Hi Noel,thanks for your excellent description of multi monitor usage.I built during the last years nearly the same environment and I am now installing for a friend a 4 monitor environment with TH2GO and one touch screen below.My problem in FSX is, that the position and size of the screen (outside view) on the 3 monitors of TH2GO is not stored properly. I store a situation e.g. in window mode 3000x1000. When I load this free flight again I am getting a smaller window on one monitor e.g. 900x400.Do you know the reason for that?AND what I am more interested in is this: do you know WHERE FSX is storing these values? In FSX.CFG or in CONTROLS or in .FLT files??? I didn't find yet the right file or parameter or section.In my personal environment I do not have this problem. I am using for the outside view a HD-projector (a "beamer" as we say)All systems are with XP PRO, INTEL dual core and NVidia graficsthanks in advanceAlhard H.Erlangen, GermanyFlying MS Flight Simulator since 1980.

Hi Alhard,I'm not sure if I understand you correctly - are you saving a flight while in Windowed mode, but then when you select that flight in a subsequent FSX session, the windows are not the same size? If yes, I don't know why that would be. I setup my panel configurations in windowed mode and save the flight. When I restart FSX, select that newly saved flight, in windowed mode, all of the panels are where I left them. Then I go to full screen mode to fly. BTW, I'm now using Vista64, but was using XP.I looked around tonight for the file that defines where each of these windows' location is stored. I've always wondered that myself. It appears that the info is stored in each *.flt file as you suspected. I opened a couple of the files like Super80.flt and scrolled down where I see entries like:[Panel.11]ScreenUniCoords=1973, 0, 1099, 4290UndoCoords=3519, 1003, 536, 733Visible=TrueUndocked=TrueHiddenOn=FalseID=10070ViewsOn=1I have never tried to alter these...anyone else familiar with manipulating these entries?Sorry I can't be of more help. Perhaps one of the wizards around here will have some ideas.Noel WBrisbane

Hi Alhard,I'm not sure if I understand you correctly - are you saving a flight while in Windowed mode, but then when you select that flight in a subsequent FSX session, the windows are not the same size? If yes, I don't know why that would be. I setup my panel configurations in windowed mode and save the flight. When I restart FSX, select that newly saved flight, in windowed mode, all of the panels are where I left them. Then I go to full screen mode to fly. BTW, I'm now using Vista64, but was using XP.I looked around tonight for the file that defines where each of these windows' location is stored. I've always wondered that myself. It appears that the info is stored in each *.flt file as you suspected. I opened a couple of the files like Super80.flt and scrolled down where I see entries like:[Panel.11]ScreenUniCoords=1973, 0, 1099, 4290UndoCoords=3519, 1003, 536, 733Visible=TrueUndocked=TrueHiddenOn=FalseID=10070ViewsOn=1I have never tried to alter these...anyone else familiar with manipulating these entries?Sorry I can't be of more help. Perhaps one of the wizards around here will have some ideas.Noel WBrisbane

Hi Noel, thanks for your quick response.Yes, you underderstood my problem correctly. I alway have to rearrange the main outside window to full size over 3 monitors in windowed mode and the undocked panels after loading one of my stored flights.Therefore it is important to know where FSX is storing these values. It is not in the panels, as you supposed.I try to prepare screen shots to make it more clear for others in this forum, even it is I think.But Noel you can help me in a different way: please give me some ENGLISH keywords for my problem, so I can google around. It is often my problem not to have the right english kewords, as it's not my native language.best regardsAlhardPS: you are living in Brisbane-Australia????

Hi AlhardI am indeed in Australia, though I'm not from here - I'm on a long term assignment with my company. So it's 6:30 in the morning here as I write this. When I get home later, I'll play around with those *.flt files just the same. I'm curious what effect changing some of the numbers will have.And just to be clear: Are you starting and stopping FSX in windowed mode, but actually flying in Full Screen mode? I always fly in Full Screen as my FPS in Windowed Mode are very low. I know other people have just the opposite experience. Strange.Are you 'undocking' each panel except the main, 'outside' view? During my initial configuring of a new airplane, while in windowed mode, I undock each separate panel, then drag it to whatever monitor I wish. Each new panel opened will appear in the main FSX window on my TH2go screens, which I then undock, and drag to another monitor. I do not undock the main outside view on the TH2go screens. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but I've never seen a need to undock it, since I'm not moving it. I save my flight, and then exit FSX.I start FSX again, in windowed mode, and when I go to full screen, all of the Window borders disappear, and just the panels themselve are left displayed with the blank areas of the monitors appearing black.Also, though probably not related, you have made sure that the screen resolution for each video adapter in WinXP and in FSX (Display Settings) is correct, right? For my TH2go video adapter, that is 3840x1024. The 'instrument panel' monitor on the same card is 1440x900. There are two more monitors on another video card running at 1440x900 each. As a result, in my FSX, there are 4 'displays', though I have to open the 'combo box' to see each one, and set each resolution. I have seen sporadically, times when even though I correctly set the resolution for each display in FSX, for some reason, it reverts to something like 1024x768, which of course goofs things up.Oh, and yes, a screen shot would be great. Better yet, because there are multiple monitors involved, just take a picture with a digital camera so you can capture all of the screens. That would be very helpful to have a series of photos of what you are seeing.As far as English key words to find out how WinXP or FSX stores window size info, I tried the following without any luck:"where window size stored?""where FSX window info stored?""where Flightsim window info stored?"I'd sure think one of forum readers here would have a clue on this - anyone know for sure where FSX stores the undocked window location info?Noel WBrisbane

Magnificent thread! Thanks to all who contributed.Rob Young

Hi AlhardI am indeed in Australia, though I'm not from here - I'm on a long term assignment with my company. So it's 6:30 in the morning here as I write this. When I get home later, I'll play around with those *.flt files just the same. I'm curious what effect changing some of the numbers will have.And just to be clear: Are you starting and stopping FSX in windowed mode, but actually flying in Full Screen mode? I always fly in Full Screen as my FPS in Windowed Mode are very low. I know other people have just the opposite experience. Strange.Are you 'undocking' each panel except the main, 'outside' view? During my initial configuring of a new airplane, while in windowed mode, I undock each separate panel, then drag it to whatever monitor I wish. Each new panel opened will appear in the main FSX window on my TH2go screens, which I then undock, and drag to another monitor. I do not undock the main outside view on the TH2go screens. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but I've never seen a need to undock it, since I'm not moving it. I save my flight, and then exit FSX.I start FSX again, in windowed mode, and when I go to full screen, all of the Window borders disappear, and just the panels themselve are left displayed with the blank areas of the monitors appearing black.Also, though probably not related, you have made sure that the screen resolution for each video adapter in WinXP and in FSX (Display Settings) is correct, right? For my TH2go video adapter, that is 3840x1024. The 'instrument panel' monitor on the same card is 1440x900. There are two more monitors on another video card running at 1440x900 each. As a result, in my FSX, there are 4 'displays', though I have to open the 'combo box' to see each one, and set each resolution. I have seen sporadically, times when even though I correctly set the resolution for each display in FSX, for some reason, it reverts to something like 1024x768, which of course goofs things up.Oh, and yes, a screen shot would be great. Better yet, because there are multiple monitors involved, just take a picture with a digital camera so you can capture all of the screens. That would be very helpful to have a series of photos of what you are seeing.As far as English key words to find out how WinXP or FSX stores window size info, I tried the following without any luck:"where window size stored?""where FSX window info stored?""where Flightsim window info stored?"I'd sure think one of forum readers here would have a clue on this - anyone know for sure where FSX stores the undocked window location info?Noel WBrisbane

Good morning Noel, good to see you again.I will answer (A:) your question (Q:) below:Q: "Are you starting and stopping FSX in windowed mode, but actually flying in Full Screen mode?" A: Yes, but NO for flying. I fly in windowed mode as well for performance reasons. Q: " Are you 'undocking' each panel except the main, 'outside' view?" A: I am undocking each panel and the outside view as well.Q: " I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but I've never seen a need to undock it, since I'm not moving it." A: The reason for undocking the outside view to the TH2GO monitors is, that the "primary" display (Microsoft wording) with the task bar at the bottom is the 4th monitor (touch screen, see attachment).Q: "you have made sure that the screen resolution for each video adapter in WinXP and in FSX (Display Settings) is correct, right?" A: Yes, (attachment to follow, as an example I added two screen shots of my personal FSX configuration).Q: "I have seen sporadically, times when even though I correctly set the resolution for each display in FSX, for some reason, it reverts to something like 1024x768," A: Yes I made the same experience.Dear Noel, I hope these answers and pictures make it more clear.Thanks for your assistance and for the keywords. I will go on searching.regardsAlhard, It's time to go to bed.PS: I have been in Brisbane and Sydney in 1984 on a business trip.

Thanks a million for starting this informative and inspirational thread, Noel! :( A little question: how are your monitors mounted? I'm in my very early days of flight-simming, and would like to build a system that one day builds into something along your lines (currently I've got just got a self-built computer with 24" WS monitor and the Saitek yoke, throttle and rudder pedals). I'm trying to work out some way of mounting monitors to a desk (I live in rented accommodation, and want to try to avoid having to screw brackets into the wall) in a way that I can expand as the system grows, perhaps using something like these. I'm not sure how easy it would be to use that kind of thing for the overhead panel monitor(s)...It'd be great to hear how others have got around these problems. :)

Hi tin_can,As follows, here is the response of my friend Klaus:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hi tin_can,my name is Klaus and I am living in Nuremberg, Germany, very close to Alhard

Re 'Panel Store', someone found and bumped the thread.......http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtopic=63144&st=0

Good morning Noel, good to see you again........................................Dear Noel, I hope these answers and pictures make it more clear.......................................

Here is the picture with the correct size:RegardsAlhard

So is there a way to have a seamless view of Forward Left, Forward and Forward right? with 3 monitors and 3 different views? I have tried it but as mentioned before when you pitch up/down things don't deem to align. Is there a specific setting that could achieve this?thanks!

So is there a way to have a seamless view of Forward Left, Forward and Forward right? with 3 monitors and 3 different views? I have tried it but as mentioned before when you pitch up/down things don't deem to align. Is there a specific setting that could achieve this?thanks!

I'm afraid triple monitor optics will not maintain a straight horizon in Pitch up/down. Unless you bob your head up and down!It is easy to maintain a straight horizon in any Roll manoeuver including inverted- if the monitors are arranged in an arc so that each is square to the pilot's eyes.Unfortunately there is no vertically concave monitor that I am aware of. I SUSPECT (but haven't tried it) that a projector displaying the three views on one "monitor" and projecting onto a screen curved both horizontally AND vertically might do the trick. The attached pic shows triple views on one monitor. For a fairly detailed explanation of this see a recent thread: July 29/09 - "Mixing Video Cards" started by Bonanza in AVSIM forums> Hardware Discussion>Video Cards and Drivers.Alex ReidPMDG 747 triple views on one monitor. Aloft near CYVR. FS9- AMD XP2200/1.8GeForce FX5200 GPU. Here the horizon bends in Roll because the single screen is NOT concave. (Black areas are unused portions of my triple mon setup.)

gotcha, thanks for the info!

Why is there no simple solution to a Multiple Monitor FSX setup.I need help, to setup what I have, to prove to myself that any more money I plough in to my sim, I'm getting a good return.OS Vista x64 - No spanning of monitors!AMD 6000+ 4gb ram500g hd just for FSXGraphics GFX 8400 512 with Samsung 20" on DVI and 19" touch screen on VGA.Proposed:Left Front 19", Centre Samy 20", Right front 19" touch, 15" forefront for guages etc. So I will be adding a second pci express card to match my GFX 8400.I want the front to show front then possibly the my right monitor to show f-right and left f-left.I have looked evrywhere, and no wideview is not an option as I refuse to pay anymore money out until what I have works.Who can come to my aid, and accept the challenge?Many thanks for reading.

I say go for it! I like frnt view + side views way better than front span!! As long long as your pc can handle it, it zounds like a good setup

Why is there no simple solution to a Multiple Monitor FSX setup.I need help, to setup what I have, to prove to myself that any more money I plough in to my sim, I'm getting a good return.OS Vista x64 - No spanning of monitors!AMD 6000+ 4gb ram500g hd just for FSXGraphics GFX 8400 512 with Samsung 20" on DVI and 19" touch screen on VGA.Proposed:Left Front 19", Centre Samy 20", Right front 19" touch, 15" forefront for guages etc. So I will be adding a second pci express card to match my GFX 8400.I want the front to show front then possibly the my right monitor to show f-right and left f-left.I have looked evrywhere, and no wideview is not an option as I refuse to pay anymore money out until what I have works.Who can come to my aid, and accept the challenge?Many thanks for reading.