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I decided to just do a comparison of the default Cessna's flight models, I set both planes to their maximum weight of 2550lbs, both trimmed for take off, full throttle no elevator input. I only used Aileron & Rudder to keep the wings level.Both take offs from Wolverhampton City Airport, commonly known has Half Penny Green. Same runway both real world weather same day and time (near enough).Take a look at the results, video is about 4.5 minutes for each plane.

FSX wanted to drop to the left a lot more than X-Plane did, I don't know how realistic that is as I'm not a real world pilot so maybe someone can enlighten me.CheersMartinPS. I think both Flight Sims are great and would prefer it if we kept the discussion to flight model and realism only none of this 'FSX is better' or 'X-Plane is better', cus that is just a waste of time and not at all constructive. Thanks. :(

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I think FSX really over-exaggerates left-turning tendencies, and it doesn't feel real. When I fly real-world single engine props they certainly don't "feel" anywhere near how FSX acts. I imagine that this issue only exists with default planes and Carenado planes, which seem to exhibit that same behavior. I have no comment on X-Plane since I don't use it.


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I think FSX really over-exaggerates left-turning tendencies, and it doesn't feel real. When I fly real-world single engine props they certainly don't "feel" anywhere near how FSX acts. I imagine that this issue only exists with default planes and Carenado planes, which seem to exhibit that same behavior. I have no comment on X-Plane since I don't use it.
Hi AWACSYes I thought the left turn was a bit harsh, I have only had a one hour lesson and that was in a Piper Archer II some years ago now but I don't remember any bad left turn issues so I think X-Plane may be a bit more realistic with that one, however everything else was very close if you watch the video.Thanks for the input.CheersMartin.

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I just finished viewing your video, they are pretty close. It's interesting, because I have every intention of trying XPlane 10 when it's released, and hope it will be able to compete with MS Flight.


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I think FSX really over-exaggerates left-turning tendencies, and it doesn't feel real. When I fly real-world single engine props they certainly don't "feel" anywhere near how FSX acts. I imagine that this issue only exists with default planes and Carenado planes, which seem to exhibit that same behavior. I have no comment on X-Plane since I don't use it.
Does reducing the P-Factor and Torque realism settings in your opinion make it any more realistic? I usually keep mine in the middle. I'm also not a pilot, so I'm not qualified myself to give an opinion on the subject. I do find the X-Plane C-172, more squirly then either FSX or the real world C-172's I've been in.

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I decided to just do a comparison of the default Cessna's flight models, I set both planes to their maximum weight of 2550lbs, both trimmed for take off, full throttle no elevator input. I only used Aileron & Rudder to keep the wings level.Both take offs from Wolverhampton City Airport, commonly known has Half Penny Green. Same runway both real world weather same day and time (near enough).Take a look at the results, video is about 4.5 minutes for each plane.
FSX wanted to drop to the left a lot more than X-Plane did, I don't know how realistic that is as I'm not a real world pilot so maybe someone can enlighten me.CheersMartinPS. I think both Flight Sims are great and would prefer it if we kept the discussion to flight model and realism only none of this 'FSX is better' or 'X-Plane is better', cus that is just a waste of time and not at all constructive. Thanks. :(
I don't see how you start a thread with a comparison of an FSX plane, and X-Plane plane and not expect it to descend to a FSX vs X-Plane thread? Threads like this have inevitably descended into such in the past, this is just dangling the hook!

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Does reducing the P-Factor and Torque realism settings in your opinion make it any more realistic? I usually keep mine in the middle. I'm also not a pilot, so I'm not qualified myself to give an opinion on the subject. I do find the X-Plane C-172, more squirly then either FSX or the real world C-172's I've been in.
That's something I never thought about, haha, good on you for figuring that one out. I just expected that if I turn realism all the way up, I'd be closer to reality, guess that's not the case.

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:( Interesting video !Did both aircraft designers get the same feedback and data when they made test flights and when they fine-tuned their flight models ? Of course, settings may explain what happens: realism options, joystick sensitivity and calibration...I would love to see a similar comparison with add-on planes from the same company. It's possible today since Carenado released the Mooney, the Saratoga, the C152 II and the Archer II for X-Plane.

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I don't see how you start a thread with a comparison of an FSX plane, and X-Plane plane and not expect it to descend to a FSX vs X-Plane thread? Threads like this have inevitably descended into such in the past, this is just dangling the hook!
Pointless post

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Hi AWACSYes I thought the left turn was a bit harsh
That's not an FSX issue, rather an aircraft design issue (the air.cfg file).Cheers,- jahman.

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That's not an FSX issue, rather an aircraft design issue (the air.cfg file).
Well, it was a comparison between the default Cessnas in the two sims.It would be more interesting to see a comparison between addon planes that exist for both sims, where the flight modeling has been given some attention in both cases. I don't have X-Plane, though, so I don't know if two such addon aircraft exist.The problem with the Carenado planes is that some of them have not so great flight models.

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The problem with the Carenado planes is that some of them have not so great flight models.
OK, then we'll have to ask RealAir Simulations to build an add-on for X-Plane !!! :(

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