Valmet Vinka why was it removed?

[LAdamson 240]

>So, there's only one person that can program spins???? and>accurate flight dynamics????? Judging by the names on that>airplane, I seriously doubt there was any copying going on>anywhere.I would assume that many can program accurate flight dynamics and spins -- given the time. But the files in question, are near duplicates. Not all, but some. And now it's a matter of who did what first, and what was freely available before that. L.Adamson

[Guest SlimDady]

So I guess this explains why some people say it feels like the sf 260

[Guest]

>Yes, and given that it is a disputed file, that's too bad.What I'm reading here, hopefully you Tom are not trying to suggest that we are somehow supporting "pirated" software or something like that, what is not the case here. We have seen all the facts in relation to this issue and currently we see no reason to remove this particular package from our files section.Sami PuroFS Nordichttp://www.fsnordic.net/

[Guest]

So the file was removed because of similarities in the air file to the Real air simulations SIAI-Marchetti? Ok both files are capable of spinning, but spinning happens very differently in both aircraft, and the flight dynamics are very much different anyway. In my opinion the Vinka and the SF-260 have very little in similar when it comes to the flight dynamics.I am not an expert in making flight dynamics, but if they are very much the same in code, it doesn't immediately mean it has been copied.I was partially in the Vinka project myself, and i have been daily writing in the same forum as Kari (the creator of the flight dynamics) for something like 2 years, and i could barely think he would endanger the Vinka project by copying anything copyrighted, especially with his reputation as an aircraft designer, and the fact being there are other people in the project also.Somehow, to me this seems like Real Air Simulations not wanting to lose customers on a competing model. I am not accusing anyone, and i am not even sure it is the SIAI marchetti we are talking about. That's just what it seems like to me.

[Guest]

Forbidden fruit is the tastiest.This thread peaked my curiousity so off to FsNordic I went.:)Man what a spiffy piece of freeware this is.I hope they get it sorted out quick.This package deserves it.:)Oh by the way Jentwing, Lago could take some serious lessons in value from this group.

[Guest Bigshot]

I did exactly the same thing. Read this this morning and off to FSNordic I went with downloading in mind. She's on my harddrive now.

[boshar 6]

I must admit I downloaded the file from FsNordic just now. The news that the problem lies with the sf 260 airfile make me feel a little less quilty as I bought that one already.Will have a look at the airfiles but as a non specialist there is probably little to see.I hope this gets sorted out and I give no support to stealing otherman's work (certainly not Rob Youngs I'm a big fan of his airfiles ever since the v88's in Fly!) but I do wonder. If I was a fresh still learning all the tricks .air file designer I would look at all the work the pro's did to see how it is done. Now my end product would not be a 1 to 1 copy but it will stil look somewhat the same. Lets face it if your programming C class makes a 'Hello World' program it wil end up looking pretty much the same even if you don't peek at your neigbours work.

[boshar 6]

>I did exactly the same thing. Read this this morning and off>to FSNordic I went with downloading in mind. She's on my>harddrive now.Small update FSNordic just took the file down.

[Guest]

>Small update FSNordic just took the file down.Yes, on request of the original authors. Hopefully the problems with the dynamics can be solved to make all parties happy and this wonderful aircraft can be back in the download lists.Sami PuroFS Nordichttp://www.fsnordic.net/

[Tom Allensworth 1,532]

Not at all Sami. But it is and has been disputed most of today, as you know. Anyway, your post has been overcome by events, as I see you posted below.

[Guest SoarPics]

Captain Trips wrote, "Why remove it from your hard-drive?"Because I wish to. I've had my intellectual property stolen in the past, and it's no fun. It is no different than someone taking food from my baby's mouth. And that really ####### me off!!jwenting wrote, "I can hardly believe that Mikko would steal someone elses work... He's been on the receiving end too often for that".I totally agree. The folks behind the Vinka are all well respected and very gifted. They don't have to steal anything from anybody.Hopefully this will be resolved soon. And anybody who learns of such a resolution (including Avsim), please post here of such. This airplane is simply too brilliant to pass up.

[ejoiner 21]

Methinks this one flies like the SF.260...Eric

[LAdamson 240]

>Methinks this one flies like the SF.260...>Takeoff roll is longer, & spin entry is different. More difficult to spin than the SF260, but then I don't know the actual spin charateristics of the Vinka ---- either. Maybe the real one doesn't spin as easily...L.Adamson

[Guest SlimDady]

Its very similar i guess.But I tried a spin.. it does not react near the same as the SF 260

[Guest Steve Small]

Sami,The files involved were not simply related to the flight model.Unique, original Copyrighted textures (specifically,light mapping methods) developed by one of FSD's designers were incorporated in that Vinka archive. This work was used and included in the released Vinka project files. We are advised by the author that the disguised, sanitised and modified original work was used "in error" during the Vinka development. These files were not simply spare textures accidentally included in the archive : they were functionally active files. Whilst I'm pleased it wasn't my flight model developments that were borrowed or used as a basis for duplication, in terms of the processes involved this is pretty much identical of experiences with Carenado - which seasoned readers will recall. There's hardly an occasion that we at FSD have NOT helped someone when asked. It's when liberties get taken with our work that our "buttons" get pushed......Steve SmallCanberra, Australiahttp://www.fsd-international.com/team/Steve_signature.gif