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Let's get controversial here.BOEING.....ANTI GRAVITYCan anyone confirm the above connection, and also explain just how the hell Boeing are going to develop an aircraft that defies all currently known laws of physics ? Or is this maybe a product of years of research at Area 51 ?I'd love to know what's going on.Best Wishes,Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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I heard about this a few days ago, but Boeing should not delve into this until its fully understood, something bad could happen!

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From memory only: A russian scientist says to have measured up to 2% reduction in gravity above a fast spinning, superconducting disk.No-one had yet been able to repeat these measurements - yet this is the work Boeing is said to base its research on. I guess it's a "don't let the competitors have it first thing" :-)Vince

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That may be so, but doesn't anyone else here think that all this talk about anti gravity is starting to sound rather ridiculous ? I mean, come on. We're talking about ANTI GRAVITY here. What BS are they going to talk next ? Warp drive ? Lightsabres ?I'll say this though. If Boeing really do create an anti gravity engine, then I want to know where the technology came from, because I sure as hell am not convinced that the human race is ANYWHERE NEAR that level of technology.UFO Magazine anyone ?Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Chris, actually, Boeing's work in this area is based upon some very serious previous work done by the Russian scientist mentioned earlier (and others I might add). And contrary to what some may believe, Einstein's Theory of Relativity does allow for anti-gravity. It may also surprise you that there a number of institutions that are seriously looking at "time travel", which is also allowed by the theory of relativity. Imagine you are in 1880 and all you have ever seen fly are birds and balloons. Now imagine sitting in your living room parlor one night and someone telling you; "Yup, 23 years from now, man will fly like a bird". Or, you are in July of 1959 and told, 10 years from today, man will step on, and explore, the moon.My guess is that you might well have scoffed at those statements too. :)

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Tom,I take your point, but are you seriously suggesting that such advanced technology as anti gravity and time travel are within the grasp of the human race ? Your analogies are valid, but they aren't really in the same league. Man was flying balloons, and possibly even airships in 1880. That isn't too far removed from a primitive aircraft. Similarly, several satellites had already been launched into orbit by 1959, and the Apollo Moon landings didn't involve a radically different form of technology to be accomplished, despite being very impressive achievements.Advancing from rockets and jet aircraft to anti gravity and time travel is a massive leap forward in technology. I'm not convinced that the human race is capable of such technological marvels, but I would like to know who is.Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Oh, I catch your drift. "but I would like to know who is" kind of is a clue. :)Well, I can't speak to that (well I could, but then I would have to reveal the greatest conspiracy of all time! :-lol ). Speculating on aliens and the like is akin to standing at the fence rail and trying to guess how many teeth a horse has. Until you climb the fence, walk up to the horse, and pry its mouth open and actually count the teeth, you will never really know and everything but that is guess work / speculation / bias / fantasy / or dementia.

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Oh yes they did! :-) Going from a R-7 or Jupiter C to a Saturn V is a huge climb. The work that went into the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs is often way under rated.

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Dear Christopher,Remember, not all scientific break throughs come gradually.Some come because some scientist stumbles over it by accident or makes a mistake during an experiment and finds something unexpected (think Curie).There's no way ever you can say "impossible".When you say that, it blocks all potential progress.Level of technology is only partially time related.What drives science mostly is the number of people.Science needs a mass society to carry it's weight.Think of it as a critical mass.We have mass, we have exponentially growing tech to help us.My personal expectation is that we are on the brink of some major breakthroughs. Maybe not in our life times but for sure in our children's.Yes, even warp drives comes within grasp.- Gideon"...You were looking for me, but you couldn't find me..while I was sitting right under your nose...."

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>are you seriously suggesting that >such advanced technology as anti gravity and time travel are >within the grasp of the human race ? It's not that far off. If you read up (and manage to understand ! :-lol) about quantum physics, you'll get an better idea. I really don't understand enough about it to explain, so I'd rather you read about it :-lol.__________________________________________________________EricList of all airlines, aircraft manufacturers and aircraft types recognised by ATC:http://www.geocities.com/eric_2203/orhttp://ftp.avsim.com/library/esearch.php?D...atID=fs2002misc

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Someone somewhere else (I don't remember where) thought Boeing would use this on commerical aircraft. Wouldn't that be weird! I think that if this were to become a reality, we'd have some really weird futuristic fighter. But knowing that the Government keeps things under wraps they may have something like this. Who knows?

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You know, I once read a very interesting report on how UFOs (assuming they do exist, which I think is not as unlikely as you might think) might be propelled. I cannot recall every single detail off the top of my head, but it involved the application of an electrical field of very high voltage - several ten thousand kV at least - and high revolution numbers. Interestingly, trials that were undertaken in the UK and elsewhere showed that the disk shape which was and is often seen on UFOs would be just about ideal for this "electro-gravitic" propulsion, as it was called. IIRC, the principle of this propulsion method is that the electrial field emitted by the aircraft (let's just call it that for the moment) serves to drastically reduce aerodynamic drag by deflecting the air away from the surface of the craft, and also to reduce the effects of gravity on the aircraft sufficiently that only very small amounts of power would be needed to propel it in any desired direction.Let's just hope that we would use such technology wisely, assuming it could be realized...

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Of course there is probably no point to working on Anti-Gravity drives anyway (at least for transportation purposes) - don't they know that they are also working on Teleportation as well and it is looking good.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm...that is if you are a laser beam looking to travel a very short distance.Of course, how exactly does MS make a "Teleportation Simulator" - can't really think that there would be many buyers !!!!!

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Teleportation sure would be nice :-) ...but then again I once read that in order to break down a human into his smallest subatomic particles in order to "beam" them to another location you would need a temperature of several ten billion degrees or so :( ...and that is not even to speak of how to recombine those particles at the destination...

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Dominik,Electro gravitics is exactly the term used in a recent article about anti-gravity devices in UFO Magazine. They acknowledge that research on such technology is a reality, but they have questions regarding the likely source of such technology.I like to keep an open mind.............Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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The main problem seems to be less the transportation itself so much as the generation and (lossless) compression of the datastream (not to mention recreating a living object from inanimate matter at the destination.There has been limited success with single atoms and subatomic particles, but so far anything larger has been impossible.Not only are current computers not powerfull enough, but the required energies are at the moment more than all the generated electricity at the planet.

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"The main problem seems to be less the transportation itself so much as the generation and (lossless) compression of the datastream (not to mention recreating a living object from inanimate matter at the destination."Yup...even in Star Trek it does not always work right... Remember that scene from ST: The Motion Picture? :-eek Really made me cringe when I first saw how that officer failed to materialize, but right before his/her "death" let loose this nerve-shattering, distorted scream *gulp* ..."Not only are current computers not powerfull enough, but the required energies are at the moment more than all the generated electricity at the planet. "Well, as far as I know they are working on M/AM fusion, but I think they only just managed to prove that antimatter does exist...oh, well...

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No doubt, I was reading the other day where some guy had substantial evidence to prove that the speed of light has actually slowed since the supposed Big Bang (Apparently it moved at near infinite speed around that time, and has gradually slowed since). The article went on to say that if this pans out, Einstein and E=MC2 is thrown out the window. Not only that, but I've also heard that somehow they managed to accelerate a photon faster than the speed of light somewhere.Not quite related to antigravity (or maybe it is, I don't have a clue about physics!) but interesting to be sure to prove that we're making some pretty far-fetched things come true.Kenneth

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Of all the areas of science fiction, I believe an anti-grav transportation system may be the most likely to become science fact. How? Haven't a clue, but I believe recent observations of space may point in a direction, from the odd behaviour of the universe's expansion which seems to defy gravity. Perhaps the secret rests in "dark matter".... Or imagine a substance which be inclined to move away from mass, rather than toward it. In practice, I have already seen one anti-gravity device--my two year old daughter. She can prevent all her toys from falling into her toybox where they are supposed to be when she's through playing, and judging from the pattern of random toys in my house, I can only confirm that she has mastered the science behind anti-gravity. She can also increase gravity, by changing her mass in direct proportion to bedtime, so that it takes the combined effort of my wife and I to place her in bed....-John

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I'm just thinking that, from a professional standpoint, it is a VERY risky move for Boeing. But just look at the possible rewards. Now I remember that the scientist who did the experiments with supercooled magnets, for sake of his career, kept the information a secret. Unfortunately, information was leaked to the press, his career was ruined, and he was ridiculed by those who respected him. Tread carefully, Boeing.

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I believe that at CERN they managed to create anti-matter (for a billionth of a second or however long it was), but that does not mean it exists anywhere else...Cheers,Gosta.

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Ah, but are you so sure that his career was ruined ? What if Boeing snapped him up to aid them in developing such technology ?Does anyone remember the cold fusion news headline from years ago ? I consider that little piece of history to be far more than meets the eye.Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Good point indeed, Chris. I think that I perhaps meant that it was his reputation that was ruined...

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If this is the start of "anti-gravity engines" I'd like to see what Airbus would try and do with them. personally I think there's too many risks involving these types of engines. One: There's never been any test on this type of plane (that I can think of). Two: Gravity holds down our air to breathe so if there anti-gravity engines there'd be no air and we'd mostly die becuase we'd suffocate up there even if they had pressurized air. Sorry Boeing, but I think you've started out on the wrong foot in the first place.

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