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The 30-fps Sweet Spot...is A Myth! I've Proved It!

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BTW how in the world are you getting 25 to 30 FPS in Flight Sim at 1920x1050 with your hardware?---------------------------------------------------------------------------Todd, I've been getting that quite easily. In fact, at unlimited, I can hover in the low 40's. In FSX, I easily can get 24-30 fps. I'm not actually impressed by this.Within FSX, in really heavy cloud, or in multi-layers, I can go down to 13 to 18 for brief periods.The above FPS has given me no real urge to upgrade past my Dell XPS Generation 3 P4 3.4 GHz, until I see what FS11 will need, and what kind of performance the folks around here would get with the latest and greatest that they have.Lastly, I'm in fact running at 1920x1200 on a 30 inch wide-screen. (not 1050) in full window mode. I easily pop the above specified FPS. The ATI 1950 Pro 256 has proved to be one hell of a card. No complaints!

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Within FSX, in really heavy cloud, or in multi-layers, I can go down to 13 to 18 for brief periods.
What slider settings do you have then? I also get 20+ fps in FSX but then I have disabled all traffic settings and autogen and shadows.

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hi,Having 100 FPS, is showing that your system is not being taxed to the max....there is headroom 'behind the scenes' for all the thousands of calculations per second happening to make your virtual world; and if I read your reply, you did not achieve an FPS readout of 95 sustainable? That is why you did not see any difference. If you can get your viewpoint FPS to what I posted, you indeed will see a difference. It glares at you! :)To do so for myself, I originally went out of FULL WINDOW mode, and using the ALT-ENTER combo, went into WINDOW mode. I then reduced that window upon my Desktop to 5x5 inches. After that, I increased that window's size until I saw FPS starting to drop off. That was for my system, around a 10x10 inch window. I have left it there at that. I have since taken many flights, over varied topography....and simply could not be happier with how clear and sharp the textures are, as well of course as is the simply superb animation. Also to answer Todd, I am running at 1920x1200. The results are simply stunning. I never changed out the maximum rez setting for my card, at any time during this experiment. :)Mitch
Mitch,From windowed mode to go to say the 10"x10" screen .. is it done by dragging with the mouse to adjust the window size or are you using the monitors Vert/Horiz controls?And, do you leave the resolution the same .. 1920x1200?I have a 2 monitor setup but may go to one monitor (Viewsonic 21") to do a test.

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Mitch,From windowed mode to go to say the 10"x10" screen .. is it done by dragging with the mouse to adjust the window size or are you using the monitors Vert/Horiz controls?And, do you leave the resolution the same .. 1920x1200?I have a 2 monitor setup but may go to one monitor (Viewsonic 21") to do a test.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Vonmar, all I did, was to first go from FULL SCREEN MODE to a window via the Alt-ENTER keystroke. Then, I used the bottom right to drag the window (originally to 5x5 inches). I then expanded from 5x5 to 10x10 where I noticed that my FPS were just then dropping from a nominal 95 FPS.That's the mechanical of the event. I ackknowledge all the posts that said I shouldn't be seeing any true performance increase from let's say running FULL SCREEN at 30-40 FPS. Well...I'm not here to badger anyone into believing that with 95 FPS in a 10x10 window, the sim is a whole new beast. For myself, will I attest to that. Do I want to sim at 10x10 for the rest of my life? Uh no...lol. Of course I have gone back to Full Screen at 30-40 FPS, unlimited and at a pegged 24 FPS that I usually had run with. I'm just going to wait until I can get 60 constant (as one poster said might be the really true sweet spot as the screen refreshes at 60 Hz, for an LCD) and see what FX11 will need for hardware.I certainly intend though, to drop down to 95fps/10x10 when I want that superb animation environment. :)If you can get your 10x10 to 95 FPS---enjoy!Mitch
What slider settings do you have then? I also get 20+ fps in FSX but then I have disabled all traffic settings and autogen and shadows.
-----------------------------------------JFRI,Do a search for my posts in the HARDWARE FORUM, and then find the post where I posted my FSX config file. All that you are asking can be gleaned from that.Until you do that....I can tell you that I have Traffic at around 15 percent. No BOATS or FERRIES..set to zero. Most else is maxed out. I have been very pleased with my P4 3.4 GHz/ ATI 1950 Pro 256 meg setup. I have not felt pressured to have had a system beyond that---as it does FSX quite doable. I will most likely ramp up to the latest powerhouse system, when I see that by doing so...you can run FX11 at full power, with graphic room to spare!Cheers!Mitch

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Mitch:I dunno if you're a 'real' pilot or not, but in the real world, small control inputs are REQUIRED in all phases of hand flight (and the autopilot is doing it dozens of times per second), including the skill of holding a glideslope / localizer. So, I'd soil my pants if this weekend I fired up the 172R and shot an approach to KPWK and small control inputs were throwing me all over the sky (I've already seen friends turn green in the turbulent skies of the windy city). LOLIn the real world, the dynamics of simply crossing from over a grassy field to over a hot asphault highway will be dynamically different on your controls there fore small control input are required, just like driving a car...you don't hold the steering wheel or the yoke completely still. So, that is to say, if you are in a situation where small control inputs are exaggerated as you say, those dynamics are horribly wrong.Case in point, with my rig, I easily can get up to +200 FPS (average is ~30 - 150 fps) @ 24" 1920x1200 with all ATI Catalyst settings on high and I see absolutely no difference in fluidity between 50 or 100 or 200 FPS...they look and feel and fly exactly the same but I keep my FPS unlocked anyway since FPS performance is not an issue. 30 FPS is not a holy grail for a lock, its a holy grail if you are UNLOCKED and never dip below this. If you are locked at 30 FPS but FS has got to start gutting the sim to attempt to keep 30 FPS then your experience will be vastly different than someone who can fly +30 FPS unlocked with the sim wide open performancewise. So all that to say that if the overhead is there to keep fluidity and functionality above 30 fps at all times having 5000 fps would make no difference what-so-ever. As long as your system doesn't need to start dumbing down FS to keep a fluid frame rate, the point is moot.Regards,Mike T.

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Might as well throw in my 2 cents. Since hooking up my ASUS 26" widescreen LCD, I've had to do all sorts of tweaking to get things right. First of all I made a 4:3 aspect ratio "hardware profile" to alleviate the "stretching" on my widescreen. I finally got the nVidia GTX260 to work, with AA, using nHancer (lots of posts here on that topic!). Now, something to keep in mind, V-SYNC only limits your FPS to refresh rate when playing full screen mode...I've always flown FS in Windowed mode and I can get up to 160-170 fps when using unlimited fps setting AND V-SYNC enabled. When I play Silent Hunter 3, however, I max at 60...it's a "full screen" game. I went to "unlimited", after years of locking fps at 30, due to some horrible stutters with my new system...that fixed it...BUT, since I OC the GTX260, I actually had it shut down on a flight with the PIC 737 due to overheating. Apparently "unlimited" FPS setting also causes some extreme heat at the GPU...which makes sense. Long story short...I've locked my fps at 60 now. No GPU heat problems and only a few stutters as I turn the aircraft at a busy airport (meaning I'm loading new textures during the turn), nothing like at first. I still have not found a way to alleviate these texture loading stutters, but they are very minimized now. I've tried going back to 30 fps lock...and horrible stutters return.ASUS Rampage Extreme x48Intel C2Q 9650 3.0ghz4gb OCZ RAMBFG GTX260, 896mb(C:720, S:1480, M:1220, mhz)SoundMAX X-fi So, I agree that the 30 fps lock doesn't apply to everyone...but it was the only way to fly on my old CRT.Vic

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