OT - Air Force 1 spotted by British Airways pilot - question...

[Guest jabberthecat]

From some reports a British Airways pilot asked whether he had justseen AF1. AF1 responded, "No, we are a Gulf Stream 5". British replied "Oh" ( apparently knowingly ended the inquiry ).So...where could this have happened ? leaving the east coast of the US ?And do you think that the AF1 pilot instinctvly knew to claim he was a plane that couldn't have been mistaken with a 747 so as to signal the British pilot to clam up?Pretty facinating from a flight logistics standpoint.- Myles

[Guest jabberthecat]

I would agree ATC wouldn't confirm AF1. Below is one description I found...I am curious where in the flight AF1 would have been within visual distance to a BA airliner. And did the BA pilot know to keep quite as soon as he essentially told he didn't "see" what he "saw" or did he just second quess himself?- Myles"At one point during the 10-1/2-hour flight, the stealth mission was almost revealed when the pilot of a British Airways jetliner spotted the presidential plane with its distinctive blue and gold paint design. On the open radio, the pilot asked, "Did I just see Air Force One?" After moments of silence, the Air Force One pilot responded over the radio by identifying himself as a much smaller aircraft: "Gulf Stream Five." "Oh," replied the British pilot, who apparently decided to bite his tongue. "Here is another one ... "BAGHDAD, Nov. 27 -- As Air Force One headed under a false call sign for its unannounced landing in Iraq on Thursday, the Boeing 747 passed within sight of a British Airways pilot who radioed, "Did I just see Air Force One?" "Gulfstream 5," replied Bush's pilot, Col. Mark Tillman. As one of Bush's aides recounted, the British Airways pilot seemed to sense that he was in on a secret and replied archly, "Oh." "

[Guest DanWalloch]

The flight in question was Pres. Bush's secrect thanksgivings day visit to the troops in baghdad. At the time of departure, this trip was only known to a few people that needed to know. His parents didn't even know he was going, they showed up at the white house for thanksgiving dinner only to find him gone. The pilots could not let anyone know who they really were because of extremly high risk destination so their only option was to distract the BA pilots by stating their false callsign in hope that the BA pilots would catch on not to say anything. To show further that this trip was top secret, upon arrival into baghdad airport the tower didn't even know it was AF1 coming and the AF1 crew made the approach and landing without any lights on so that ground attacks would be voided. Also the troops that he had dinner with were shocked to see Pres. Bush standing in front of their eyes because NO ONE knew about the trip. This was the first time a US president has been inside Iraq.

[Guest allcott]

Just to clear this up: `Air Force One` is ANY US Air Force aircraft that is carrying the US President. The callsign applies from the moment he steps aboard to the moment he leaves. It's not applied to an individual aircraft.Same thing applies to Royal Flight aircraft for the Queen and members of the Royal Family here in the UK. Not sure whether the Prime Minister gets that distinction of a specific callsign.Allcott

[Guest Fluxuated]

Allcott, to add to what you are saying, and you are correct, "Marine 1" is his Helicopter, used to fly in and out of the white house, Obviously it's designated "Marine 1" Because it's a USMC Aircraft.

[Guest allcott]

Thanks for that. Out of interest, does the same thing apply to the US Navy?Navy One?Allcott

[Rottenlungs 0]

As a lowly PPL, if you make a radio call and falsify your callsign, of which a/c type is a part, then you are breaking the rules. Though, I guess when you`re the President you can change the rules! At least Bush had the b0110cks to go to Iraq, considering his usual trick of scampering away to hide at Offutt AFB when the going gets interesting, although a choreographed chest-puffing excercise doesn`t really let him get to see how much the average "liberated" local hates his guts!Oops, politics.

[Guest Fluxuated]

Allcott, I'd assume so. Perhaps NAVY 1 was the callsign he used when He landed on that carrier to announce the end of the war. (Sounds funny, but It's not a joke)Can anyone confirm/correct?

[Guest crabster]

Yes that is correct, it was designated Navy 1. Any US military aircraft he is on get the desiganation "1". If he flys on an Army UH60 for example, it would be Army 1 etc, etc.....

[Guest ChrisTrott]

Any airplane with the President in it is designated as the respective service's "One". So if he flies on an Army Helicopter or aircraft, it becomes "ARMY 1", if he's on a Coast Guard aircraft it becomes "COAST GUARD 1", and it even applies to other government agencies like NASA and US Customs. Even though NASA, the Coast Guard, and US Customs all have a plane already designated as their "One" bird.

[Guest P3_Super_Bee]

The most important thing to rememember that the use of this call sign is NOT required. It is used for flight safety, and sometimes using the "fill-in-the-blank ONE" callsign would not be on the best side of safety.Like this particular trip, and if say he was somewhere and needed to be imediatly evacuated, and he hops on his shiny white unmarked VC-37(Gulfstream V) thats hidden off in a hangar at a different airport than the VC-25 is at, I dought seriously that "Air Force One" would be used.Also, since "Air Force One" was not the callsign used on the this trip, answering yes to the BA pilot would be falsifing a callsign.

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[rickalty 0]

As an aside on this, the habit has spread. The actual 747 that was shot down by the Soviet AF as KAL007 was specially equipped with additional radio and nav equipment, and often served as "KAF-1". (Korea does not have a 'dedicated' KAF-1) Capt Chon, in fact, was also a KAFR Colonel who was the 'first choice' pilot of the same plane when it flew as KAF-1. (KAF-1 pilots are almost always reservists, as regular KAF officers don't get much 747 experience)Richard

[Rottenlungs 0]

Good point Super Bee, if he wasn`t using the AF1 callsign then yes, he would be lying if he identified himself as AF1. Presumably though the flight did have a callsign of some description, at least for the international parts of the flight?

[ejoiner 21]

When Bush landed in a Navy S-3 Viking on an aircraft carrier earlier in the year, that aircrafts callsign was indeed "Navy 1". Eric

[Bray 1]

>>At least Bush had the b0110cks to go to Iraq, considering his>usual trick of scampering away to hide at Offutt AFB when the>going gets interesting, although a choreographed chest-puffing>excercise doesn`t really let him get to see how much the>average "liberated" local hates his guts!>>Oops, politics. Yeh I think he also had the gutts or b011ocks, to join the army when it was his turn ooops more politics :-)