Hi all, with my recent purchase of the Captain Sim 767 in the £9.99 sale I saw it included an Air France and KLM livery. As far as I know I thought KLM and Air France got rid of theirs. I would like to know why Air France and KLM got rid of their and what advantage the Airbus A330 gives each airline over that of the B767? I did a search on airliners.net but found nothing.Does anybody know?Merry Christmas!Aaron G.

I think the a330 is a bit easier to maintain.

I think the a330 is a bit easier to maintain.

In what way? If you had a fleet of 767s would it not be easier to maintain them than train new staff and pilots on the A330?Aaron G.

If you had a fleet of 767s would it not be easier to maintain them than train new staff and pilots on the A330?

Well, Air France has swapped all planes (except some 747´s) to Airbus, so fot them it´s easier cause all Airbus cockpits look nearly the same and work the same. This means that one pilot can theoreticly fly an all Airbus planes, from an A318 to an A380 with minor training.

Bigger, better, less expensive aircraft options. It's that simple. All of these aircraft are leased anyway.

The what about KLM? They fly the 777, 747 and the 737 so why did they scrap the 767s?Aaron G.

Government. It's a Socialist nation.

Government. It's a Socialist nation.

Do EU airlines get 'perks' if they buy Airbus?Aaron G.

It's a French airline and a French aircraft manufacture there will be some dealings there.

It's a French airline and a French aircraft manufacture there will be some dealings there.

Do the A330s have a better cost per mile? Also what is the future of the Qantus 767s?Aaron G.

Airbuses are cheap cheap cheap. It's a known fact. They're relatively inexpensive to produce and relatively cheap to maintain. That's where their popularity is. Plus, as Chris mentioned, Air France and Airbus are in bed with each other.We're talking about an aircraft that was designed to be inexpensive and an easy transition for lower time pilots.

Airbuses are cheap cheap cheap. It's a known fact. They're relatively inexpensive to produce and relatively cheap to maintain. That's where their popularity is. Plus, as Chris mentioned, Air France and Airbus are in bed with each other.We're talking about an aircraft that was designed to be inexpensive and an easy transition for lower time pilots.

Ah, ok, thanks for explaining it.Merry Christmas!!Aaron G.

Hi guys,I wouldn't want to sound offensive (especially on Xmas day) but some of the comments in this thread are ... surprisingHere is the answer, or at least part of the answer, as far as I know- for KLM : I don't know- for Air France. In the early 1990's AF bought another French company named UTA, whose subsidiary Aéromaritime owned 767s, and that's how AF inherited their first 767s (before buying or leasing a few more but AF never operated more than 9 767s (check Wikipedia))For the record, the vast majority of the AF's long haul fleet is made of Boeings (777-200ERs and 777-300ERs). At the time AF got the 767s, they had already chosen the 777 to replace their 747s (and the A340 for part of their long haul lines - see below). Then they decided to buy A330s but, like the A340s, these planes are used only on a small part of the long haul network (low density lines, or new lines with relatively low passenger traffic etc.).The 767s probably went away because they didn't fit in the airplane mix the company wanted to operate (two of the guys in my flying club flew the 767, one as a captain and the other as a FO, they both liked the plane very much).Hope this helps,Bruno

Hi guys,I wouldn't want to sound offensive (especially on Xmas day) but some of the comments in this thread are ... surprisingHere is the answer, or at least part of the answer, as far as I know- for KLM : I don't know- for Air France. In the early 1990's AF bought another French company named UTA, whose subsidiary Aéromaritime owned 767s, and that's how AF inherited their first 767s (before buying or leasing a few more but AF never operated more than 9 767s (check Wikipedia))For the record, the vast majority of the AF's long haul fleet is made of Boeings (777-200ERs and 777-300ERs). At the time AF got the 767s, they had already chosen the 777 to replace their 747s (and the A340 for part of their long haul lines - see below). Then they decided to buy A330s but, like the A340s, these planes are used only on a small part of the long haul network (low density lines, or new lines with relatively low passenger traffic etc.).The 767s probably went away because they didn't fit in the airplane mix the company wanted to operate (two of the guys in my flying club flew the 767, one as a captain and the other as a FO, they both liked the plane very much).Hope this helps,Bruno

Thank you. Things are much clearer now. Merry Christmas!Aaron G.

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