This is a quote from Ryan in an earlier thread about this:

Thanks for clarifying that. Would love to be a beta tester :-)

Hey guys... I dont know if any flight crew come thru DTW and go to the stop over store but today I bought a FMS handbook on the 737 6/7/8/9.. it only 50 buck great deal... So if any crew come thru DTW and want to prepare for the PMDG 737 NGX I would suggest it... here a picture of it....Carlitos Colon

Thanks for clarifying that. Would love to be a beta tester :-)

Ye me too, would be an awesome job ;)- Hey Ryan, first of all thanks for keeping us up to date alittle bit. It's hard to wait and I was disappointed that the 737NGX still has not been released but I really understand it that it has been delayed! ;) Secondly, Is is right that the 737NGX almost reached the beta fase? Third, any change for a new update soon? :rolleyes:Regards,Steven

Hey guys... I dont know if any flight crew come thru DTW and go to the stop over store but today I bought a FMS handbook on the 737 6/7/8/9.. it only 50 buck great deal... So if any crew come thru DTW and want to prepare for the PMDG 737 NGX I would suggest it... here a picture of it....Carlitos Colon

Hmmm, ... :( I was thinking to buy it aswell but I prefer wait when the NGX has been released because inside the BOX you have (ofcourse:P) the install-CD but also a Manual and a FMC Manual, if I'm right. The 747X got these two manuals so I expect them also in the 737NGX.

Hmmm, ... :( I was thinking to buy it aswell but I prefer wait when the NGX has been released because inside the BOX you have (ofcourse:P) the install-CD but also a Manual and a FMC Manual, if I'm right. The 747X got these two manuals so I expect them also in the 737NGX.

Well it will be in the FCOM volume 2 the last two parts that I've yet to read are the most extensive one, the flight controls one and the FMC one, plus a bit on the Warning system. I can just tell it is very very extensive and seems to cover all the details of the FMC, but I've yet to read them.

That's actually a good question. I can't imagine that all the YouTube jumpseat videos are taken by deadheading pilots. You'd think that some of them would be by non pilots who got permission to ride there. I have a good mate who's a SWA captain, but ever since I moved from Dallas I don't see him much. He's based out of DAL and flies to all of SWAs destinations. Not in one trip of course. Lol

Was exactly that what I had in mind when I suggested you the permission thing. Get such permission in the US may be hard, specially now after 9/11, but knowing someone who works for the airline, specially a pilot will make it a lot easier. Go for it. I'll do the same with this friend and see what I get. The worst possible answer is "no", right?

To those asking how to get jumpseat permission, I once asked this to my old instructor who used to fly for US Airways. He said for non-pilots you have to go through the Chief Pilot - that is, you have to call up the Chief Pilot of the airline and get written permission to jumpseat.That's what I was told, though I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Hey Ethan,That's interesting flight crews are not allowing a little show and tell these days of the FDs prior to departures. The only thing I can think of is that, SW may have very short turn-times, and they may not be able to have a lot of time to do any of that stuff between turns. I don't remember any security directives that prohibits us from doing a little show and tell for interested customers. I do them frequently at JetBlue Airways. Yes, I know is an Airbus, please don't hold that against me, ok? :( I tell you what, you're on my flight and you ask to walk up front to take a look, I don't think we have a problem with that. At least I have not seen any flight crews have any issues with it. I have been in situations where we're late or somethingl like that, and we don't have a lot of time for that. I can also understand some flight attendants may be a little uptight about someone interested in the flight deck though. See Yah!Ray Lemus A320 FO

Yeah, that's a first isn't it? That will be great! Speaking of show and tell, I remember that sometimes pilots would let me enter the cockpit of the NG preflight and I could watch them as the performed checklists, programed the fmc, etc. They seemed willing to talk because they could see that I knew what was going on and wasn't just another normal passenger. This was post 9/11 even, but now, and I fly ALL the time, I am always ushered on by the F/A and don't have a chance to even THINK about getting a quick peek at the FD. I fly 90% on SWA and the rest on primarily AA, DAL, COA, UAL, and rarely USAW. I have tried, but to no avail. I've tried on foreign airlines too. KLM (NG) was the same, as was BA (737-500). I understand I'm not going to get to see the FD when I'm boarding my triple 7, after all I would have to walk all the way through the first class, but was there some regulation that is fairly recent regarding preflight visitors? The FD door is open but if I step aside and kind of linger like I want to see, the F/A says that I'm not allowed to stand there.

I know that with my airline it's absolutely NO one other than operating crew allowed upfront, not even other non operating pilots are allowed. Only flight and cabin crew rostered to be on duty for that flight are allowed. Pretty boring for us really, but that policy only exists with the engines running, on the ground it's allowed. But under no circumstances is anyone other than us allowed upfront. Regards.

Hey Kenneth,Dude those days are gone. The only time you can visit is on the ground between turns. There may still be some provisions on special approval and things like that, but I'm sure it has to be for official business only. I know man, it sucks! See Yah!Ray LemusA320 FO

To those asking how to get jumpseat permission, I once asked this to my old instructor who used to fly for US Airways. He said for non-pilots you have to go through the Chief Pilot - that is, you have to call up the Chief Pilot of the airline and get written permission to jumpseat.That's what I was told, though I'm not sure how accurate it is.

In Australia some airlines will let crew ride the jump seat but you have to a asic card. i always try to get row 1 or more leg room and sometimes you get to see the FD on the ground, Also i have noticed that when in the air the trolly dollies will block the path when the big cheese come out for a break.

Hey Kenneth,Dude those days are gone. The only time you can visit is on the ground between turns. There may still be some provisions on special approval and things like that, but I'm sure it has to be for official business only. I know man, it sucks! See Yah!Ray LemusA320 FO

So what do you do to visit the cockpit on the ground? I mean who would I ask the flight attendants?

So what do you do to visit the cockpit on the ground? I mean who would I ask the flight attendants?

When I want to visit the cockpit on the ground, and I do that everytime I get into a plane, I just ask the flight attendants if I can visit the cockpit. They ask the capitain and if he allows, the FA wait all the passengers to leave the plane and then take me to the flight deck. The only inconvenient of visiting the FD on the ground is that you can't observe things for a long time, because the dispatchers go in and out all the time to deliver loadsheets, charts and other papers. I try to talk to the pilots, but they get really busy at that time, getting the papers, programming the FMC... and depending on the mood of the pilot, they don't even give you attention. Not because they don't want to (that's what I rather believe), but because they don't have time.

Matheus-It also depends on what leg is flown, I believe. In 2009, I flew on a Qantas 767 from YSSY-NZCH (Sydney to Christchurch) and my dad was a frequent flyer for them. They came and asked does he need anything shortly after takeoff, he said the newspaper - haha. They went off to go grab it, and he asked if I wanted anything, I made a joke, "haha yeah, lets go in the cockpit!" He then asked - and they said ill ask the captain, but it will have to be on the ground. We were leaving the aircraft, and my dads like," hm they didnt say anything, lets ask!" im like, no dont! And he did and we got in the cockpit, but we just left like everybody else, didnt have to wait till last.The crew were more than happy to talk, though it was FO really, the captain was "printing" stuff off - but he did chat :) But, when they weren't preparing anything and nobody came in - this is probably because it was going to be cold and dark and not flying back till tomorrow or a few hours (4-5 hours).

I got to ride the jump seat in a Qantas 767 from Melbourne to Sydney just before 9/11. I asked the flight attendent if I could ride the jumpseat when bording the plane and just before the plane was pushed from the gate the flight attendent came and took me up front for the entire flight. The flight crew even gave me a head set so I could listen to the ATC.

Matheus-It also depends on what leg is flown, I believe. In 2009, I flew on a Qantas 767 from YSSY-NZCH (Sydney to Christchurch) and my dad was a frequent flyer for them. They came and asked does he need anything shortly after takeoff, he said the newspaper - haha. They went off to go grab it, and he asked if I wanted anything, I made a joke, "haha yeah, lets go in the cockpit!" He then asked - and they said ill ask the captain, but it will have to be on the ground. We were leaving the aircraft, and my dads like," hm they didnt say anything, lets ask!" im like, no dont! And he did and we got in the cockpit, but we just left like everybody else, didnt have to wait till last.The crew were more than happy to talk, though it was FO really, the captain was "printing" stuff off - but he did chat :) But, when they weren't preparing anything and nobody came in - this is probably because it was going to be cold and dark and not flying back till tomorrow or a few hours (4-5 hours).

I rarely get a plane to go to its final destination, where it will "be cold and dark and not flying back till tomorrow or a few hours" as you said, and I use to fly to busy airports. So that's why I get all the confusion at the cockpit. I think they ask me to wait for everybody to leave to keep people from "breaking into" the cockpit.I imagine that if neither the plane nor the crew is going anywhere, they would have time to talk. Actually, the first time I asked to visit the cockpit, I was traveling to São Pulo-Guarulhos (it's the busiest airport of the country), but I think the crew had plenty of time, so that the FO was very "receptive" (the Capitain wasn't at the cockpit). At that time, I didn't have the knowledge regarding aircraft systems and procedures like I have today, so it was a short chat.

I got to ride the jump seat in a Qantas 767 from Melbourne to Sydney just before 9/11. I asked the flight attendent if I could ride the jumpseat when bording the plane and just before the plane was pushed from the gate the flight attendent came and took me up front for the entire flight. The flight crew even gave me a head set so I could listen to the ATC.

You have just described exactly the experience I'm looking for! Except for the aircraft model. I love 737NGs (that's the plane I dream to fly when I become a commercial pilot), so I'd go crazy if I could stay at a 737 cockpit during the flight. But any other plane would be welcome as well. Anyway, you're a lucky guy.