Looking for realistic STOL mid-twin.

[red1 0]

Hi, I have plenty of add-on planes, but am missing one to fit the STOL midsize twin catagory. Something like the Twin Otter. I do a lot of island hopping in the carib area, esp TNCM, St. Barts, SABA, etc...What is the most realistic and simulated add-on that would fit?I'm looking for high quality VC, flight characteristics, modeled systems, etc.Oh and payware.

[Guest napamule]

Red1,Let's see...where doe we start...and how can we help you...not sure, as this is not a FS2004(FS9) 'problem'.I know! Go stick your head in (a) GOOGLE and see what happens. Yeah, that's the 'ticket'.Make sure you key in pertinent and appropriate key words like: 'STOL midsize twin catagory realistic and simulated payware addon with high quality VC flight characteristics modeled systems for FS2004'That might work. Find. Then you buy. Then you fly. Then you gripe about xyz. Then you come back and tell us which one 'did it' for you. Lots of luck.Chuck BNapamule(PS: Get the free Premier Aircraft Design model(s) and be happy. It doesn't get any better than this, payware or not. PERIOD. Use my head).

[red1 0]

That wasn't help full at all.. :( I didn't mention I had a problem...I'm just looking for suggestions. Yes I know about google, But I'm asking about first hand experience here compared to what I'm looking for. Please do not reply unless you're willing to usefully contribute.

[John_Cillis 2,406]

Red1,Let's see...where doe we start...and how can we help you...not sure, as this is not a FS2004(FS9) 'problem'.I know! Go stick your head in (a) GOOGLE and see what happens. Yeah, that's the 'ticket'.Make sure you key in pertinent and appropriate key words like: 'STOL midsize twin catagory realistic and simulated payware addon with high quality VC flight characteristics modeled systems for FS2004'That might work. Find. Then you buy. Then you fly. Then you gripe about xyz. Then you come back and tell us which one 'did it' for you. Lots of luck.Chuck BNapamule(PS: Get the free Premier Aircraft Design model(s) and be happy. It doesn't get any better than this, payware or not. PERIOD. Use my head).

No excuse for this type of post in the forum Chuck, people ask these types of questions all the time and someone like you turning the environment into a snide and nasty place from the anonymity, safety and comfort of your keyboard doesn't help. You let loose on the original post for no good reason at all. Capice? John

Hi, I have plenty of add-on planes, but am missing one to fit the STOL midsize twin catagory. Something like the Twin Otter. I do a lot of island hopping in the carib area, esp TNCM, St. Barts, SABA, etc...What is the most realistic and simulated add-on that would fit?I'm looking for high quality VC, flight characteristics, modeled systems, etc.Oh and payware.

Hi Red,You might want to look at Premier's Short's 330/360 series, Chuck's hint was OK even if is method wasn't. Regards,John

[red1 0]

Hi Red,You might want to look at Premier's Short's 330/360 series, Chuck's hint was OK even if is method wasn't. Regards,John

Thanks for the advice John. Checked out the site, some decent looking planes. I'll def try the otter they have. Anything payware along those lines as the VC in freeware, although very decent, doesn't give you that same 3D feeling in most paywares.

[John_Cillis 2,406]

Thanks for the advice John. Checked out the site, some decent looking planes. I'll def try the otter they have. Anything payware along those lines as the VC in freeware, although very decent, doesn't give you that same 3D feeling in most paywares.

It's probably bigger than you'd like, but Flight1's ATR has seen high praise here in the forums:http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=atr1

[gsand 105]

Hi, I have plenty of add-on planes, but am missing one to fit the STOL midsize twin catagory. Something like the Twin Otter. I do a lot of island hopping in the carib area, esp TNCM, St. Barts, SABA, etc...What is the most realistic and simulated add-on that would fit?I'm looking for high quality VC, flight characteristics, modeled systems, etc.Oh and payware.

Hi Red,As Chuck said you might try Premier Aircraft at:http://www.premaircraft.com/index.htmlThey've got a lot of Twin Otters as well as many other aircraft for both FS9 and FSX. I don't use FSX but I can say that the aircraft for FS9 are mostly very good. Most have panels and sounds and some have VC's.Hope this helps!

[red1 0]

It's probably bigger than you'd like, but Flight1's ATR has seen high praise here in the forums:http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=atr1

Got the ATR :( great bird! although probably a bit hard to bring it into St Barts or SABA :(

[greenland 0]

(PS: Get the free Premier Aircraft Design model(s) and be happy. It doesn't get any better than this, payware or not. PERIOD. Use my head).

I must say - As I know its freeware and please don't blame me (to much) :( - that I find Premier Aircraft pretty, but find some of their planes Flight Characteristics less than perfect - at least on my computer. I have been trying a lot to 'tame' the Twin Otter without my full satisfaction.What I mean is. Engines are reacting very slowly, I get pitch oscillations, unstable on landings etc.If anyone else has been manipulating with its FDE with good resultsI would apprieciate very much to hear about it.regardsHenrik

[rooster hancock 2003 38]

Hi HenrikHere is my FDE for the Premier Twotter which I have tweaked, although I am no expert. Its ok for me as its more stable, so you may like it or think its pooh. Give it a go anyway and let me know what you think.Best regards Malcolm (Rooster) Hancock[General]performance=Rate of Climb: 1200 fpm\nCeiling 21,000 feet\nEmpty Weight:7,415 lb\nMax T\/O wt. 12,500 lb\nPower: 2 x 652 SHP P&W PT6A-27\nStall: 74 kts Clean \/ 58 kts full flaps\nLength: 51 ft.9 in. (17.21 m)\nHeight: 19 ft. 6 in. (6.48 m)\nWingspan: 65 ft. 0 in. (21.65 m)\nProp ground clearance 4 ft. 6 in.\nSeat capacity 19 to 21 with 2 flight crewatc_type=DEHAVILLANDatc_model=DHC6[Views]eyepoint=8.540,-1.483,2.760[forcefeedback]stick_shaker_magnitude=5000 ; 0 - 10000stick_shaker_direction=0 ; 0 - 35999 degreesstick_shaker_period=111111 ; in microsecondsgear_bump_nose_magnitude=3000 ; 0 - 10000gear_bump_nose_direction=18000 ; 0 - 35999 degreesgear_bump_nose_duration=250000 ; in microsecondsgear_bump_left_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000gear_bump_left_direction=9000 ; 0 - 35999 degreesgear_bump_left_duration=250000 ; in microsecondsgear_bump_right_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000gear_bump_right_direction=27000 ; 0 - 35999 degreesgear_bump_right_duration=250000 ; in microsecondsground_bumps_magnitude1=1300 ; 0 - 10000ground_bumps_angle1=08900 ; 0 - 35999 degreesground_bumps_intercept1=3.0ground_bumps_slope1=0.20ground_bumps_magnitude2=200 ; 0 - 10000ground_bumps_angle2=09100 ; 0 - 35999 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2.0, 0.000 // Passengerstation_load.17=001.0, -6.2, 2.00, 0.000 // Passengerstation_load.18=001.0, -6.2, 0.50, 0.000 // Passengerstation_load.19=001.0, -9.6, -1.50, 0.000 // Passengerstation_load.20=001.0, -9.6, 0.00, 0.000 // Passengerstation_load.21=001.0, -9.6, 1.50, 0.000 // Passengerstation_load.22=100.0, -12.2, 0.00, 0.000 // Luggagestation_load.23=40.0, 15.00, 0.00, 0.000 // Luggageempty_weight_roll_MOI= 16789.000empty_weight_pitch_MOI= 24506.000empty_weight_yaw_MOI= 32848.000//empty_weight_roll_MOI= 110000.000//empty_weight_pitch_MOI= 150000.000//empty_weight_yaw_MOI= 147500.000empty_weight_coupled_MOI= 0.000max_gross_weight= 12500.000CG_forward_limit= 0.000CG_aft_limit= 1.000[folding_wings]wing_fold_system_type=4fold_rates=0.25,0.26[EFFECTS]wake=fx_wakewater=fx_spraydirt=fx_tchdrtconcrete=fx_sparkstouchdown=fx_tchdwn, 1[sMOKESYSTEM]smoke.0=3.500, 2.000, 9.30, fx_engsmoke[Radios]// Radio Type = availiable, standby frequency, has glide slopeAudio.1 = 1Com.1 = 1, 0Com.2 = 1, 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TankRightMain=-2.000,0.000,-2.200,190.000,1.000 // Aft Tankfuel_type=2.000number_of_tank_selectors=1electric_pump=0[autopilot]autopilot_available=1flight_director_available=0default_vertical_speed=1200.000000autothrottle_available=0autothrottle_arming_required=0autothrottle_takeoff_ga=0autothrottle_max_rpm=0.000000pitch_takeoff_ga=8.000000autoland_available=0use_no_default_bank=1use_no_default_pitch=1default_pitch_mode=0default_bank_mode=0max_pitch=10.000000max_pitch_acceleration=1.000000max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.000000max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.500000max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.000000max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.000000max_bank=25.000000max_bank_acceleration=1.800000max_bank_velocity=3.000000max_throttle_rate=0.100000nav_proportional_control=9.000000nav_integrator_control=0.250000nav_derivative_control=0.000000nav_integrator_boundary=2.500000nav_derivative_boundary=0.000000gs_proportional_control=9.520000gs_integrator_control=0.260000gs_derivative_control=0.000000gs_integrator_boundary=0.700000gs_derivative_boundary=0.000000yaw_damper_gain=0.000000[pitot_static]vertical_speed_time_constant=10[contact_points]//Classes...What 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0.000,0.333436,2.500000,0.744484,0.000,0.000,3.000,0.000,0.000point.3=2.000,0.000,-32.500,5.200,2360.907127,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,5.000,0.000,0.000point.4=2.000,0.000,32.500,5.200,2360.907127,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,6.000,0.000,0.000point.5=2.000,-32.500,0.000,13.000,2360.907127,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,9.000,0.000,0.000point.6=2.000,19.300,-0.000,-0.300,1574.803150,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,4.000,0.000,0.000static_pitch=0.000static_cg_height=5.000[airplane_geometry]wing_area= 312.000wing_span= 65.000wing_root_chord= 6.167wing_dihedral= 2.5wing_incidence= 0.000wing_twist= -1.500oswald_efficiency_factor= 0.325wing_winglets_flag= 0wing_sweep= 0.000wing_pos_apex_lon= 1.800wing_pos_apex_vert= 3.500htail_area= 100.000htail_span= 20.800htail_pos_lon= -23.600htail_pos_vert= 4.200htail_incidence= 0.000htail_sweep= 0.000vtail_area= 48.000vtail_span= 9.850vtail_sweep= 20.000vtail_pos_lon= 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[greenland 0]

Hi MalcolmI will definately give this configuration a try when I go home. I am not at my home PC right now.I will post a comment tomorrow. :( RegardsHenrik

[Guest FengZ]

check out the following; All twins, and with great STOL abilities:Aeroworx Super King Air 200 (my favorite FS9 plane)MAAM DC-3FSD Cessna 337FSD Cessna O2AHawker Siddeley 780 (Freeware, but definitely payware quality)-feng