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I have had FS2004 for years. I defrag regularly and turn off my antivirus before starting the sim. If I recall, it used to take 5 minutes or less to execute FS9.exe until I got the create a flight screen. It now takes 10 minutes or so for me to be able to create a flight.I have tons of addon aircraft and scenery (including photorealistic). I don't see why this should matter as none are chosen until I create a flight. I even disabled much of the scenery but it still takes that blasted 10 minutes or so to load.I'm running a P4 3.4Gig processor with 2Gig memory on an ASUS P4C800 motherboard.s I don't overclock anything.Can anyone help as to why I might be getting such a long wait for FS9 to execute? It's a pain whenever I have to restart the sim.gwillmot

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How much AI do you have?Try moving all excess user aircraft out of the aircraft folder.Just copy in what you plan on flying today.Hope this helps.regards,Joe

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Well I can say I have around 200 + repaints AI craft, along with many sceneries and user planes, and my FS takes about 30 seconds to get to 'create a flight'. I'd say it's more a problem with your computer then anything else.

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Well I can say I have around 200 + repaints AI craft, along with many sceneries and user planes, and my FS takes about 30 seconds to get to 'create a flight'. I'd say it's more a problem with your computer then anything else.
I don't think you understand, as flightsim (any version) on any of my computers in the past takes 30 seconds to boot.I have set up FS2004 to bypass the "welcome" screen and open directly to "Create a Flight" menu ( I always have).When I double click on FS9.exe, it takes about 10 minutes until I see that screen.gwillmot

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Well I can say I have around 200 + repaints AI craft, along with many sceneries and user planes, and my FS takes about 30 seconds to get to 'create a flight'. I'd say it's more a problem with your computer then anything else.
+1 Mine maybe takes about 45 seconds but no more than a minute. According to FSINN when I load it, 1461 aircraft.

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+1 Mine maybe takes about 45 seconds but no more than a minute. According to FSINN when I load it, 1461 aircraft.
A minute to get to "Create a Flight" from where?gwillmot

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A minute to get to "Create a Flight" from where?gwillmot
I have a fast machine with plenty of RAM and I also have had the long load time occasionally pop up.It seems to be related to the photoscenery I have loaded for the Wash DC area. It takes forever to load the first time I go to Reagan RWY1...but after that it is fine.

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I have a fast machine with plenty of RAM and I also have had the long load time occasionally pop up.It seems to be related to the photoscenery I have loaded for the Wash DC area. It takes forever to load the first time I go to Reagan RWY1...but after that it is fine.
Again, I'm talking about the time it takes to double-click on "FS9.exe" until you are able to CREATE a flight.....NOT how long it takes to load a flight/aircraft/location once a flight is selected. Photoscenery always takes longer to load once it is selected in an area of flight.gwillmot

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A minute to get to "Create a Flight" from where?gwillmot
For me, from the time I click the fs9.exe. I'm not really sure why yours is taking so long besides the dated system.

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For me, from the time I click the fs9.exe. I'm not really sure why yours is taking so long besides the dated system.
Exactly. A little longer load the flight but again no where near that long. And Photo scenery is a big killer. I actually don't use the photo scenery in my Mallorca just for that reason.

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I understand your problem. Not sure of the answer.I would get started and then go to the scenery library and turn OFF all the add ons.Reboot and time it. to create screen. Something is obviously interefering or taking a loooong time to load. Depending on what happens I'd start turning on the add ons a few at a time until I found it.DAve

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I have had FS2004 for years. I defrag regularly and turn off my antivirus before starting the sim. If I recall, it used to take 5 minutes or less to execute FS9.exe until I got the create a flight screen. It now takes 10 minutes or so for me to be able to create a flight.I have tons of addon aircraft and scenery (including photorealistic). I don't see why this should matter as none are chosen until I create a flight. I even disabled much of the scenery but it still takes that blasted 10 minutes or so to load.I'm running a P4 3.4Gig processor with 2Gig memory on an ASUS P4C800 motherboard.s I don't overclock anything.Can anyone help as to why I might be getting such a long wait for FS9 to execute? It's a pain whenever I have to restart the sim.gwillmot
I believe you will find that FS2004 actually "checks" almost everything during the initial boot sequence. You say you have a great deal of addon aircraft and scenery - that would explain it.As a test, disable all the addon scenery you have and temporarily remove all except the default aircraft and see what your initial load time is. NOTE: If you have changed the default flight to some other aircraft, be sure you do not remove that aircraft as FS2004 will balk when starting if that aircraft cannot be found.

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I believe you will find that FS2004 actually "checks" almost everything during the initial boot sequence. You say you have a great deal of addon aircraft and scenery - that would explain it.As a test, disable all the addon scenery you have and temporarily remove all except the default aircraft and see what yout initial load time is. NOTE: If you have changed the default flight to some other aircraft, be sure you do not remove that aircraft as FS2004 will balk when starting if that aircraft cannot be found.
Thanks Opa......I'll give it a try in the morning. Evidently I've got a "problem" that few others have. I've gotten several more gray hairs just waiting to load FS2004. Sometimes longer than actually flying!gwillmot

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I have had FS2004 for years. I defrag regularly and turn off my antivirus before starting the sim. If I recall, it used to take 5 minutes or less to execute FS9.exe until I got the create a flight screen. It now takes 10 minutes or so for me to be able to create a flight.I have tons of addon aircraft and scenery (including photorealistic). I don't see why this should matter as none are chosen until I create a flight. I even disabled much of the scenery but it still takes that blasted 10 minutes or so to load.I'm running a P4 3.4Gig processor with 2Gig memory on an ASUS P4C800 motherboard.s I don't overclock anything.Can anyone help as to why I might be getting such a long wait for FS9 to execute? It's a pain whenever I have to restart the sim.gwillmot
You might want to think about moving your files to a newer and faster hard drive. My drive was doing this progressively worse over time and finally crashed. It cost me $500 to restore everything. I usually switch out my drives every 2-3 years as a hard drive has a heavier workload running Flight Simulator than would be the case with a normal data drive (one of the reasons we all say keep FS on a separate drive than your OS). If your drive is having a harder time than before getting FS up and running this may be a sign of a failing drive. If you've had the drive for 3 years or more I'd highly recommend transferring your files to a new drive (GHOSTING). If you 'Ghost' the data or have someone do this job for you there's no reinstalling of anything. All files copy over in the exact state they were on your old drive leaving you nothing more to do then plug the new drive in, defrag, and start FS9 as you would have with the old drive. Very painless procedure if your not counting the time it takes to transfer the data.

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Thanks Opa......I'll give it a try in the morning. Evidently I've got a "problem" that few others have. I've gotten several more gray hairs just waiting to load FS2004. Sometimes longer than actually flying!
I wouldn't lose hair over it, I think plenty of other people do experience this and I think it is perfectly normal when you have a lot of add-ons installed. Just go and read your emails or a forum while it cranks up in the background. Or brew a cuppa ready for your flight.Interestingly, my observations are that load time is substantially quicker second-time around, i.e. Flight Simulator seems to do more "checking" when the machine has been freshly booted. I'm not sure why, unless it is leaving critical information in memory and I see no evidence of that. So maybe its worth starting up and shutting FS first thing after starting your computer, even if you doing other things and aren't planning to fly at that time.John

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37seconds to the Create a flight screen and 30sec to load my default flight (runway at Flytampa's Vienna with default C172, UT Europe, GEPro, REX, the usual stuff...).330 sceneries installed, 220 aircraft (no airline AI, many payware aircraft and scenery AI aircraft) and many many liveries - FS consisting of some 110GB installation.FS9 is on the Raptor drive.So, if you experience long booting, I suggest you start simple: move aircraft to another folder (I usually create a folder inside aircraft folder, call it deactivated, and move aircraft there if I don't need them), and deactivate sceneries. Either you have a culprit in your system, which is causing this problem, or you simply have so many aircraft (sceneries make very little impact on booting time) and not enough computing power :(

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What disk drive letter do you have the flight sim on? Is the disk over 70% full? What O/S are you using and is it 32 or 64 bit?If the sim is on different driver (not on 'c') then you could clone it to a faster hard drive.

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I have had FS2004 for years. I defrag regularly and turn off my antivirus before starting the sim. If I recall, it used to take 5 minutes or less to execute FS9.exe until I got the create a flight screen. It now takes 10 minutes or so for me to be able to create a flight.I have tons of addon aircraft and scenery (including photorealistic). I don't see why this should matter as none are chosen until I create a flight. I even disabled much of the scenery but it still takes that blasted 10 minutes or so to load.I'm running a P4 3.4Gig processor with 2Gig memory on an ASUS P4C800 motherboard.s I don't overclock anything.Can anyone help as to why I might be getting such a long wait for FS9 to execute? It's a pain whenever I have to restart the sim.gwillmot
Hi GwillmotI have had this problem in the past often taking even longer than 10 minutes to get to the 'create flight' stage and I can understand your frustration. I had a huge amount of both scenery and aircraft (including AI aircraft) for a total fs9 size of over 250GB. Then Windows XP imploded and I had to reinstall it together with fs9. I installed all my scenery first (around 150GB) and the load time to 'create flight' has always been less than a minute, even as I added more and more scenery. The main problem with the initial phase of loading fs9 appears to be with the number of aircraft including AI types. The suggestion to put most of your addon aircraft in a folder outside of fs9 and then simply move the file/s of the aircraft you are going to use for a particular session back into the aircraft folder of fs9 before you start fs9 is an excellent one and should make a big difference. As AI aircraft also seem to provide a heavy initial workload for fs9 on startup, it is very useful to make these 'invisible' to the fs9 aircraft selection screen. This can be done simply and easily using a freeware program called BBQHIDEA which is available I think on Avsim as well as other sites and enables you to modify the .air files for selected AI aircraft to make them invisible in the aircraft selection screen. This is very easy to use for either individual AI aircraft or batches of AI aircraft and has a great effect on load time.I have done both of these things with my newly reinstalled fs9 and, although it might take a little time initially to get them organised if you have a lot of aircraft addons and AI aircraft, it is well worth it for the difference makes in the load time to the 'create flight' stage! Try it!Hope these tips help!Bill

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OK...here are the first results based on the comments that additional aircraft might be the problem.I moved all but the default aircraft into a "hanger" folder and initiated FS2004. Boot time to "Select A Flight" screen is now exactly 3 minutes.......down from my previous 10-11 minute time.I am beginning to suspect all of the AI aircraft that I have added from WOAI, etc. I'm going to start adding back and see what happens. I can live with 3 minutes no problem. I'm going to leave the scenery alone as I'd rather have my scenery than AI aircraft.I'll keep you posted & thanks for the suggestions that the sim looks at "all" files prior to boot up.gwillmot

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I suspected that might be the problem (I just found this thread). I used to install "My Traffic" by default and wondered why my FS9 took so long to load. Without "My Traffic" loading time is down by a good few minutes - as is time between clicking "Start Flight" and the flight loading.Dave

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Ive noticed the same issue of longer load times, and found that at least on my system, it was related to WOAI.I have 94 WOAI packages installed, plus a few posky planes that I fly, maybe 4. My load time is 14secs from dbl click to create a flight.Now, in the past I have had nearly all of the available WOAI stuff installed, which are a couple hundred, and load times were usually nearly a minute, maybe minute and a half..

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GuysI can say this with quite a bit of confidence - like others said before, longer initial load times (up to the opening screen) are in direct relation to the number of aircraft in the Aircraft folder. Toss your 100 WOAI folders in a temporary folder and you'll see the difference.Loading time from opening screen to the flight itself, mostly related to scenery complexity and most of all, amount and size of addon scenery in the area.Period. Really. No tweak or cfg tricks to try :(

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:( Final Report :( The majority of responders to this thread were absolutely correct in diagnosing my problem......it is AI traffic files which slowed down my FS9 loading.I had MyTraffic, PAI, WOI, and Military AI traffic/aircraft loaded on my machine. I guess things got out of hand. I had no idea that the sim looked at all the aircraft files before loading.I kept MyTraffic traffic/planes and moved all other AI aircraft/traffic to another disk. I did keep a few AI "planes" that were boat/ship traffic for some of the scenery that I have. The removed aircraft files accounted for 17 Gig of disk space. This included a reduction of about 1,000 aircraft when viewed in Flightsim Manager. I checked traffic with what I have left and find I have plenty of company when flying. I kept all of my addon scenery.I now boot in 3 minutes tops and subsequent boots (close sim and reopen) take a minute or less.Many thanks for the advice and education from all of you fellow simmers who responded. This has resulted in "livable" boot times as well as a cleaner disk.Well, back to flying.....which is what we really want to spend time doing anyway!Thanks again,gwillmot

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I have just about every WOAI package installed, as well as many many user addon aircraft, tons of scenery including pretty much every MegaScenery FS9 title, as well as many addon airports. I also have the complete FS Global 2008 terrain mesh installed. My load time is maybe 1 minute. My FS9 is installed on a dedicated 300GB WD VelociRaptor (nothing but FS on that drive), and defragged with O&O Defrag as per Nick N's specs. As was recommended by others in this thread. A dedicated hard drive (even if it's not a Raptor/VelociRaptor drive) for FS is the way to go, as well as proper defragging of that drive. It really does make a world of difference on any machine!-m@

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I have just about every WOAI package installed, as well as many many user addon aircraft, tons of scenery including pretty much every MegaScenery FS9 title, as well as many addon airports. I also have the complete FS Global 2008 terrain mesh installed. My load time is maybe 1 minute. My FS9 is installed on a dedicated 300GB WD VelociRaptor (nothing but FS on that drive), and defragged with O&O Defrag as per Nick N's specs. As was recommended by others in this thread. A dedicated hard drive (even if it's not a Raptor/VelociRaptor drive) for FS is the way to go, as well as proper defragging of that drive. It really does make a world of difference on any machine!-m@
....and I bet your machine is quite a bit newer and more powerful than mine. That has a lot to do with it in my case.gwillmot

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