Can't they upload to Avsim just like anyone else? Or will Avsim refuse to put it in the library?As for the independence of the major flightsim sites: Have you read any payware reviews lately? 'nuff said.- Oyvind

Hi Chas,It seems that I lit the blue touch paper for some reason :), the point you state about pressure from MAAM was the reason I brought it up in the first place.Basically I could not give 2 hoots about the petty arguements that seem to be floating around, I would just like to download this package, I am going to leave my computer downloading tonight and see if I can get it by the morning, if not I will give in.Could anybody from AVSIM specify if this file would be ALLOWED to be put in the file library, I think this is a valid question and I understand any affiliation that AVSIM may have with MAAM, but I think that us lowly people who only have dial-up or slow ISDN connection should be able to download it from a good server that supports resuming.Lets hope this does not turn into some ugly flames from people.Dan.

Ah well, that's a completely different question Oyvind:)Anyway, if there's some threat based on some specific accusation of copyright theft, how long would it have taken to see the allegations and check them out? Minutes? Hours? Well the RCS package has been out several days. Plenty of time for the proof to have been supplied and the allegations verified or denied. Why haven't Avsim been on this, seeing as how they're usually so quick to catch this sort of thing? I seem to remember that start to finish the Carenado thing was uncovered, investigated, proven and the story printed in just a matter of days. This can't be much different? Is there an independent outsider who both sides could agree on to arbitrate? Perhaps a graphical specialist with no interest in either side and no commercial ties to any organistion? How about Lennart Arvidsson if it's a textures thing, or one of the DreamFleet team if it's gauges or panels?ChasW

Dan, Are you in the UK? I can burn a CD for you if you are, but postage elsewhere might get a little expensive!ChasW

"Why haven't Avsim been on this, seeing as how they're usually so quick to catch this sort of thing? I seem to remember that start to finish the Carenado thing was uncovered, investigated, proven and the story printed in just a matter of days. This can't be much different? "Who says we aren't? Rabble rousing here Chas?

"Could anybody from AVSIM specify if this file would be ALLOWED to be put in the file library, I think this is a valid question and I understand any affiliation that AVSIM may have with MAAM, but I think that us lowly people who only have dial-up or slow ISDN connection should be able to download it from a good server that supports resuming."Simple answer: the file is contested in both copyright and intellectual property. Until that contention is removed, as per our long standing policy, we will not post this file to the AVSIM library. As for the veracity of the policy, ask any author who has contacted us about a disputed file, and they will attest to both the degree to which we enforce that, and the fact that we either remove or do not allow contested files."Lets hope this does not turn into some ugly flames from people."I hope so too, because if it does, it will get removed in a heart beat.

Please be careful people, You could all end up in Roy's'Hall of Shame'.Jan

>Who says we aren't? Rabble rousing here Chas?Sorry, don't understand the expression Tom, but if it means what I think then I dont think I would describe Avsim staffers as `rabble`! Anyway, you still haven't said you are! But can you give us some clue as to how much longer this investigation might take? ChasW

I would like to see all these people stop acting like kids. Everyone that has purchased the MAAM version is defending it and are saying Roy is some a reincarnation of the devil, but the real reason is to protect their interest. They don't want to have the feeling that a freeware version is as good, or better than the payware one (yes the one they spend their lovely money on). Just grow up, and stop saying that the RCS version is total crap, when you KNOW that it is a VERY complete and quality package even compared to a payware aircraft. Accept the facts.

OyvindYes I do have IL2 which is a very well thought out and polished combat sim.I would love to see what those guys could do with a GA type sim.Considering a combat sim has to have good frame rates and fluidity they have added a lot of detail to their VCs and some clever illusions of movement to give the impression of accelerating decelerating climbing and descending.It is the level of thought placed into the IL2 cockpits which need to be placed into MSFS to get around the square monitor restrictions.We need to simulate periferal views.Peter

Hi,Interesting points raised here and fair to say some good points on both sides of the fences.I do not myself have the MAAM B-25 so can't make any comparisons.I like the RCS machine. The reflective textures are nice, the cockpit with the various views is top class. I don't use any VC's, not because of frame rates but simply because I don't like them. (Now that should product some interesting replies).I think that as a freeware aircraft it has to rate as one of the best. Try to think of other freeware packages that are as complete as this one. I have not found many myself.Rgds Ron

Rabble rousing = Stirring it up.I think a couple of more days should see the full story develop.

Yeah, this plane is THE best aircraft I've ever had on my HD. People can bash and cry about it, it still is (in my opinion) the best download someone could come up with. I don't care about VC's, they are ugly, ''squary'' as hell and the gauges update and details is very low compared to 2D. I simply hate people bashing freeware, stop thinking about YOURSELF ONLY, and think of those who don't have a credit card or who don't want to spend hundreds of american dollars (a lot more here in canada) on addons.It's like if some people would like to see every addons being made payware for FS, and sit on the computer spending all their money they work for to buy FS stuff. How great.

Hi folks,In all this, the original objective of finding a site which supports resumes (for unfortunate folks like Dan and me) seems to have been lost. So if anyone out there has come across the .exe posted on such a site, please share it with us. Surely that should not be suppresed by AVSIM?Regards,Aarmin

Hi,Well, a whole night of downloading AND nothing, I give up.Like I said before, I am really not that bothered about what is going on BEHIND THE SCENES, from people who should clearly know better, I mean we are adults after all, I sometimes wonder why I bother posting in these forums, a number of times I have just wanted a simple answer to a simple problem and it descends into a total mess, the LAGO Twotter springs to mind.The grass roots of it from my point of view is this, there is a seemingly nice freeware package availiable and I would like to try it out, I don't have the funds to buy the MAAM version or pay