Ok. I admit I made a mistake. So lets correct it "Very well then, Ron Hamilton and Ed Wilson who are connected with Eaglesoft suggest that those of us who use User Names only violate AVSIM's Terms of Use and want to hide who are and tend to have a hidden agenda.Your suspicions are baseless because I am not, and never have been a commercial developer, nor had any connection with one. "Perhaps Ed Wilson would now care to withdraw his unsubstatiated allegation?

Nope. I'm pretty certain you're a developer. I'm also pretty certain you're doing what you're best at... taking a thread off topic. :(I present 'mgh' as the pinnacle of arrogant disdain and a prime example of exactly the behavior I talk about.. Please peruse the forums, particularly threads about new releases. Please review his posts in those threads and his attitude towards developers. He will stir the pot, repeatedly... working it around and around in a predictable attempt to make himself the topic. Just like he's done in this thread.When discussing that I think all should be required to display their name in the forums... he then assigned himself as the target. Despite the fact I was making a generalized opinion that had no individual as the target.In most forums on the internet... 'mgh' would be a troll. Simple as that.He's an excellent example of behavior that a non-commercial member gets away with, for which a commercial member would be threatened with instant lifetime ban.

Why? Is it members who are turning you off, or the rules here at AVSIM. If it's members, that's one thing

It is only certain members, truth be told, who seem to feel that anything I post -even when it's simply general information, or a reply to someone's technical question- gives them license to either twist my words to suit their twisted purposes, or simply use it as an opportunity to sneak in something intended to bash or bad-mouth ESDG in some fashion.This atmosphere makes me very reticent to participate, as I deplore confrontation in any form. I figure that if I don't provide a handy target, I won't have to be concerned with the possibility of being ambushed...

It is only certain members, truth be told, who seem to feel that anything I post -even when it's simply general information, or a reply to someone's technical question- gives them license to either twist my words to suit their twisted purposes, or simply use it as an opportunity to sneak in something intended to bash or bad-mouth ESDG in some fashion.This atmosphere makes me very reticent to participate, as I deplore confrontation in any form. I figure that if I don't provide a handy target, I won't have to be concerned with the possibility of being ambushed...

Fair enough, and I think you make a good point. The only response I have right now is the same thing I told Ron, which goes for all members. Start sending the PMs and we will do everything we possibly can to weed out the very few who spoil civility for the masses.

Nope. I'm pretty certain you're a developer. I'm also pretty certain you're doing what you're best at... taking a thread off topic. :( I present 'mgh' as the pinnacle of arrogant disdain and a prime example of exactly the behavior I talk about.. Please peruse the forums, particularly threads about new releases. Please review his posts in those threads and his attitude towards developers. He will stir the pot, repeatedly... working it around and around in a predictable attempt to make himself the topic. Just like he's done in this thread.When discussing that I think all should be required to display their name in the forums... he then assigned himself as the target. Despite the fact I was making a generalized opinion that had no individual as the target.In most forums on the internet... 'mgh' would be a troll. Simple as that.He's an excellent example of behavior that a non-commercial member gets away with, for which a commercial member would be threatened with instant lifetime ban.

The topic of this thead is I am starting to really dislike the commercial members.Is it any wonder when they make false and unsubstatiated allegations?I keep repeating that I have never been involved in any way with a developer yet a Commercial Member continues to allege that I am a developer and is effectively calling me a liar.

The topic of this thead is I am starting to really dislike the commercial members.Is it any wonder when they make false and unsubstatiated allegations?I keep repeating that I have never been involved in any way with a developer yet a Commercial Member continues to allege that I am a developer and is effectively calling me a liar.

No one named you except yourself. Do you really need so much attention as to take a thread OT.Or could you be purposely taking it OT for sport?

a fresh beer or a walk with the dog or the mother in law...?

I'm going for a beer in a green bottle lol If I could buy you all to get one lolCheers,Andr

The mgh vs Ed/Ron debate can go ahead and end now. We'll figure this one out in a little more private setting.

A few years ago a thread such as this titled thread or some other recent threads would not have appeared at ANY major FS site. A sad time indeed. Times are a changn' and it may not be long until some of you won't have anything to be complaining about, because there won't be any targets left to shoot down.

A few years ago a thread such as this titled thread or some other recent threads would not have appeared at ANY major FS site. A sad time indeed. Times are a changn' and it may not be long until some of you won't have anything to be complaining about, because there won't be any targets left to shoot down.

Jim, as a matter of fact these types of threads do not occur at any other Major FS site.I cannot remember ever seeing such rancour against all commercial devs at other sites so this is puzzling to say the least. :(

And also what is odd is that the same shooters here also visit and try to participate at other FS sites and do so without such anger and frustration.

The mgh vs Ed/Ron debate can go ahead and end now. We'll figure this one out in a little more private setting.

OK. Where?

Jim, as a matter of fact these types of threads do not occur at any other Major FS site.I cannot remember ever seeing such rancour against all commercial devs at other sites so this is puzzling to say the least. :(

Not really puzzling-because the other sites have less membership. When you get the numbers we have here it is logical that there will also be a larger number of bottom feeders.

OK. Where?

I don't really care-but not here..

I don't really care-but not here..

Fine, I understand the position perfectly.

Not really puzzling-because the other sites have less membership. When you get the numbers we have here it is logical that there will also be a larger number of bottom feeders.I don't really care-but not here..

Understood Geof. I guess we'll just keep pushing the alert button until they get the picture that such behaviour is prohibited. :(

But it's the same people Geofa. The OP participates at least at one other major FS site and has never posted such _______________. The same for mr. off topic. So why only here and not at these other sites?