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A Couple of Bugs I Have Heard Of - First Bugs

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From good authority (a.k.a.Betaman) I am informed that:1. In our fantasy Gatesland world, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge is missing, invisible or under water.2. The red line that enables spot plane view from different positions is not available even though the help file still instructs to use it.Come next month I will see for myself.

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John, he has a good point there, look what M$ did to P.E.I, it was underwater, untill a fellow made a fix, so if The Bay Bridge is underwater, its a bug.

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I agree with you John, nothing but a troll.

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If the honest reporting of Bugs in FS 9 is trolling, I guess I am a troll. But I do get a whole month jump to try out FS9 on Betaman's PC. OK, I will keep the bug reports to myself if they are not appreciated. By the way, I see FS9 as only a modest upgrade to FS 2002. OK, some better weather, better ATC, more detailed scenery. But, so what? The frame rates are the same. The same old tired lessons. A few new old time aircraft, DC3, Ryan, Wilbur's No. 1. God, I flew at least one of those beasts. I must be an old troll.I will get in the car and drive over to Betaman's house now for the transparent clouds if nothing else. Goodbye.Old Troll and very old USN carrier piloto.

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Hi Pocamadre,Just curious about this statement...I see FS9 as only a modest upgrade to FS 2002. OK, some better weather, better ATC, more detailed scenery. But, so what? The frame rates are the same. The same old tired lessons. A few new old time aircraftWhat then, would be a "significant" upgrade to FS2002 in your opinion? I think the key word from your post above is I. See, I see better weather, better ATC, more detailed scenery, V-cockpits where you can work the gauges a significant upgrade. If it costs me a few extra frames here and there, oh well - I'll cope and bring some other slider down a bit to make up for it. Do you honestly expect that the MAJOR improvements in the weather engine and scenery wouldn't cause a frame rate loss? At the end of the day, it's not the d-a-m-n-e-d FPS counter that matters, it's how smooth the thing flies.To each his own!!Mikehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/madamo/boeingsig.jpg

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Yep--trolling.... Your first post here, and knocking a sim that's not even in release yet. I'm glad you know "betaman". Must make you very speshul.... I bet no one else in this forum is as lucky as you are (since you've seen the beta, that is).... I am sorry we will miss your reports having offended you so--guess I have to wait a whole month. What to do? :)

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Ummm, I don't want to sound stupid (I know, too late) but what is trolling?

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Its someone who:1. Makes a negative, provocative first post.2. Makes repeated pointless, negative, and provocative posts.3. Makes posts intentionally to keep an existing troll-post on top.4. Makes personal-attack posts5. Makes negative posts about something they don't know much about.6. Makes a negative post in a thread of positives, just to have the satisfaction of breeding negativity.In actuallity its not the troll's action that is most dissapointing, its the "troll-ish" behavior they often seem to evoke in otherwise upstanding members of the community.This post isn't a reflection on the current thread, I was just trying to answer your question.

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The reason they call a version of a program "Beta" and the reason they don't want people who have it discussing it is that it is not a complete verison. In the case of FS2004, the red line you use to adjust your position from the spot view is there, its just not in the Beta version (I have the Gold version).As far as the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, I don't have any idea where that is (I live on the west coast). I did check my Rand-McNally maps, but there is no Chesapeake Bay Bridge shown. There is a William P. Lane Jr Memorial Bridge and a Chesapeake Bay Tunnel listed, but no bridge.Bear!

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Jordan,Here all along I thought that a troll was a short person that lived under a bridge...! :-lolBear!

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Unless the bridge is under water, then he'd be called a sea-troll. Or maybe a wet-troll. Does anybody know what resolution the real world is?? I would say it's at least 1600x1200x32. Unless you happen to live under a bridge that's underwater, then I suppose it'd be closer to 640x480x32. Does anyone else refer to "chicken" as "land carp"??There, now this is a perfect example of what a "troll" is!! Now that that's clear, what's the real deal with FS2k4?

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Bear,It's the Lane Memorial, about four miles due east of Annapolis.John

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Also, a troll is someone who posts to offend and get everybody upset. This post is definetly NOT a troll. He is just trying to give us information-hungry-pre-fs2004'ers some inside information. I for one appreciate this.

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he is a troll in that he posts blatant lies (or at least unsubstantiated claims) about a product he can't have seen...

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"By the way, I see FS9 as only a modest upgrade to FS 2002. OK, some better weather, better ATC, more detailed scenery. But, so what? The frame rates are the same."I am just wondering how a programer adds "better weather, better atc, more detailed scenery"-but keeps "the frame rates the same". Every feature no matter how little you add to a program takes more computing cycles.Aren't you talking about a magician? If what you say is true-then microsoft has pulled off an incredible feat! Do you really expect MS to add a bunch of features and at the same time increase the performance? That would go past even being a magician....http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/Geofdog2.jpg

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The Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel runs from Norfolk, VA to the Eastern Shore of VA. It is a combination of 3 bridges and 2 tunnels, so yes, part of it will be underwater. It was builit in order to allow an uninterrupted flow of motor vehicle traffic from the mainland to the Eastern shore, while allowing commercial ship traffic to pass over the tunnels on their way from the Atlantic to ports in Baltimore and other places up north. I think its something like 23 miles long. Sucks to drive across. Its either that or drive all the way up into Maryland and come down the Eastern Shore from the north. For me, to get to Accomack on the Eastern Shore, its about a 4 hour drive by the bridge-tunnel, but only a 20 minute flight by small single engine planes. Pretty bad.

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"Also, a troll is someone who posts to offend and get everybody upset. This post is definetly NOT a troll. He is just trying to give us information-hungry-pre-fs2004'ers some inside information. I for one appreciate this."This post did fit the classic "troll" form. First, even if the information were true, there's no way someone could react to it other than in a negative fashion. What was the author's intent--to educate, or to maybe cause a bashfest of Microsoft? Considering the author wanted readers to take it on "faith", and considering his use of the phrase "Gatesland", I think he came in with a trollish agenda.Had he balanced his post with a positive, I wouldn't have taken it that way. But even the slightest hint of something good, he had to qualify with something bad.And, the target of the issue--scenery glitches--it is almost certain that there will be many. Microsoft models the entire globe. Some of that is pulled from 3rd party data--they certainly don't obtain it from their own sat. network. It's somewhat arrogant to cite missing bridges in Maryland, when some user who is based in Vienna, Santiago or Athens has some landmark misplaced or not in the sim altogether. It's going ro happen, and third party developers will fix it.That's why I wrote a landclass tool, as I realized early on, after one of my original home metro areas (Carson Valley in NV) was dropped from FS2000 and FS2002, that 100 pct. accuracy just won't be achieved in any sim.This thread got posted for one reason--a stranger to the forum, wanting to stir up some ill will towards a product not yet released. If that isn't trolling, I don't know what is.-John

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Attention Beta testers, owners of the GOLD release.Today, I will pay list price PLUS $20 and also pay shipping for your GOLD release of FS2004. Offer limited to USA -- Shipping, Customs problems not needed.Only interested in the REAL thing. Not interested in a copy!I will get that and more enjoyment for a month. ;-)RegardsBobSWe r rsam@mtco.com

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I might understand this if I think about it. My problem is that I have very little comunicative skills, because I am autistic. I could have made the original post myself and would feel very bad if people would start calling me a troll, therefore I try to defend people rather then turning against them. I just see this post as informative. Now I'm ever more afraid that if I speak, it will one day be my turn to get flamed ;(

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Why? I want the GOLD version that went into full production. I think the beta testers were sent the production release version. That just don't have to wait 40 days for the pipeline to be filled and the product released to the general public?Regards,BobS

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