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found what appears to be a very interesting and helpful gauge,but I've never installed one so I'm pretty lost.The gauge is called Terravue by Greg Copeland,and it does come with very detailed instructions and a tutorial.However,since I'm all thumbs with computer lingo,I'm having a heck of a time getting it to work.I sent an e-mail to Mr. Copeland asking if he could send me an image of how the panel.cfg should look after placing it there,but he has not replied. I hope that maybe someone that has this gauge can reply,or at least guide me through the correct steps.I thought I was careful when adding all the information to the Cessna 172 panel cfg file,but apparently something is amiss since the gauge won't appear. I am using fs9 with UT/USA;FSGenesis;GE Pro.ThanksSkip DXPS400;win XP;XFX 7900gs;2gb Kingston;Dell 19"

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hello I used to be confused by gauge installation as well,in fact i would take one look at the instructions and think bu--er that and leave it alone.One day however i decided i have got to have a go at this i am not a complete thicko so i took the time to read carefully and slowly (remarkable for me)how it was done and found it to be pretty easy really.It is worth getting the knack of this as it can really add to your enjoyment of flying.The one area where patience is required is the locating the new gauges on the panel,but again just take it slowly and its not to difficult.One thing you can do if you want to make it easy is purchase a program called FS panel studio (i think its called)i have heard people speak really highly of this program and it makes gauge installation a doddle i believe.Trelane who posts here regularly has it i believe so you could ask him.i still use the x,y try it ,load the plane, see how it looks and try gain till right method(have actually got quite quick at it now)PS its Glenn Copeland by the way.Some gauges i can recommend areAuto flapsAuto gear Arm flaps and reverse thrustSeat view (actually really usefulCockpit commander These are all Glenn's---------------Lee Harrington's or is it Hetheringtons TCAS said to be the most realistic TCAS for FS---Rob Berendregt'spush back gauge These gauges all help the immersion and enjoyment factor greatly.Apologies to all authors for name spelling mistakes:-)


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Hi There,Here is a modified panel config for the C172 which includes Terravue.It is assumed that the gauge is correctly installed in the gauge folder.// Panel Configuration file// Cessna 172sp// Copyright © 2001-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[Window Titles]Window00=Main PanelWindow01=Radio StackWindow02=GPSWindow03=AnnunciatorWindow04=CompassWindow05=Mini PanelWindow06=Airport ChartWindow07=TerraVue <----[Window00]file=panel_background_640.bmpfile_1024=panel_background_1024.bmpsize_mm=640position=7visible=1no_luminous=1ident=MAIN_PANELgauge00=Cessna!ADF,545,86gauge01=Cessna172!Airspeed,145,56gauge02=Cessna!Altimeter,347,57gauge03=Cessna!Attitude,246,56gauge04=Cessna!Avionics Switch,240,286gauge06=Cessna!DME,544,49gauge07=Cessna!Flaps,598,286gauge08=Cessna!Fuel_Selector, 451, 287gauge09=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 246, 158gauge10=Cessna!IOAT, 482, 50gauge11=Cessna!Master_Alt_Bat,55,288gauge12=Cessna!Starter,5,288gauge13=Cessna172!Tachometer,545,180gauge14=Cessna172!Thrust_Controls,500,287gauge15=Cessna!Turn_Indicator,145,157gauge16=Cessna!Vertical_Speed,347,157gauge17=Cessna!VOR1,451,86gauge18=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 463, 59gauge19=Cessna!Pitch_Trim, 284, 286gauge21=Cessna182s!Autopilot_Switch, 68, 111gauge30=Cessna172!Clock,85,73gauge31=Cessna172!EGT_Fuel_Flow,72,133gauge32=Cessna172!Fuel,1,133gauge34=Cessna182s!Oil_Press_Temp, 1, 204gauge35=Cessna!OMI_Lights, 495, 70gauge36=Cessna182s!Switches,104, 289gauge37=Cessna182s!VOR2,451,180gauge38=Cessna!Vacuum_Ampermeter, 72, 204gauge39=SimIcons!Kneeboard Icon, 326, 280gauge40=SimIcons!ATC Icon, 340, 280gauge41=SimIcons!Map Icon, 354, 280gauge42=SimIcons!Avionics Icon, 399, 280gauge43=SimIcons!GPS Icon, 413, 280gauge44=SimIcons!Compass Icon, 427, 280gauge45=TerraVue!TerraVue_Icon, 441, 280, 12, 12 <---[Window01]BACKGROUND_COLOR=2,2,2size_mm=156,308position=8visible=0ident=RADIO_STACK_PANELgauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Audio, 0, 0gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 1, 0, 29gauge02=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 2, 0, 86gauge03=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio ADF, 0, 142gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 0, 180gauge05=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Xpndr, 0, 217gauge06=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 0, 262[Window02]size_mm=456,378window_size=0.5position=8BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0VISIBLE=0ident=GPS_PANELgauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0[Window03]size_mm=83,28WINDOW_POS=0.85,0.3BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16VISIBLE=0IDENT=ANNUNCIATOR_PANELgauge00=Cessna!Annunciator,0,0[Window04]file=172SP_compass.bmpsize_mm=70position=2visible=0ident=COMPASS_PANELgauge00=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,0,0[Window05]position=7size_mm=631,100child_3d=1background_color=0,0,0ident=MINIPANELgauge00=Cessna172!Airspeed, 0, 1gauge01=Cessna!Turn_Indicator, 102, 0gauge02=Cessna!Attitude, 207, 0gauge03=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 312, 0gauge04=Cessna!Altimeter, 417, 0gauge05=Cessna!Vertical_Speed, 531, 0[Window06]size_mm=912,654position=4window_size=0.75background_color=0,0,0visible=0ident=10000zorder=4update_rate=6gauge00=apchart!APChart,0,0,912,654[Window07] <---BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0 <---size_mm=343,343 <---position=0 <---visible=0 <---ident=210514 <---gauge00=TerraVue!TerraVue3, 5, 5, 343, 343 <---[VCockpit01]size_mm=512,512pixel_size=512,512texture=$C172s_1background_color=0,0,0gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 1, 0, 0, 205, 77gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 2, 206, 0, 205, 77gauge02=Cessna172!Clock, 413, 1, 93, 93gauge03=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 0, 86, 198, 51gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Audio, 201, 85, 198, 34gauge05=Cessna!Annunciator, 403, 96, 109, 30gauge06=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 0, 136, 198, 59gauge07=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Xpndr, 0, 196, 198, 61gauge08=Cessna182s!VOR2, 257, 129, 126, 126gauge09=Cessna!ADF, 385, 130, 126, 126gauge10=Cessna!VOR1, 1, 258, 126, 126gauge11=Cessna!Vertical_Speed, 129, 256, 126, 126gauge12=Cessna172!Airspeed, 256, 256, 128, 128gauge13=Cessna!Turn_Indicator, 384, 256, 128, 128gauge14=Cessna!Altimeter, 1, 383, 126, 126gauge15=Cessna172!Tachometer, 128, 383, 128, 128gauge16=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 256, 384, 128, 128gauge17=Cessna!Attitude, 383, 384, 128, 128[VCockpit02]file=Cessna_172_Panel_Decals.bmpsize_mm=512,512pixel_size=512,512texture=$C172s_2background_color=0,0,0gauge00=Cessna182s!Oil_Press_Temp, 257, 2, 98, 98gauge01=Cessna!Vacuum_Ampermeter, 256, 102, 98, 98gauge02=Cessna172!Fuel, 356, 2, 98, 98gauge03=Cessna172!EGT_Fuel_Flow, 356, 102, 98, 98gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio ADF, 261, 201, 214, 54gauge05=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,455, 0, 57, 57gauge06=Cessna!OMI_Lights, 461, 61, 47, 19gauge07=Cessna!Pitch_Trim, 461, 85, 44, 74gauge08=Cessna!IOAT, 457, 173, 54, 18[Default View]X=0Y=0SIZE_X=8192SIZE_Y=2500[Views]VIEW_FORWARD_DIR= 3.0, 0.0, 0.0Day=255,255,255Night=233,108,107Luminous=201,64,64The modifications are highlighted with <--- at the end of each line which needs to be added. 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>Hi There,>>Here is a modified panel config for the C172 which includes>Terravue.>>It is assumed that the gauge is correctly installed in the>gauge folder.>>// Panel Configuration file>// Cessna 172sp>// Copyright © 2001-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights>reserved.>>[Window Titles]>Window00=Main Panel>Window01=Radio Stack>Window02=GPS>Window03=Annunciator>Window04=Compass>Window05=Mini Panel>Window06=Airport Chart>Window07=TerraVue <---->>[Window00]>file=panel_background_640.bmp>file_1024=panel_background_1024.bmp>size_mm=640>position=7>visible=1>no_luminous=1>ident=MAIN_PANEL>>gauge00=Cessna!ADF,545,86>gauge01=Cessna172!Airspeed,145,56>gauge02=Cessna!Altimeter,347,57>gauge03=Cessna!Attitude,246,56>gauge04=Cessna!Avionics Switch,240,286>gauge06=Cessna!DME,544,49>gauge07=Cessna!Flaps,598,286>gauge08=Cessna!Fuel_Selector, 451, 287>gauge09=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 246, 158>gauge10=Cessna!IOAT, 482, 50>gauge11=Cessna!Master_Alt_Bat,55,288>gauge12=Cessna!Starter,5,288>gauge13=Cessna172!Tachometer,545,180>gauge14=Cessna172!Thrust_Controls,500,287>gauge15=Cessna!Turn_Indicator,145,157>gauge16=Cessna!Vertical_Speed,347,157>gauge17=Cessna!VOR1,451,86>gauge18=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 463, 59>gauge19=Cessna!Pitch_Trim, 284, 286>gauge21=Cessna182s!Autopilot_Switch, 68, 111>gauge30=Cessna172!Clock,85,73>gauge31=Cessna172!EGT_Fuel_Flow,72,133>gauge32=Cessna172!Fuel,1,133>gauge34=Cessna182s!Oil_Press_Temp, 1, 204>gauge35=Cessna!OMI_Lights, 495, 70>gauge36=Cessna182s!Switches,104, 289>gauge37=Cessna182s!VOR2,451,180>gauge38=Cessna!Vacuum_Ampermeter, 72, 204>gauge39=SimIcons!Kneeboard Icon, 326, 280>gauge40=SimIcons!ATC Icon, 340, 280>gauge41=SimIcons!Map Icon, 354, 280>gauge42=SimIcons!Avionics Icon, 399, 280>gauge43=SimIcons!GPS Icon, 413, 280>gauge44=SimIcons!Compass Icon, 427, 280>gauge45=TerraVue!TerraVue_Icon, 441, 280, 12, 12 <--->>>>[Window01]>BACKGROUND_COLOR=2,2,2>size_mm=156,308>position=8>visible=0>ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL>>gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Audio, 0, 0>gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 1, 0, 29>gauge02=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 2, 0, 86>gauge03=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio ADF, 0, 142>gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 0, 180>gauge05=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Xpndr, 0, 217>gauge06=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 0, 262>>[Window02]>size_mm=456,378>window_size=0.5>position=8>BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0>VISIBLE=0>ident=GPS_PANEL>>gauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0>>[Window03]>size_mm=83,28>WINDOW_POS=0.85,0.3>BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16>VISIBLE=0>IDENT=ANNUNCIATOR_PANEL>>gauge00=Cessna!Annunciator,0,0>>>[Window04]>file=172SP_compass.bmp>size_mm=70>position=2>visible=0>ident=COMPASS_PANEL>>gauge00=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,0,0>>[Window05]>position=7>size_mm=631,100>child_3d=1>background_color=0,0,0>ident=MINIPANEL>>gauge00=Cessna172!Airspeed, 0, 1>gauge01=Cessna!Turn_Indicator, 102, 0>gauge02=Cessna!Attitude, 207, 0>gauge03=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 312, 0>gauge04=Cessna!Altimeter, 417, 0>gauge05=Cessna!Vertical_Speed, 531, 0>>[Window06]>size_mm=912,654>position=4>window_size=0.75>background_color=0,0,0>visible=0>ident=10000>zorder=4>>update_rate=6>>gauge00=apchart!APChart,0,0,912,654>>[Window07] <--->BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0 <--->size_mm=343,343 <--->position=0 <--->visible=0 <--->ident=210514 <--->gauge00=TerraVue!TerraVue3, 5, 5, 343, 343 <--->>>[VCockpit01]>size_mm=512,512>pixel_size=512,512>texture=$C172s_1>background_color=0,0,0>>gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 1, 0, 0,>205, 77>gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 2, 206,>0, 205, 77>gauge02=Cessna172!Clock, 413, 1, 93, 93>gauge03=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 0, 86, 198,>51>gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Audio, 201, 85,>198, 34>gauge05=Cessna!Annunciator, 403, 96, 109, 30>gauge06=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 0, 136, 198,>59>gauge07=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Xpndr, 0, 196,>198, 61>gauge08=Cessna182s!VOR2, 257, 129, 126, 126>gauge09=Cessna!ADF, 385, 130, 126, 126>gauge10=Cessna!VOR1, 1, 258, 126, 126>gauge11=Cessna!Vertical_Speed, 129, 256, 126, 126>gauge12=Cessna172!Airspeed, 256, 256, 128, 128>gauge13=Cessna!Turn_Indicator, 384, 256, 128, 128>gauge14=Cessna!Altimeter, 1, 383, 126, 126>gauge15=Cessna172!Tachometer, 128, 383, 128, 128>gauge16=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 256, 384, 128, 128>gauge17=Cessna!Attitude, 383, 384, 128, 128>>>[VCockpit02]>file=Cessna_172_Panel_Decals.bmp>size_mm=512,512>pixel_size=512,512>texture=$C172s_2>background_color=0,0,0>>gauge00=Cessna182s!Oil_Press_Temp, 257, 2, 98, 98>gauge01=Cessna!Vacuum_Ampermeter, 256, 102, 98, 98>gauge02=Cessna172!Fuel, 356, 2, 98, 98>gauge03=Cessna172!EGT_Fuel_Flow, 356, 102, 98, 98>gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio ADF, 261, 201,>214, 54>gauge05=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,455, 0, 57, 57>gauge06=Cessna!OMI_Lights, 461, 61, 47, 19>gauge07=Cessna!Pitch_Trim, 461, 85, 44, 74>gauge08=Cessna!IOAT, 457, 173, 54, 18>>>[Default View]>X=0>Y=0>SIZE_X=8192>SIZE_Y=2500>>[Views]>VIEW_FORWARD_DIR= 3.0, 0.0, 0.0>>>Day=255,255,255>Night=233,108,107>Luminous=201,64,64>>The modifications are highlighted with <--- at the end of each>line which needs to be added. >>Best regards,That looks right to me.Have you tried altering the size of the icon?at present its 12,12 try something bigger 30,30 or 40,40 till you can see it.


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hey guys--thanks for all the quick replies!!I'm gonna try the suggestions(the schematic of how the gauge fits into the panel.cfg is what I was having problems with)and I'll let you know how I made out. Is anybody using this gauge--how do you like it? I was interested because you can D/L and view approach plates.Skip D

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Hi There,Remember... the square brackets cannot be used in this forum. they make the entire line disappear. I will post the config file again later using normal brackets.Best regards,

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Hi,Here is the aircraft panel config file for the Cessna 172 and Terravue again. Knowing that the square brackets cannot be used in this forum I replaced them with < and >. Please replace again all instances with square brackets if you use this config file.// Panel Configuration file// Cessna 172sp// Copyright © 2001-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.Window00=Main PanelWindow01=Radio StackWindow02=GPSWindow03=AnnunciatorWindow04=CompassWindow05=Mini PanelWindow06=Airport ChartWindow07=TerraVuefile=panel_background_640.bmpfile_1024=panel_background_1024.bmpsize_mm=640position=7visible=1no_luminous=1ident=MAIN_PANELgauge00=Cessna!ADF,545,86gauge01=Cessna172!Airspeed,145,56gauge02=Cessna!Altimeter,347,57gauge03=Cessna!Attitude,246,56gauge04=Cessna!Avionics Switch,240,286gauge06=Cessna!DME,544,49gauge07=Cessna!Flaps,598,286gauge08=Cessna!Fuel_Selector, 451, 287gauge09=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 246, 158gauge10=Cessna!IOAT, 482, 50gauge11=Cessna!Master_Alt_Bat,55,288gauge12=Cessna!Starter,5,288gauge13=Cessna172!Tachometer,545,180gauge14=Cessna172!Thrust_Controls,500,287gauge15=Cessna!Turn_Indicator,145,157gauge16=Cessna!Vertical_Speed,347,157gauge17=Cessna!VOR1,451,86gauge18=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 463, 59gauge19=Cessna!Pitch_Trim, 284, 286gauge21=Cessna182s!Autopilot_Switch, 68, 111gauge30=Cessna172!Clock,85,73gauge31=Cessna172!EGT_Fuel_Flow,72,133gauge32=Cessna172!Fuel,1,133gauge34=Cessna182s!Oil_Press_Temp, 1, 204gauge35=Cessna!OMI_Lights, 495, 70gauge36=Cessna182s!Switches,104, 289gauge37=Cessna182s!VOR2,451,180gauge38=Cessna!Vacuum_Ampermeter, 72, 204gauge39=SimIcons!Kneeboard Icon, 326, 280gauge40=SimIcons!ATC Icon, 340, 280gauge41=SimIcons!Map Icon, 354, 280gauge42=SimIcons!Avionics Icon, 399, 280gauge43=SimIcons!GPS Icon, 413, 280gauge44=SimIcons!Compass Icon, 427, 280gauge45=TerraVue!TerraVue_Icon, 441, 280, 12, 12BACKGROUND_COLOR=2,2,2size_mm=156,308position=8visible=0ident=RADIO_STACK_PANELgauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Audio, 0, 0gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 1, 0, 29gauge02=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 2, 0, 86gauge03=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio ADF, 0, 142gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 0, 180gauge05=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Xpndr, 0, 217gauge06=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 0, 262size_mm=456,378window_size=0.5position=8BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0VISIBLE=0ident=GPS_PANELgauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0size_mm=83,28WINDOW_POS=0.85,0.3BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16VISIBLE=0IDENT=ANNUNCIATOR_PANELgauge00=Cessna!Annunciator,0,0file=172SP_compass.bmpsize_mm=70position=2visible=0ident=COMPASS_PANELgauge00=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,0,0position=7size_mm=631,100child_3d=1background_color=0,0,0ident=MINIPANELgauge00=Cessna172!Airspeed, 0, 1gauge01=Cessna!Turn_Indicator, 102, 0gauge02=Cessna!Attitude, 207, 0gauge03=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 312, 0gauge04=Cessna!Altimeter, 417, 0gauge05=Cessna!Vertical_Speed, 531, 0size_mm=912,654position=4window_size=0.75background_color=0,0,0visible=0ident=10000zorder=4update_rate=6gauge00=apchart!APChart,0,0,912,654BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0size_mm=343,343 position=0visible=0ident=210514gauge00=TerraVue!TerraVue3, 5, 5, 343, 343size_mm=512,512pixel_size=512,512texture=$C172s_1background_color=0,0,0gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 1, 0, 0, 205, 77gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Nav-Comm 2, 206, 0, 205, 77gauge02=Cessna172!Clock, 413, 1, 93, 93gauge03=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME, 0, 86, 198, 51gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Audio, 201, 85, 198, 34gauge05=Cessna!Annunciator, 403, 96, 109, 30gauge06=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 0, 136, 198, 59gauge07=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio Xpndr, 0, 196, 198, 61gauge08=Cessna182s!VOR2, 257, 129, 126, 126gauge09=Cessna!ADF, 385, 130, 126, 126gauge10=Cessna!VOR1, 1, 258, 126, 126gauge11=Cessna!Vertical_Speed, 129, 256, 126, 126gauge12=Cessna172!Airspeed, 256, 256, 128, 128gauge13=Cessna!Turn_Indicator, 384, 256, 128, 128gauge14=Cessna!Altimeter, 1, 383, 126, 126gauge15=Cessna172!Tachometer, 128, 383, 128, 128gauge16=Cessna!Heading_Indicator, 256, 384, 128, 128gauge17=Cessna!Attitude, 383, 384, 128, 128file=Cessna_172_Panel_Decals.bmpsize_mm=512,512pixel_size=512,512texture=$C172s_2background_color=0,0,0gauge00=Cessna182s!Oil_Press_Temp, 257, 2, 98, 98gauge01=Cessna!Vacuum_Ampermeter, 256, 102, 98, 98gauge02=Cessna172!Fuel, 356, 2, 98, 98gauge03=Cessna172!EGT_Fuel_Flow, 356, 102, 98, 98gauge04=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio ADF, 261, 201, 214, 54gauge05=Magnetic_Compass!Magnetic-Compass,455, 0, 57, 57gauge06=Cessna!OMI_Lights, 461, 61, 47, 19gauge07=Cessna!Pitch_Trim, 461, 85, 44, 74gauge08=Cessna!IOAT, 457, 173, 54, 18X=0Y=0SIZE_X=8192SIZE_Y=2500VIEW_FORWARD_DIR= 3.0, 0.0, 0.0Day=255,255,255Night=233,108,107Luminous=201,64,64Best regards,

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Just a heads up -You CAN use square brackets here.Just put a check mark in the box at the top of the message you are composing where it says "Check here if you want to format your message in plain text".I thought you could not use square brackets also until that was pointed out to me a month or so ago.

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