Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Guest Tarks

Advise Needed To Control Rudder

Recommended Posts

Guest Tarks

Hi all,I am having an impossible time trying to control the aircraft via rudder while taxing. Up until now I have never played the game with any wind but feel it is time to take the game to the next level. Obviously with any wind the aircraft is being pushed around. I am using the Microsoft Sidewinder joystick. I have tried adjusting the sensitivity with no results. Does one require rudder pedals in order to control the aircraft?Thanks for any advise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Having rudder pedals helps a lot, but it's still difficult sometimes. The ground handling in MSFS sucks so bad. Some models handle better than others though.


- Chris

Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | Intel Core i9 13900KF | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB | 64GB DDR5 SDRAM | Corsair H100i Elite 240mm Liquid Cooling | 1TB & 2TB Samsung Gen 4 SSD  | 1000 Watt Gold PSU |  Windows 11 Pro | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Thrustmaster TCA Captain X Airbus | Asus ROG 38" 4k IPS Monitor (PG38UQ)

Asus Maximus VII Hero motherboard | Intel i7 4790k CPU | MSI GTX 970 4 GB video card | Corsair DDR3 2133 32GB SDRAM | Corsair H50 water cooler | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (2) | EVGA 1000 watt PSU - Retired

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Try decreasing the sensitivity in the Settings-Controls menu for the rudders. If it is a problem specific to a particular airplane, then you can modify the contact point which MIkegives the steering angle. Many are set way too high which gives uncontrollable steering on the ground.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the real world in a light aircraft while taxiing in a strong crosswind you would cross control. You would need pedals for that and I highly recommend their use. If you get them be sure to disable auto-rudder in FS. Look toward the final paragraphs in this post where I address these issues. I was a real GA pilot and immediately bought peds in addition to a stick (no room for a yoke and I had other issues) because I was aware of what separate rudder/nosewheel control from aileron control offers.If it is an issue of sensitivity and you get peds that come with software and that software will probably let you adjust sensitivity on a non-linear scale (look for an adjustable curve). This lets you have decreased sensitivity near the center of your rudder axis and increased sensitivity as you deflect it more so when steering near center you have greater control over fine steering but still have the ability to get full deflection if needed.If you do not wish to buy peds you can get a full (paid) version of FSUIPC here:http://www.schiratti.com/dowson.htmland follow the purchase instructions. This will offer control mapping that can offer the same non-linear sensitivity even if you use auto-rudder. I use CH peds and do not use their software but use a full FSUIPC for non-linear control sensitivity and other features.You can download FSUIPC at no charge and look through the documentation to see what it offers.Finally back to the ground cross wind issue if you have peds. At the slowest speeds you need to turn your ailerons into the cross wind component direction increasing the deflection as you get slower especially during taxi. You steer with peds as needed. Remember to adjust your ailerons as your aircraft takes on different directions with the taxiways. Also, if there is a headwind component push your nose down with forward yoke pressure. If there is a tailwind component you get a reverse action and pulling the yoke back increases nose pressure at slow speeds. Be careful as your taxi direction changes as a headwind component could become a tailwind component. Moving the yoke in the wrong elevator direction on a light aircraft could reduce pressure on a nose wheel even possibly lifting it causing nosewheel skidding. (Turning ailerons in the wrong direction can cause a wing to lift.)The technique described also works on takeoffs and landings. As an aircraft touches down and slows you increase aileron deflection into the crosswind direction while steering straight with the nosewheel pushing the yoke forward on ground contact into the headwind. Landing a tail-dragger is different and I'm not too familiar with that. Taking off you steer with the nosewheel and ailerons into the crosswind decreasing aileron deflection as you IAS increases which increases aileron effectiveness. Also, you might have to delay pulling the yoke back for lift-off so the nosewheel maintains a bit of pressure for steering assist although rudder effect does increase with speed. It is also important to note that rudder maintains steering effect sensitivity as speed slows over the effect of ailerons at slower speeds.Hope this helps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A lot of it has to do with the control limits of a twist grip joystick. It doesn't move very far in either direction, but it's controlling the rudders full range. Pedals help since a tiny push on the pedal isn't nearly as much movement as the tiny twist on your stick. I recommend pedals anyway as the toe brakes help and in some older taildraggers such as the DC-3, they're pretty much essential. As Ronzie said, there's some cross controlling going on in the real world, but I've yet to see the sim care about elevator and aileron positions. I've tested it. If you want to be as real as it gets, just remember on tricycle gear, it's "dive into and fly away".


John Morgan

 

"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Tom Allensworth,
    Founder of AVSIM Online


  • Flight Simulation's Premier Resource!

    AVSIM is a free service to the flight simulation community. AVSIM is staffed completely by volunteers and all funds donated to AVSIM go directly back to supporting the community. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. Thank you for your support!

    Click here for more information and to see all donations year to date.
×
×
  • Create New...