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I am ordering a new Dell system this upcoming Friday. Anyone familiar with the Dell LCD monitors? I am considering Dell's 20.1" Ultrasharp LCD monitor. It has a response time of 25ms (is that good?) and a contrast ratio of 350:1 (is that good as well?). It costs quite a bit of money but I will get it if it is worth it. I plan on using the ATi 9800 Pro (128MB version) with it as well. Thanks for any help!!

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I wouldn't buy an LCD monitor with a response time of 25ms if I were you... 25ms equates to a maximum of 40fps. You'll want to buy an LCD w/response time of 20ms or less. I hear they'll be down to 12ms by the end of the year.BTW, forum rules prohibit "bumping." Just thought I'd let you know before one of the mods does ;)hope this helps,Max Cowgill

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You may get some 'Trailing' effect with a 25ms LCD. It really depends on alot of factors but I know that Dell makes a pretty decent LCD. Max is right in that aspect and I myself am sticking with my 21" iiyama monitor until the newer generation LCD's hit the market end of 2004.

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What is "trailing" effect? Also, will it help if I did get this but set a frame rate limit to say 24? Also, how do you compare contrast ratio's? I see some are 600:1 and this one from Dell is 350:1??

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Well, there goes me buying Dell's 20.1 LCD with a 25ms and 350:1 contrast ratio. Looks like I will be stuck with either a new CRT or a 17" tops LCD. Is anyone out there using an LCD with a 25ms and if so, how is it working?

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I have the Dell 20.1 Ultrasharp and the Radeon 9800. Works fantastic for me in all regards. Easy on the eyes, no ghosting (or trailing). I love it...I've tried swapping in other CRT's for various reasons, and have always come back to the Dell. Perhaps there are better LCD's (and probably at some sort of price premium...Dell often has 15-20% off monitor sales), but this one works nicely for fs2004, in my experience.Jesse

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Interesting Jesse. Would you be so kind as to contact me privately at efisher2@cfl.rr.com so I may converse with you some more about this monitor. You are the only one I have found that has said positve things about this particular monitor in regards to FS. Just need to get some more info from you before I go spend 800 dollars on one. Thanks.

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I fell in love with my new Dell 18" LCD monitor. Beautiful picture, no ghosts or trails. It is like 'night and day' difference in quality from my 19" CRT monitor and it is 1/10 of an inch larger (viewable screen) than the 19". Dell Dimension XPS Series: Pentium 4 Processor at 3GHz with 800MHz frontside busPower Supply: 460-watt power supplyMemory: 1GB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHzKeyboard: Dell Enhanced Multimedia KeyboardMonitor: 18.1 in. 1800FP Dell Ultrasharp Digital Flat Panel DisplayVideo Card: New 128MB DDR ATI RADEON 9800 Pro Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVIHard Drive: 200GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive (7200 RPM) with DataBurst CacheFloppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices: 3.5 in. Floppy DriveOperating System: Microsoft Windows XP ProfessionalMouse: Dell 2-button Scroll MouseNetwork Interface: Integrated Intel PRO 10/100 EthernetCD or DVD Drive: 16 Max DVD-ROM DriveSecondary CD or DVD Drive: New 4x DVD+RW/+RDrive w/CD-RWSound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 premium sound card including FREE MuVo MP3 PlaySpeakers: Altec Lansing THX Certified ADA995

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Brent, what about in complex scenery situations when on the ground say and you are turning your aircraft? Do you see trailing or anything then? I wonder why people say to stay away from anything over 23ms? Maybe Dell with there 25ms is as good as say a second rate LCD at 20-23ms?

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my new Viewsonic VP230. You should see FS9 in 1600X1200, which is default, just unbelievable. I also have a Sony 19 inch graphics crt CDA/CAM display, and it's going to collect a bunch of dust. Go for it, and don't worry about the 25 thingy.... Oh, you need a video card capable of displaying digital video. Get a good one. I use an FX card. Sure wish Nvidia would get the new drivers out, should be today sometime.Layabout

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Eric....Again, if you have not already done so, I suggest you follow this link:http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/20030626/index.htmlI think the fact of the matter is that the stated response times ar not always accurate. Some are better, some are worse.To be frank I am also feeling a bit confused and have addressed some questions to Hyundai.I note that the Q17A is the model reviewed in Tom's Guide, yet the one on Hyundai's site and, indeed, the one I have just received but not yet installed, is the Q17. I suspect the 'A' refers to the type of TFT screen as in A-Si TFT in the case of my Q17.To add to my confusion the documentation quotes 25ms as the response time for my model, the Dual model (analogue and digital options), yet the documentation for the analogue model quotes 16ms!?? Go figure!I await their response before deciding whether or not to reject it. Would be a shame but, like you, I don't want any trailing/afterglow. Tom's Hardware Guide review does seem very positive about the Q17A (Q17?) so maybe all will be well.I suppose I could just fire her up and see for myself but I want to avoid any problems if I do decide to reject the purchase. Soooo frustrating!Mike

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>Brent, what about in complex scenery situations when on the>ground say and you are turning your aircraft? Do you see>trailing or anything then? I wonder why people say to stay>away from anything over 23ms? Maybe Dell with there 25ms is as>good as say a second rate LCD at 20-23ms? Eric, I've tried to force situautions where something would be amiss, like ghosting. LAX, Denver, KPDX, KSEA, KSAN, Las Vegas, Phoenix...nothing negative noted on the ground or in the air. So far, everything has remained crisp and beautiful. The only thing I can note is flying at 500 feet at 280kts and in spot view from a side view, the trees get a slight(very slight) wave going, presumably from the refresh rate (?). Of course, the monitor is 'riding' on the 9800pro card which has proven to be outstanding. Optimum setting for the 18 is 1280x1024 @ 60 Hz, which is what I am running. In FS2K2 and FS9, I have 1280x1024x32 selected. I can't speak for the other monitors and their setups, but the package I got from Dell has been excellent. Good luck and I hope you find what pleases you.

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Hi Eric, back again!Just received feedback from Hyundai - how's that for support!Their response:1. We have two colour options beige and silver/black. Q17A and Q17 are different models and both are available in both colours.a. Q17 is dual model with USB hub and DVI-D cableb. Q17A is only analog and has no USB2. Both models Q17 and Q17A have 20 ms panel. Information in the CD is incorrect.So, it looks like I'm okay with the Q17. What a relief!Here's another link you may find useful before making the decision:http://www.reseller.co.nz/Reseller/Reselle...C0?OpenDocumentOne factor to consider when purchasing an LCD monitor - a 15" viewable LCD display is equivalent to a 17" CRT, 17" to a 19" CRT and so on. Nice, eh?Mike

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I have a Viewsonic Vp211b (21.3" viewable) LCD it is 25ms and 600:1 contrast ratio. I don't think you can get anything below 25ms in a large monitor, at least I couldn

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Forgot my specs.MontyDell 82002.53 Ghz 533FSB CPU1024 Mb RD800 RamGf4 Ti 4600 128mb Video (Driver 4523)Viewsonic 21" VP211b Flat Panel Monitor (1600 x 1200 Native Resolution)Audigy Sound (Latest Drivers)Seagate X15 15000 RPM 37 Gb SCSI Hard Drive E: (Dedicated to FS9)Thrustmaster Hotas CougarWindows XP Pro SP1

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>One factor to consider when purchasing an LCD monitor - a 15">viewable LCD display is equivalent to a 17" CRT, 17" to a 19">CRT and so on. Nice, eh?>>Mike>Mike, this isn't exactly accurate. A 17" CRT usually has a viewable image area of 15.9'16.0", a 19" CRT usually has a viewable image area of 17.9'18.0". So to be completely accurate it would take a 16" LCD to match a 17" CRT for viewable image area, and an 18" LCD to match a 19" CRT for viewable image area. I don't mean to nitpick or anything, just wanted to clear that up.-Max Cowgill

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I have a Iiyama 20.1" LCD, with also 25 ms response time, but a 600:1 contrast ratio. I think this thing is top of the line, so they don't really come any faster than 25 ms. When changing to LCD, don't worry about this 25 ms, I've had LCD for 4 years and never had problems with it. Also, don't worry about the refresh rate. Put it as low as it goes. All this refresh rate madness is caused by the flickering nature of picture tubes in CRT monitors and does not apply to LCD. On an LCD, a picture is just rock solid. The only things important when buying LCD today are: - Make sure it has a DVI interface- Check for pixel-perfect regulations (all vendors allow a certain amount of dead pixels, but usually guarantee error free displays for a certain extra amount_- Don't buy 1600x1200 if you have lowend machine and are planning to use FS2004 in windowed mode.

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Do what I did - save your money and buy a used 22 incher until prices and the monitor's themselves improve a little more. I bought a 22 inch monitor for $375 CAD (about $250 US) and it is working perfectly. The money I saved went to increasing my RAM - but do not order that from Dell, go to Crucial or a local supplier. That is where Dell makes their money. I plan on grabbing a new 30 inch early next year when prices are a little more reasonable.

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Hi Max,Ah well, at least one can comfort oneself by feeling persuaded that a good quality 20ms 17" LCD will soon, if not already, be better value for money than its CRT equivalent. Bigger viewing area, no fall off in sharpness at the edges and superb true colour quality.Mike

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Well gentlemen, many many thanks for all the responses. This kind of info was EXCATLY what I was hoping to get. I just ordered the new Dell XPS with a 3.2P4, 1Gig of RAM, ATI's 9800PRO 128MB card and of course the 20.1" LCD monitor. I hope this will let me run FS9 with everything maxed out or close to it!! Thanks again guys!

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You'll be fine. I have the 18" Ultrasharp Dell LCD monitor. It's perfect because it has Digital input and you connect it as such to the proper location on the computer's back panel. The old monitors without the Digital in/out possibility would give trails BECAUSE THEY WERE CONNECTED IN AN ANALOG FASHION. The Dell comes with both connectors, ane the digital one is the correct one for us simmers. I love mine, and would never go back to that large behemoth, space-sucking tube. Stan

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Morning!I've had my new Dell XPS for about two weeks now and love everything, including the 18" LCD. As far as LCD performance is concerned, I have had no problem at all. Pixel refresh rates and contrast ratios are subjective; read Consumer Reports, PCWorld reviews etc. and you'll get the picture pretty quickly. Service has been exemplary as well. I actually had a bad hard drive that I discovered at 2 in the afternoon on a Wednesday. The service tech was at my door at 10:00 AM the next day!! All is well now. Here's another tip for those of you considering buying a Dell. Costco sells pre-configured Dells including the XPS online. Their return policy is 6 MONTHS, for any reason, no restocking charge. When I was talking to the Dell tech when we reinstalled the OS, I told him where I got my machine and about the guarantee. He said that was pretty good because Dell's policy was thirty days and you get to pay shipping! LOL! Now if ATI will just update the drivers to stop the flickerin' !!Mark

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i belive the dell 18" and 19" ultrasharps are samsung syncmasters in a dell case that they bought wholesale from samsung. i have the 19" samsung syncmaster 191T and it is the same panel as teh 19" ultrasharp

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