou a flaw in a product is great but give the developer a chance to fix it and expect that your 60 Euro base program might miss some features needed to simulate everything 100%.It's not like anyone is forcing you to buy early or to trust add-on makers that generaly make the 80% real product to suddenly make a 100% product.Get a life...BTW If this one gets it about 80% right the competition is forced to make theirs a lot beter. Even if you don't buy this one the AirlinerXP folks are forced to at least include all the good functions in this one. Competition is good.

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>>in my opinion, for the fs9, pss remains the best choice.>>Sure mr "real pilot"I take it that you are an A320 Captain or First Officer, rather than an armchair pilot?A TAM A330 pilot said that the PSS simulation was good, albeit with flaws. A guy on Flightsim.com used an A320 Full-motion simulator, and his experience with the PSS Airbus came in very useful ;)

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