Way off PMDG topics... but some of you may have noticed already that this is THE place to get good, reliable answers from when the topic is flight simming in general. I really trust y´all!So I´ve been a long time user of Vatsim and I fly mostly in my home country (Brazil) and the US with the occasional hop across the pond towards UK.I´ve been meaning for years to start flying more often in Europe where the traffic gets heavy and I know the air traffic services are near-perfect; however I´ve been refraining from doing so because I can´t find a place to get my flightplans from. Iknow there are tons of software and websites that´ll suggest routings for me but I am obssessive compulsive when it comes to realism and I´ll only settle for doing flights that are done in real life with the real world flightplans. Here in Brazil we have a website that displays publicly the RPLs for every airline that flies in the country, enabling us pilots to simulate exactly what happens out there. In the US there is flightaware.com. But so far I´ve been unable to find something similar for Europe, and believe me I´ve looked.I have already read the Dutch Vacc´s tutorial regarding the use of the CFMU FPL validation system, which seems to be an reasonable alternative. For those of you who don´t know about it apparently eurocontrol has a tool available on their site where you inserta flightplan from within Europe and it´ll either validate it or modify it for you. Kinda like calling clearance before pushback. And since it´s serious stuff from the real world you´re guaranteed to get a 100% accurate flighplan. However, they have apparently restricted access to this tool for the public user in recent times (post 9/11 maybe?)To sum it all up, does anyone know of a place I could go to fetch real world flightplans or at least the routes commonly used by European operators? This all of course, in anticipation to flying some great short hosp with the NGX. I can´t wait to shoot an approach to Innsbruck!Any help will be greatly appreciated.

I would use:http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/Or even look into joining BVA, British virtual Airlines. Once accepted, you have access to their real world BA routes for use in the simulator.

you could also try this, these are real world flightplans added by people in diverse places and it lists the age of the routes. Just sign up for access and you have to login at least once every 90dayshttp://www.edi-gla.co.uk/fpl/index.php

I have already read the Dutch Vacc´s tutorial regarding the use of the CFMU FPL validation system, which seems to be an reasonable alternative. For those of you who don´t know about it apparently eurocontrol has a tool available on their site where you inserta flightplan from within Europe and it´ll either validate it or modify it for you. Kinda like calling clearance before pushback. And since it´s serious stuff from the real world you´re guaranteed to get a 100% accurate flighplan. However, they have apparently restricted access to this tool for the public user in recent times (post 9/11 maybe?)

You can access the flight plan validation tool here: https://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/PUBPORTAL/gateway/spec/index.html (look in the right column, under "IFPUV - Flight Planning Assistance").European routes in vRoute (www.vroute.net) are checked against this tool before they are accepted into the database, so those are valid (at the time of submission anyway). vRoute also contains a large number of routes imported from EuroFPL (a real-world flight plan filing tool).

You can try http://www.vatroute.net and http://ivao.aero/db/routeDion Mollert

You can access the flight plan validation tool here: https://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/PUBPORTAL/gateway/spec/index.html (look in the right column, under "IFPUV - Flight Planning Assistance").European routes in vRoute (www.vroute.net) are checked against this tool before they are accepted into the database, so those are valid (at the time of submission anyway). vRoute also contains a large number of routes imported from EuroFPL (a real-world flight plan filing tool).

Hey Tom, a couple hours after posting this I dug deep into Eurocontrol´s bowels and found the CFMU tool. Then I spent the rest of the night fidgeting with it until I could get the hang of things instead of resting for work today. Thank you so much for your help. Thank you to everyone else as well. All links are great and are exactly what I was looking for. If only there was an european veriosn of flightaware...edited for spelling

You have this one as well - you need to register but just type in some number...http://www.eurofpl.eu/br,Leif