I don't have my FS system on right now, but, as I recall the manual says lift off at 71 or so (at the front part of the manual ?). I have found if I try pulling back there I still jump off (and yes, I use 3 deg up w/ 2 p on board per the manual). BUT, waiting to 75-80 results in a smooth lift off for me. This is post patch.Still luv'in it.Joe

I don't have my FS system on right now, but, as I recall the manual says lift off at 71 or so (at the front part of the manual ?). I have found if I try pulling back there I still jump off (and yes, I use 3 deg up w/ 2 p on board per the manual). BUT, waiting to 75-80 results in a smooth lift off for me. This is post patch.Still luv'in it.Joe

She doesn't fly off the concrete on her own like a lot of fs planes do. You will eventually develop the knack for a gentle tug on the control column at just the right instance. It is kinda a Bonanza trait. A good positive tug is what is called for, not pulling it off the runway. Keep the nose slightly lower than a Cessna, with a good solid positive rate of climb established and all obstacles cleared, gear up, Prop back slightly, and up, up and away.A slight back pressure on the control column from about 60 knots or so with UP trim and 1/2 flaps should bring the nose gear off the runnway as you approach 70 knots, the magic tug and she will start climbing, positive climb rate, obstacles cleared, gear up, flaps up, prop reduced. Some folks like to reduce the prop earlier in the sequence, others don't.I have mostly A36 time, but, they are all Bonanzas.

Just bought the F33, and it's awesome. One question to all of you, though. I downloaded it after the patch went into effect, but I'm still having to give her a healthy pull to rotate. Is that usual?

Hello,I have found on internet a copy of the "Beechcraft Debonair 35-C33 and Bonanza E33 F33 Pilot's opertating Handbook"http://palomarairport.org/PCF/files/N5808K_POH.pdfIn this document we can read page 1-9 wing area = 177.6 sq.ft If you use this value in the section [airplane_geometry] of your aircraft.cfg filewing_area = 177.6 // 131 you will improve the take off perrformance of the airplane model.Do not forrget to make a safegard copy of the aircraft.cfg filr under another name, before making the modification.Happy flyingBenoit

Hello,I have found on internet a copy of the "Beechcraft Debonair 35-C33 and Bonanza E33 F33 Pilot's opertating Handbook"http://palomarairport.org/PCF/files/N5808K_POH.pdfHappy flyingBenoit

Thanks for the link Benoit. These POHs are usually hard to find.RayM

I recall having to be careful to lower the nose on a 172 after takeoff so you could build speed while in ground effect. That seems doubly true of the F33. Like they said though, after a while it just becomes second nature.

If you use this value in the section [airplane_geometry] of your aircraft.cfg filewing_area = 177.6 // 131 you will improve the take off perrformance of the airplane model.

I agree that the take-off behavior is improved, but I also lose about 10 knots in cruising speed...do you see the same?

She doesn't fly off the concrete on her own like a lot of fs planes do. You will eventually develop the knack for a gentle tug on the control column at just the right instance. It is kinda a Bonanza trait. A good positive tug is what is called for, not pulling it off the runway. Keep the nose slightly lower than a Cessna, with a good solid positive rate of climb established and all obstacles cleared, gear up, Prop back slightly, and up, up and away.A slight back pressure on the control column from about 60 knots or so with UP trim and 1/2 flaps should bring the nose gear off the runnway as you approach 70 knots, the magic tug and she will start climbing, positive climb rate, obstacles cleared, gear up, flaps up, prop reduced. Some folks like to reduce the prop earlier in the sequence, others don't.I have mostly A36 time, but, they are all Bonanzas.

Thanks so much - tried that and works like a charm. Just not like the 172's and 182's I flew a long time ago . . . but I see the light now. :( Edit for another ? - I actually did this with a zero flaps T/O - (per manual??) - how common is a "1/2 Flaps" takeoff realworld?Joe

Thanks so much - tried that and works like a charm. Just not like the 172's and 182's I flew a long time ago . . . but I see the light now. :( Edit for another ? - I actually did this with a zero flaps T/O - (per manual??) - how common is a "1/2 Flaps" takeoff realworld?Joe

I just read an article about this the other day but promptly forgot most of it.My Deb manual advised no flaps-ever! I remember I was shocked by this and wrote Howard Freid ( a revered though testy expert at the time) to ask his opinion -which was do what the book said. I went out to my at the the time 2500" runway-and had a friend with a handheld watch a number of takeoffs. I did them with no flaps and 10 degrees-and sure enough he confirmed I was off sooner and better climb performance with none.Since then I read this blurb that said Beech originally recommended 10 degrees of flaps then removed it for some reason that really had nothing to do with performance-I just can't remember what it was! Some swear they get better performance with 10 degrees flaps I did not in my tests and to my knowledge the poh still states no flaps.

Real world, I've never had the chance to fly a Bonanza of any sort. However, one of the planes I fly is a Socata TB-9, and it exhibits a similar sort of behavior. Taking off with no flaps, she wants to leap up at around sixty-five knots, but adding 10 degrees of flaps seems to help make it a much smoother transition. I'll give it a try with the Bo and see what happens.

Real world, I've never had the chance to fly a Bonanza of any sort. However, one of the planes I fly is a Socata TB-9, and it exhibits a similar sort of behavior. Taking off with no flaps, she wants to leap up at around sixty-five knots, but adding 10 degrees of flaps seems to help make it a much smoother transition. I'll give it a try with the Bo and see what happens.

Imho Bo's and especially Baron's depending on the density altitude/atmospheric conditions do like to "leap" off.However, at least with this bird I don't get a rotation till 85 knts..and that is way too late.I went flying in my Baron today-and I could get the nose wheel off at 45-50 knts. and a rotation at 80 if I had let it (which I would not).

so SP1 and SP2 out but the RMI switches still dont work....

Thanks so much - tried that and works like a charm. Just not like the 172's and 182's I flew a long time ago . . . but I see the light now. :( Edit for another ? - I actually did this with a zero flaps T/O - (per manual??) - how common is a "1/2 Flaps" takeoff realworld?Joe

Actually 1/2 flaps is real uncommon. 10 degrees flaps is what might be the setting to use.You need to read the post by Geofa - for real word tests with and without flaps - but for me, it was always the density altitude, temperature and length of runway. Most planes will break ground sooner with some flaps deployed with proper takeoff technique. This doesn't mean it would necessarily clear an obstacle using flaps vs not using flaps on a short field. Spend a hour or so using your F33, FSX, and the pause key. Make your takeoff run, rotate, then pause, and playback at 1/2 speed. Try a takeoff run while looking from outside the plane, using F11, with and without flaps. Heck, have some fun with it.RayM

Actually 1/2 flaps is real uncommon. 10 degrees flaps is what might be the setting to use.

OK, I said half because there is only approach (15 deg) and Landing (30 deg) though? Thanks all for sharing so much info.Will be having fun with it this weekend, no doubt !Also, found this checklist in a web search:http://web.mac.com/drjanetlapp/Bonanza_Pil...checklist_1.pdfJoe