That is done with memory that can and will run tRD 6 (AKA Common Performance Level or Transaction Booster) and will also run 1T CMD (AKA Command Rate) and a motherboard that will allow CPU STRAP 333 or 400 with a minimum FSB of 400

Thanks Nick, I will get that Mushkin memory you pointed out. How do you know if it will run tRD 6 and 1T CMD short of trying it? I don't see those items listed in the specifications. Do you need to ask the manufacturer for them?

A Q6600 would need to run 3.6GHz on the right HSF to do what I posted correctly

I'm hoping to get that overclock with this Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P motherboard and a Thermalright Ultra 120 extreme CPU cooler.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128369

A Q6600 is really old news so upgrading that proc with the above memory and settings would be a boost for you.. A Q9650 would go a long way with that

Not nearly as old and slow as the P4 I'm running FSX on now. :( I bought this Q6600 a year ago but haven't had the time to build a sysem with it until now. I'll build an i7 after the prices of the 950s come down.Ted

1. As long as that motherboard is stable and the BIOS settings are correct, and, DRAM Voltage is correctl (1.9 to 1.95v) the memory I posted will do exactly what I posted above7-7-6-18 1T @ tRD6You can set tRD in the BIOS or by using MEMSET as I posted above. 1T (AKA 1N) must be set in the BIOS. Memory Timing can be set manually in the BIOS. The setting Common Performance Level in the BIOS will drive tRD value. 06 = PL 6. With some boards it is better to allow Memset to control that during Windows boot. Memset has a SAVE feature that allows it to control changes during Windows bootNone the less, its up to YOU to correctly test for stability using the right software in Windows and adjusting accordingly. 2. The motherboard you posted should work but those cheaper 45 chipsets are usually unstable above 400MHz FSB and need northbridge voltage to get trimmed above 400. If you keep it at 400FSB you should be finegood luck :(

sesquashtoo: some people are so full of ####, don't even bother.

good luck :(

Thanks for the guidance Nick.I kind of hijacked this thread, so getting back to the original topic: To determine how much effect faster DDR3 memory has on FSX coldn't one just take a machine that is running 1600 mhz memory speeds or higher, reset the bios so the memory is at say 1066 mhz with representative timings, and see how FSX flys? Would this not be the best test rather than changing out dimms?Ted

Thanks for the guidance Nick.I kind of hijacked this thread, so getting back to the original topic: To determine how much effect faster DDR3 memory has on FSX coldn't one just take a machine that is running 1600 mhz memory speeds or higher, reset the bios so the memory is at say 1066 mhz with representative timings, and see how FSX flys? Would this not be the best test rather than changing out dimms?Ted

I did this 1.5 years agoOn the old board here about a year or so ago I provide empirical proof in result to FSX of increases in memory speed moving from a DDR3 900 to DDR3 1440 with all other factors remaining equal (FSB/STRAP/CPU SPEED). With FSX that bandwidth increase and lower timing will in fact provide a better result

I would probably pay more attention to those +3% to +5% TRUE average increases in benchmark frame rates in conjunction with the lower timing, lower latency memory products

Hi Nick,This comes down to knowing how to use the hardware you have purchased, and knowing how to set up the application with respect to that hardware.. Mitch.. do you remember what happened after you followed my directions for setting up the OS and defragging correctly? This is the same!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I CERTAINLY do. Following your explicit advice made FSX usable/enjoyable on my P4 3.4Ghz. Absolutely! ......and much appreciated, was your input!Nick....I saw your CAS spec's with Mushkin, and went to Newegg to scope it out. Not only is it SUSPENDED, but then when having gone to Mushkin itself, it stated that this kit was discontinued/not available. There was this, in place of it: http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=745Please take a look, and see if this meets your critique and spec's. We're not talking certainly, about a lot of money here, to upgrade from the 1066's that are coming. I earn my money as does everybody else, and just hate to waste the effort, lol. If you are (and of which you ADAMANTLY ARE) saying that I will absolutely see visual and user-appreciated benefit from going with DDR3-1600...then I will 'open the wallet'. I don't work in the field, and can only rely on those that do...whether via hardware sites and their labs....or other enthusiasts that also during the 40 hour week...has hand's on knowledge, of which you do. This progressing of this thread was never a challenge to your knowledge, but putting up a Devil's Advocate reference to promote dialog, of which great dialog it did! I have again reaped knowledge that will, as you say: MAKE THE RIGHT and INFORMED, best decision.OK...waiting on ya....and ready to open the wallet.....again.....lol.Mitch

Hey MitchI caught wind of Muskin working on replacing a bad shipment of their 6-6-5 product a few days ago and will put them back out once the replacements arriveIt will will work FINE and is certainly in SPEC close enough to the 6-6-5 producthttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226050Now.. these are the same sticks but with better heatsinks for those who wish to push a bit higher than 1600http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226052So either one will doGood Luck! :(EDIT: One other thing Mitch.. you DO NEED to set those up MANUALLY in the BIOS correctly. The Default BIOS settings wont run them correctly

Hey MitchI caught wind of Muskin working on replacing a bad shipment of their 6-6-5 product a few days ago and will put them back out once the replacements arriveIt will will work FINE and is certainly in SPEC close enough to the 6-6-5 producthttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226050Now.. these are the same sticks but with better heatsinks for those who wish to push a bit higher than 1600http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820226052So either one will doGood Luck! :(------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ok...the vault is creaking open once more, lolNick...should I wait (no hurry...it will happen) for the new shipment, or is that second reference with the better heatsinks JUST as good? Your move....then my action, lol. Thanks.EDIT: One other thing Mitch.. you DO NEED to set those up MANUALLY in the BIOS correctly. The Default BIOS settings wont run them correctly

Noted! If this 'memory-virgin' has any issues...I know whom to come back to, for the old advice. :) I know where you hang out.... :)))))

Noted! If this 'memory-virgin' has any issues...I know whom to come back to, for the old advice. :) I know where you hang out.... :)))))

If I am not available right away, please get in touch with Bob Scott who posted earlier in this thread. http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showuser=102198He is in fact certified and more than qualified in electronic technology with computers and the high-end components,.. and can assist you very quickly in setting up right, default or in a clock. Make sure he has links to your final system component choices so he may assess the situation correctly.

If I am not available right away, please get in touch with Bob Scott who posted earlier in this thread. http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showuser=102198He is in fact certified and more than qualified in electronic technology with computers and the high-end components,.. and can assist you very quickly in setting up right, default or in a clock. Make sure he has links to your final system component choices so he may assess the situation correctly.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Noted, with thanks!Just one final question:...should I wait (no hurry...it will happen) for the new shipment, or is that second reference with the better heatsinks JUST as good? Your move....then my action, lol. Thanks.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Noted, with thanks!Just one final question:...should I wait (no hurry...it will happen) for the new shipment, or is that second reference with the better heatsinks JUST as good? Your move....then my action, lol. Thanks.

I cant estimate when they will get those back in. Their first run of those sticks were the cherry chips and the second run had problems in QC from what I understand. Usually when they pull the availability from the website it means they are gun-shy about the shipment and want to make sure what they get in tests good to their specs before committing to distribution.Given the fact the replacement suggestions are CAS 6 I don

I cant estimate when they will get those back in. Their first run of those sticks was the cherry chips and the second run had problems in QC from what I understand. Usually when they pull the availability from the website it means they are gun-shy about the shipment and want to make sure what they get in tests good before committing to distribution.Given the fact they are CAS 6 I don

Nick, I know it's been suggested before, and you even have a graphic for it, but you really need to write a book that covers the proper way to match computer components, and to set your computer up to run at its' best. I know you have posts on a number of forums that cover this as answers to various questions.It would be great to have some of that knowledge in a comprehensive manual. Look at it this way. you could make a little extra beer money, and you wouldn't have to answer so many questions!

CAS 8 @ DDR3 2100 is EQUAL to CAS 6 DDR3 1600 in memory latency. There is something to be said for bandwidth too however it is the the memory timing, or latency, which drives the advantage to FSX in the hardware. Phil Taylor said quite specifically that one of the major issues with the FSX software is its poorly thought out design with respect to memory and CPU optimizing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_disambiguation The application litterally attacks the physical memory to CPU cache with a scrambled mess those two must unscramble.. the faster the communication path betweem the memory and the CPU cache, and, the larger and more advanced that CPU cache, the better the FSX result Intels Smart Memory Access and Smart Cache design are two very specific reasons WHY the Core2/Quad far exceeded AMD in FSX performance when they were released back in 2006/07. http://www.intel.com/technology/product/demos/cache/demo.htm. i7 has taken that to the next level.

It's nice you know all these fancy words but you're really trying too hard to prove you have an A+ certification.

It's nice you know all these fancy words but you're really trying too hard to prove you have an A+ certification.

Oh goodness, you must be rightWhen I retired my position involved being a director in the area of research and development with respect to guidance and targeting systems for silly A+ computer projects like thishttp://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/index.htmlthey need to do much better scanning of background at those silly corporations, especially when DoD Credentials are involved :( oh well.. too late now. I have my retirement benefits so I must have really dazzled them with cool 10lb words for years.Should you have any further comments, you may direct them to someone who cares. :(